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Actually the fight was made in AC on purpose so it wasn't a fight home for Ward. If they wanted to make it a home fight for Ward it would have been Oakland, which would have made more sense from a financial standpoint. The promoters wanted to be as fair as possible though.

To answer your question, no, neither is the home fighter, it's neutral, like I've been saying.

dajuggernaut wrote:Actually the fight was made in AC on purpose so it wasn't a fight home for Ward. If they wanted to make it a home fight for Ward it would have been Oakland, which would have made more sense from a financial standpoint. The promoters wanted to be as fair as possible though.

To answer your question, no, neither is the home fighter, it's neutral, like I've been saying.

Do you consider Froch-Kessler II neutral?

SNG wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote:Actually the fight was made in AC on purpose so it wasn't a fight home for Ward. If they wanted to make it a home fight for Ward it would have been Oakland, which would have made more sense from a financial standpoint. The promoters wanted to be as fair as possible though.

To answer your question, no, neither is the home fighter, it's neutral, like I've been saying.

Do you consider Froch-Kessler II neutral?

No. There was an obvious preference to one fighter that you didn't see in Ward/Froch.

dajuggernaut wrote: No. There was an obvious preference to one fighter that you didn't see in Ward/Froch.

So there were even Froch-Ward fans in AC?

This is absurd. Any fighter fighting a foreign fighter in his own country is the home fighter, he may not be fighting in his hometown but he is still the home fighter, it's his country. Froch would have had to get visas to be able to fight Ward and cross international borders, Ward had to do neither.

SNG wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote: No. There was an obvious preference to one fighter that you didn't see in Ward/Froch.

So there were even Froch-Ward fans in AC?

This is absurd. Any fighter fighting a foreign fighter in his own country is the home fighter, he may not be fighting in his hometown but he is still the home fighter, it's his country. Froch would have had to get visas to be able to fight Ward and cross international borders, Ward had to do neither.

Couldn't say for sure, I wasn't there and didn't take a survey.

I don't know why you would ask a question that's pretty much impossible for me to answer.

dajuggernaut wrote:

SNG wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote: No. There was an obvious preference to one fighter that you didn't see in Ward/Froch.

So there were even Froch-Ward fans in AC?

This is absurd. Any fighter fighting a foreign fighter in his own country is the home fighter, he may not be fighting in his hometown but he is still the home fighter, it's his country. Froch would have had to get visas to be able to fight Ward and cross international borders, Ward had to do neither.

Couldn't say for sure, I wasn't there and didn't take a survey.

I don't know why you would ask a question that's pretty much impossible for me to answer.

Well done for ignoring the rest of my post, I obviously didn't expect you to be able to answer the question precisely, but it's more than reasonable to assume Ward had more fans there than the few hundred who followed Froch over, wouldn't you say?

You asked a question. I answered the question.

I ignored it because it's non-sense. Form it as a question if you want it responded to.

Couldn't say for sure. I wouldn't assume.

dajuggernaut wrote:You asked a question. I answered the question.

I ignored it because it's non-sense. Form it as a question if you want it responded to.

Couldn't say for sure. I wouldn't assume.

Still playing silly cunts I see, will you ever actually grow up?

The statement makes perfect sense, you have no response to it because you know that I'm right.

Form is as a question. There's a lot of drivel in your post. I'll respond to any question, boxing related at least.

dajuggernaut wrote:Form is as a question. There's a lot of drivel in your post. I'll respond to any question, boxing related at least.

Form is as a question? What does that even mean?

You said I ignored something, if you want it responded to put it as a question and I'll answer it. I don't feel the need to respond to every single statement, but I'll answer a question.

Like your poor attempt with the Canadian/Cali fighters fighting in NY question. You thought you were throwing a curveball there.

dajuggernaut wrote:You said I ignored something, if you want it responded to put it as a question and I'll answer it. I don't feel the need to respond to every single statement, but I'll answer a question.

Like your poor attempt with the Canadian/Cali fighters fighting in NY question. You thought you were throwing a curveball there.

Poor attempt? What was wrong with the question? It made perfect sense, any reasonable person would only consider one as the home fighter, do I need to point out which? I shouldn't need to form something as a question to get a response to it, you didn't respond to it because you have no sensible response to it. Carl Froch would have had to apply for visas and cross international borders to fight Ward, Ward had to do neither.

Emil wrote:

Tanzio wrote: England is smaller than many states in the USA. Ward fighting on the east coast of the USA is more similar to Froch fighting in Athens or the eastern Ukraine. And that is a better comparison, European Union to USA, because the people of the USA are very different from coast to coast and north to south.

That said, I would like to see Ward go to England and kick Froch's ass.

So you are saying that people in the US living on different coasts are more different that an a brit and a ukrainian???
Do they speak different languages, having different cultures on the west coast compared to the east coats and most important are they not americans??

SNG wrote:
You think people in the USA from east to west, north to south coasts are different enough to compare to the difference in culture and language between England and the Ukraine or Greece? Seriously?

Butterbean wrote:

Emil wrote:
So you are saying that people in the US living on different coasts are more different that an a brit and a ukrainian???
Do they speak different languages, having different cultures on the west coast compared to the east coats and most important are they not americans??

Dont argue with thhese guys about ward and geografi. Its a lost cause. They know nothing about anything outside their own borders has no ability to compare things like this.

So typical. Euro-centrics, from various points in the European Union, arguing on the same side of an issue, claiming that the USA is some sort of homogeneous zone, while trundling out the "ignorant, nationalistic American" argument.

First of all, I have been to every location that I have discussed in this thread, and I have resided for months, and in multiple cases years, in a few of them. Your unified position on this subject suggests that your Euro-centrism blinds you to your prejudice, and ignorance, towards all things American. There are more diverse cultures residing in my neighborhood than most of you are as familiar with as I am with United Kingdom, Greek, and Ukrainian culture, let alone those of the USA.

The USA is home to nearly every culture on Earth, ruled by the umbrella of laws contained in the Constitution of the United States of America. In that constitution, states rights are institutionalized. The differences from state to state are significant, legally, culturally, and socially. Within each of those states multiple cultures exist side by side. Different areas (northeast, southeast, midwest, southwest, northwest, Texas, California, Alaska) have significantly different laws, and culture. In the case of California alone, the differences between north and south are at least as significant as those between areas in England.

The accusation that citizens of the United States of America are more nationalistic and patriotic than any in the Western Hemisphere is as laughable as the opinion that the USA is a homogeneous zone. Anyone taking that stance has never been to (or is a citizen of) Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Columbia, Venezuela, etc.

As I write this, my Russian wife is having a discussion with her best friend in Ukrainian, and my stepson is disciplining my grandson in Russian, while we watch a tape of the Bruins vs Rangers. All are USA citizens, but if a Russian is fighting an American they are squarely on the Russian's side, including international team events. I have Georgian (the country not the state), Ukrainian, Mexican, Panamanian, Japanese, Thai, Chinese, Croatian, and Canadian cultures represented within 5 minutes of my home, that I know of. Some have become citizens, others just have green cards, but all speak their native language and are proud of their cultures, and generally cheer for those of similar culture.

The point is that Atlantic City is not close to a hometown environment for Ward. Is it as foreign as the Ukraine is to England? Of course not. Is it considerably more foreign than Nottingham is from London? Certainly.

I repeat, I hope that Ward goes to England and shuts Froch's and all of you oblivious Euro-centrics up for good.

Btw, Wards harshest critics reside in that place you perceive as so homogeneous.

Yes, poor attempt, and it was flimsy question, that's putting it nicely.

Tanzio wrote:

Emil wrote:

Tanzio wrote: England is smaller than many states in the USA. Ward fighting on the east coast of the USA is more similar to Froch fighting in Athens or the eastern Ukraine. And that is a better comparison, European Union to USA, because the people of the USA are very different from coast to coast and north to south.

That said, I would like to see Ward go to England and kick Froch's ass.

So you are saying that people in the US living on different coasts are more different that an a brit and a ukrainian???
Do they speak different languages, having different cultures on the west coast compared to the east coats and most important are they not americans??

SNG wrote:
You think people in the USA from east to west, north to south coasts are different enough to compare to the difference in culture and language between England and the Ukraine or Greece? Seriously?

Butterbean wrote:

Emil wrote:
So you are saying that people in the US living on different coasts are more different that an a brit and a ukrainian???
Do they speak different languages, having different cultures on the west coast compared to the east coats and most important are they not americans??

Dont argue with thhese guys about ward and geografi. Its a lost cause. They know nothing about anything outside their own borders has no ability to compare things like this.

So typical. Euro-centrics, from various points in the European Union, arguing on the same side of an issue, claiming that the USA is some sort of homogeneous zone, while trundling out the "ignorant, nationalistic American" argument.

First of all, I have been to every location that I have discussed in this thread, and I have resided for months, and in multiple cases years, in a few of them. Your unified position on this subject suggests that your Euro-centrism blinds you to your prejudice, and ignorance, towards all things American. There are more diverse cultures residing in my neighborhood than most of you are as familiar with as I am with United Kingdom, Greek, and Ukrainian culture, let alone those of the USA.

The USA is home to nearly every culture on Earth, ruled by the umbrella of laws contained in the Constitution of the United States of America. In that constitution, states rights are institutionalized. The differences from state to state are significant, legally, culturally, and socially. Within each of those states multiple cultures exist side by side. Different areas (northeast, southeast, midwest, southwest, northwest, Texas, California, Alaska) have significantly different laws, and culture. In the case of California alone, the differences between north and south are at least as significant as those between areas in England.

The accusation that citizens of the United States of America are more nationalistic and patriotic than any in the Western Hemisphere is as laughable as the opinion that the USA is a homogeneous zone. Anyone taking that stance has never been to (or is a citizen of) Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Columbia, Venezuela, etc.

As I write this, my Russian wife is having a discussion with her best friend in Ukrainian, and my stepson is disciplining my grandson in Russian, while we watch a tape of the Bruins vs Rangers. All are USA citizens, but if a Russian is fighting an American they are squarely on the Russian's side, including international team events. I have Georgian (the country not the state), Ukrainian, Mexican, Panamanian, Japanese, Thai, Chinese, Croatian, and Canadian cultures represented within 5 minutes of my home, that I know of. Some have become citizens, others just have green cards, but all speak their native language and are proud of their cultures, and generally cheer for those of similar culture.

The point is that Atlantic City is not close to a hometown environment for Ward. Is it as foreign as the Ukraine is to England? Of course not. Is it considerably more foreign than Nottingham is from London? Certainly.

I repeat, I hope that Ward goes to England and shuts Froch's and all of you oblivious Euro-centrics up for good.

Btw, Wards harshest critics reside in that place you perceive as so homogeneous.

hell of a post.

Don't expect much of a response back though.

Tanzio wrote:Is it as foreign as the Ukraine is to England? Of course not.

I don't know why you included me in that rant, I never said any of the things you accused me of so I'll just reply to the part that applies to me.

I agree. I don't consider AC to be his hometown, but when fighting a foreign fighter in his own country he should rightly be considered the home fighter, the distance traveled has no bearing on any of this.

DetroitHxC wrote:We understand geography just fine, you seem to fail to comprehend that we are the United States of America, meaning each state is like it's own seperate country. We are bound by our language, but I am surely not gonna root for some guy from Oakland just because he lives in the same country as me.

If the guy was from Ohio I would be more likely to hate him.

Most of us aren't too different from your average Canadian, but it's still a different country.

Fighting 150 miles away from anyone's hometown in England is probably as big of a hometown advantage as you can possibly get on this planet within that distance.

Why in the fvck would the guy that beat Froch come to his hometown for the rematch when said guy is still undefeated and on top of the division (and arguably on top of boxing)?

You always manage to get a shot in at Ohio.

I agree with the substance of your post, though, regarding Ward and there being no reason he should fight Froch in England.

SNG wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote:You said I ignored something, if you want it responded to put it as a question and I'll answer it. I don't feel the need to respond to every single statement, but I'll answer a question.

Like your poor attempt with the Canadian/Cali fighters fighting in NY question. You thought you were throwing a curveball there.

Poor attempt? What was wrong with the question? It made perfect sense, any reasonable person would only consider one as the home fighter, do I need to point out which? I shouldn't need to form something as a question to get a response to it, you didn't respond to it because you have no sensible response to it. Carl Froch would have had to apply for visas and cross international borders to fight Ward, Ward had to do neither.

A visa necessary from the United Kingdom to the USA? Not so much.

Tanzio wrote:

SNG wrote:

dajuggernaut wrote:You said I ignored something, if you want it responded to put it as a question and I'll answer it. I don't feel the need to respond to every single statement, but I'll answer a question.

Like your poor attempt with the Canadian/Cali fighters fighting in NY question. You thought you were throwing a curveball there.

Poor attempt? What was wrong with the question? It made perfect sense, any reasonable person would only consider one as the home fighter, do I need to point out which? I shouldn't need to form something as a question to get a response to it, you didn't respond to it because you have no sensible response to it. Carl Froch would have had to apply for visas and cross international borders to fight Ward, Ward had to do neither.

A visa necessary from the United Kingdom to the USA? Not so much.

Of course he would, he is working not on holiday.

dajuggernaut wrote:One hell of a trip home, wonder if he took a cab.

sucracristo wrote:

JCS wrote:

sucracristo wrote:115-113 sounded about right to me.
118-110?!?! get lost

I think YOU were lost most of the way.. having Kessler ahead..

the thread is still right here. i did not have kessler ahead most of the way.
i didn't have kessler winning at the end, either
one of the judges had it 115-113. another had 116-112. there were a few
close rounds. i said that. you, sir, are a little excited and emotional

I didn't say you had Kessler ahead most of the fight.. I said you were lost most of the fight.. which is how you could have Kessler ahead late in the fight.

I don't see how you could have Kessler ahead at any point, unless you think he won the 1st or something..

SNG wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

SNG wrote:
Poor attempt? What was wrong with the question? It made perfect sense, any reasonable person would only consider one as the home fighter, do I need to point out which? I shouldn't need to form something as a question to get a response to it, you didn't respond to it because you have no sensible response to it. Carl Froch would have had to apply for visas and cross international borders to fight Ward, Ward had to do neither.

A visa necessary from the United Kingdom to the USA? Not so much.

Of course he would, he is working not on holiday.

Not if he is a citizen of the United Kingdom, has a valid passport, and is planning on staying for less than 90 days, in the vast majority of cases.

That is the problem with Euro-centrics; you assume you know more than others.

Tanzio wrote: Not if he is a citizen of the United Kingdom, has a valid passport, and is planning on staying for less than 90 days, in the vast majority of cases.

That is the problem with Euro-centrics; you assume you know more than others.

Khan was stuck in Canada with visa problems prior to fighting Mallignaggi, Martin Murray had a fight against JCCjr fall through because he couldn't secure a visa to fight in the US.

I wonder what happens when the USA team take part in the Olympics.

L.C wrote:I wonder what happens when the USA team take part in the Olympics.

Pretty much the same thing as what happens with any other team. In fact, at home, huge swaths of people in the USA would be cheering for their home country teams: Mexicans, Russians, etc.