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ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Mr.That One,


Did Cassius Clay make habit of 'ducking' White Fighters..........

I think he went out of his way to be with 'White Guys'.............

1964 thru 1967 Reign

* Floyd Patterson
* George Chuvalo
* Brian London
* Henry Cooper
* Karl Mildenberger

or 'Old Black Guys'

* Sonny Liston {x2}
* Cleveland Williams
* Zora Folley

* Only Ernie Terrell was a capable opponent, a 'superior mediocre' fighter.

Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

Il Duce wrote:Yes, Mr. Klompton,,,,,,,,,

Jack Dempsey was a 'Bum'.....a third-rate fighter.

And he never fought on Television, because he couldn't pull in any Ratings........

The TV Sport Network Heads said he was.........'Box Office Poison'.........

Get me some .....D-Con........For-Gone

Like I said,,,,,,,You can be famous too,......all you have to do is sacrifice class.

Il Duce wrote:Yes, Mr. Klompton,,,,,,,,,

Jack Dempsey was a 'Bum'.....a third-rate fighter.

And he never fought on Television, because he couldn't pull in any Ratings........

The TV Sport Network Heads said he was.........'Box Office Poison'.........

Get me some .....D-Con........For-Gone

Like I said,,,,,,,You can be famous too,......all you have to do is sacrifice class.

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Yes, Mr. Klompton,,,,,,,,,

Jack Dempsey was a 'Bum'.....a third-rate fighter.

And he never fought on Television, because he couldn't pull in any Ratings........

The TV Sport Network Heads said he was.........'Box Office Poison'.........

Get me some .....D-Con........For-Gone

Like I said,,,,,,,You can be famous too,......all you have to do is sacrifice class.

What's less classier?


Doing a cheesy commercial


or


pimping out your wife?

klompton wrote:Instead Dempsey hawked a snake oil called Nuxated Iron and later cat food... stay classy Dempsey.

Yet another hypocrisy.

Kind of like your love of a draft dodger like Dempsey while denigrating Ali for the same. Or your love of Dempsey, whose relationship with professional wrestling lasted longer than his association with boxing and included mixed matches and farces, yet denigrate Ali for Inoki...

klompton wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Yes, Mr. Klompton,,,,,,,,,

Jack Dempsey was a 'Bum'.....a third-rate fighter.

And he never fought on Television, because he couldn't pull in any Ratings........

The TV Sport Network Heads said he was.........'Box Office Poison'.........

Get me some .....D-Con........For-Gone

Like I said,,,,,,,You can be famous too,......all you have to do is sacrifice class.

What's less classier?


Doing a cheesy commercial


or


pimping out your wife?

Lets not forget he supposedly acted as a stud to break young whores as well and broke his wife Maxine's jaw. Since Douche likes to quote ex wives about Ali maybe we should quote old Maxine on Dempsey... she had all kinds of interesting things to say about Jack.

ThatOne wrote:

klompton wrote:Instead Dempsey hawked a snake oil called Nuxated Iron and later cat food... stay classy Dempsey.

Yet another hypocrisy.

Kind of like your love of a draft dodger like Dempsey while denigrating Ali for the same. Or your love of Dempsey, whose relationship with professional wrestling lasted longer than his association with boxing and included mixed matches and farces, yet denigrate Ali for Inoki...

Yep.

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ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Mr.That One,


Did Cassius Clay make habit of 'ducking' White Fighters..........

I think he went out of his way to be with 'White Guys'.............

1964 thru 1967 Reign

* Floyd Patterson
* George Chuvalo
* Brian London
* Henry Cooper
* Karl Mildenberger

or 'Old Black Guys'

* Sonny Liston {x2}
* Cleveland Williams
* Zora Folley

* Only Ernie Terrell was a capable opponent, a 'superior mediocre' fighter.

Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Mr.That One,


Did Cassius Clay make habit of 'ducking' White Fighters..........

I think he went out of his way to be with 'White Guys'.............

1964 thru 1967 Reign

* Floyd Patterson
* George Chuvalo
* Brian London
* Henry Cooper
* Karl Mildenberger

or 'Old Black Guys'

* Sonny Liston {x2}
* Cleveland Williams
* Zora Folley

* Only Ernie Terrell was a capable opponent, a 'superior mediocre' fighter.

Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

LOL, you're letting emotions get the best of you now. The wreck of Cleveland Williams that Ali fought would be lucky to be alive if he fought Dempsey.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Mr.That One,


Did Cassius Clay make habit of 'ducking' White Fighters..........

I think he went out of his way to be with 'White Guys'.............

1964 thru 1967 Reign

* Floyd Patterson
* George Chuvalo
* Brian London
* Henry Cooper
* Karl Mildenberger

or 'Old Black Guys'

* Sonny Liston {x2}
* Cleveland Williams
* Zora Folley

* Only Ernie Terrell was a capable opponent, a 'superior mediocre' fighter.

Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

LOL, you're letting emotions get the best of you now. The wreck of Cleveland Williams that Ali fought would be lucky to be alive if he fought Dempsey.

klompton wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ThatOne wrote:
Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

LOL, you're letting emotions get the best of you now. The wreck of Cleveland Williams that Ali fought would be lucky to be alive if he fought Dempsey.

Miske lived... and he was a smaller dying wreck of the fighter he once had been than Williams. He even managed to last longer against Dempsey than Williams did against Ali...

ThatOne wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ThatOne wrote:
Every one of them would be favorites or live dogs against Dempsey.

LOL, you're letting emotions get the best of you now. The wreck of Cleveland Williams that Ali fought would be lucky to be alive if he fought Dempsey.

I was using hyperbole against an opponent who wrote that Sam langford who died in 1956 sparred with Muhammad Ali eight years later.

Il Duce wrote:Destroys Cassius Clay in 2-Rounds, maybe even in 1-Round {Remember - Kent Green}

And Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,,,Jack tortures and humiliates him with a brutal onslaught
that Ali has never seen before, with the bout being stopped by a TKO 10. {Remember - Larry Holmes}

Il Duce wrote:Isn't Odd,

I'm asked to post my Top Heavyweights,,,,,,,,,

I do, and put up a pretty good list,,,,,,,And I get criticized, yet no one has the 'Balls'
to post their own list.

Absolutely no one, including the 'self-proclaimed' Kid Harmless........Mr. Klompton

That One..........Nothing,,,,,,, just pictures of Muhammad Ali shaking hands with dignitaries
Gilgamesh........Nothing,,,,,,, just empty hollow posts.
Keith Moon.......Nothng,,,,,,,, only a long uninspiring Drum Solo

Let me guess, who puts whom at #1.............

Il Duce wrote:Isn't Odd,

I'm asked to post my Top Heavyweights,,,,,,,,,

I do, and put up a pretty good list,,,,,,,And I get criticized, yet no one has the 'Balls'
to post their own list.

Absolutely no one, including the 'self-proclaimed' Kid Harmless........Mr. Klompton

That One..........Nothing,,,,,,, just pictures of Muhammad Ali shaking hands with dignitaries
Gilgamesh........Nothing,,,,,,, just empty hollow posts.
Keith Moon.......Nothng,,,,,,,, only a long uninspiring Drum Solo

Let me guess, who puts whom at #1.............

Il Duce wrote:Mr. Evren B.

It's not that hard if you cap it off at 1985 and earlier, and take the period of
each fighter's era and add the {fighting style of the days} into the equation.

For instance, Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali and his style would have 'not' been
welcomed in the 1910's and early-1920's.

It was more of a 'slam-bang' drag 'em out style.

But, since Jack was 'The Man' first, he gets the Top Slot.

1} Muhammad Ali loses points, for getting beat up by 'little' and 'raw-styled' Joe Frazier in the most important 'Fight of the Century'.

2} The 'Rumble in the Jungle' was more of George Foreman losing, than Muhammad Ali winning.........

3} Very bad performance's against Chuck Wepner, Ron Lyle, and Joe Bugner in 1975......

4} Was saved by a 'courageous effort' in the 'Manila Bout'' against a completely worn-out Joe Frazier.

5} A 'gift decision' over Kenny Norton in September 1976.

6} The 'horrible' effort and losing one in that, against 'pitty-pat' Jimmy Young in 1977.

7} Not sure what was going on in the bout with '16-Bout Pro' Alfredo Evangelista ..'Uruguayan' Heavyweight...

8} Losing to a '7-Bout Pro'.......Leon Spinks

9} Winning a 'close' {Peck, Jab and Hold} Decision over a 'confused' and on the verge of a nervous breakdown Leon Spinks in the rematch.

10} Selling the WBA Championship Belt for $400,000

11} Getting embarrassed, and not even trying to win against Larry Holmes. {100% Money Grab}

12} Pathetically out-of-shape against Trevor Berbick. Gave an effort in only 3-Rounds.

evrenb wrote:While I fully agree Williams was past his best I do think he still had ability...just take a look at his performance against Todd Herring which was one fight prior to the Ali match...he looked pretty awesome in spurts. If you can find a copy of the live footage....this fight was on the undercard of terrell vs doug jones if i remember correct....

Il Duce wrote:Mr. Evren B.

It's not that hard if you cap it off at 1985 and earlier, and take the period of
each fighter's era and add the {fighting style of the days} into the equation.

For instance, Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali and his style would have 'not' been
welcomed in the 1910's and early-1920's.

It was more of a 'slam-bang' drag 'em out style.

But, since Jack was 'The Man' first, he gets the Top Slot.

1} Muhammad Ali loses points, for getting beat up by 'little' and 'raw-styled' Joe Frazier in the most important 'Fight of the Century'.

(Joe was bigger than Dempsey in every muscle category and I never saw his bobbing and weaving style called "raw" by an expert.)

2} The 'Rumble in the Jungle' was more of George Foreman losing, than Muhammad Ali winning.........

(Watch the fight again, Il Manichino, he uses movement in the center of the ring to flummox Foreman and beat him to the punch, then he calmly walks to the ropes to let Foreman work his body until he gets bored and repeats the process....)

3} Very bad performance's against Chuck Wepner, Ron Lyle, and Joe Bugner in 1975...... ( He underestimated Wepner. He fought 61 times . No reasonable person expects a stellar performance every outing)

4} Was saved by a 'courageous effort' in the 'Manila Bout'' against a completely worn-out Joe Frazier. (He won the rubber match against his nemesis)

5} A 'gift decision' over Kenny Norton in September 1976. (Many experts including Budd Schuyler and AP disagree with you. Even UPI only had it 8-7 Norton. BTW, your hero had been retired from boxing for two years at the age of Ali was for that fight after getting schooled by Gene Tunney)

6} The 'horrible' effort and losing one in that, against 'pitty-pat' Jimmy Young in 1977.( He looked bad. BTW, your hero had been retired from boxing for three years at the age of Ali was for that fight after getting schooled by Gene Tunney)

7} Not sure what was going on in the bout with '16-Bout Pro' Alfredo Evangelista ..'Uruguayan' Heavyweight...

8} Losing to a '7-Bout Pro'.......Leon Spinks ( He was thirty six years old, in the early stages of Parkinson's Disease.BTW, your hero had been retired from boxing for four years at the age of Ali was for that fight after getting schooled by Gene Tunney

9} Winning a 'close' {Peck, Jab and Hold} Decision over a 'confused' and on the verge of a nervous breakdown Leon Spinks in the rematch. (See above)

10} Selling the WBA Championship Belt for $400,000, (He got paid to relinquish his belt after his retirement)

11} Getting embarrassed, and not even trying to win against Larry Holmes. {100% Money Grab} ( He needed the money and was literally a sick man. There's footage of him prior to the fight slurring his words and struggling with the speed bag. BTW, your hero had been retired from boxing for six years at age of Ali was for that fight after getting schooled by Gene Tunney>)

12} Pathetically out-of-shape against Trevor Berbick. Gave an effort in only 3-Rounds.

p4p1 wrote:Gotta say I am learning a fair bit about Jack Dempsey in this thread.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

evrenb wrote:While I fully agree Williams was past his best I do think he still had ability...just take a look at his performance against Todd Herring which was one fight prior to the Ali match...he looked pretty awesome in spurts. If you can find a copy of the live footage....this fight was on the undercard of terrell vs doug jones if i remember correct....

I've never heard of Todd Herring, so I'll have to take your word for it. He was a corpse against Ali, who was obviously on point. He just has too many great wins and performances for sooooooooo many to call his greatest night beating on a human heavy bag.

Adamj1987 wrote:i['ve read dempsey reffed pro wrestling bouts and rocky marceiano appearing at pro wrestling bouts as well