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Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 04:48
by Jack 1000
Views are split on whether or not the decision in Quillin-Lee was fair or not.
I had it wide for Quillin. Newsday had Peter up 116-110, which I thought was a more realistic score than what the judges had.
Jack
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 04:48
by Ian1973
Jack 1000 wrote:I disagree on Quillin-Lee big time:
Neither was a whirlwind in there, but I thought Peter pretty much dominated the fight. Lee was given rounds for courage and perhaps the judges punished Quillin for not making weight. Not making weight is a sore spot among boxing officials. But for the life of me, I thought Lee only took maybe 2-4 rounds. What did Lee do other than show courage and score a shock KD that made this fight so close? Peter was clearly robbed. Many times, I don't agree with punchstats, but they seemed to show Peter's dominating the fight in what little action there was. I also think the judges, from Italy, Connecticut, and not sure, but I think New York bent over backwards to avoid hometown advantage for Quillin. Who would want to protect Andy Lee? It's not like he was fighting in Ireland. Terrible call.
Jack
Can't agree.
I could counter argue, apart from two knockdowns (one dodgy) what did Quillin do to win the fight?
I don't think Andy Lee helped himself. He should've concentrated on moving ante clockwise away from Quillin's right hand but he didn't do that. Despite that he outsmarted / outworked Quillin from around round six onwards. On the other hand Quillin didn't help himself by lack of work rate and he should've capitalised more on Lee's inability to take his power.
Bottom line Golovkin smashes the pair of them.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 04:50
by Ian1973
Jack 1000 wrote:Views are split on whether or not the decision in Quillin-Lee was fair or not.
I had it wide for Quillin. Newsday had Peter up 116-110, which I thought was a more realistic score than what the judges had.
Jack
Not being funny but I think that is truly insane. I can take any fighter winning by a point or two but 116 - 110? That is someone that doesn't know what they are scoring. It's an embarrassing scorecard.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 06:17
by The Burner
Ian1973 wrote:Jack 1000 wrote:Views are split on whether or not the decision in Quillin-Lee was fair or not.
I had it wide for Quillin. Newsday had Peter up 116-110, which I thought was a more realistic score than what the judges had.
Jack
Not being funny but I think that is truly insane. I can take any fighter winning by a point or two but 116 - 110? That is someone that doesn't know what they are scoring. It's an embarrassing scorecard.
Dan rafael had it that way aswell. Madness. Close fight. I had quillin by one at the finish but as most of you have said wouldn't argue with the decision. Think Lee gets a bit too much stick on here from people. Yes he is no Golovkin but he great to watch because he always looks like he is a second away from being knock out yet on the other hand can turn the fight on its head with that right hook.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 07:00
by Blodhemn
kidbazooka1 wrote:Blodhemn wrote:Anybody still think Quillin is ahead of the non GGG pack? Always had Geale beating him, no doubt about it.
The way Quillin looked against Lee you can say any top 30 mw should beat him but he is a lot more capable than that.
What about the way he looked against Rosado? He's clearly not capable of much more than that.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 08:12
by handsofstone
I had it 113-112 Lee but kinda feel that Quillin let himself down by letting Andy take rounds on workrate,Peter didn't look gassed but he fought like it
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 08:13
by Tony1244
Did I have a bad buzz or was this a really boring fight?
It seemed as though both guys went for long periods of time without throwing punches.
Wonder if anyone else had the same observation.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 08:15
by handsofstone
Tony1244 wrote:Did I have a bad buzz or was this a really boring fight?
It seemed as though both guys went for long periods of time without throwing punches.
Wonder if anyone else had the same observation.
I said something similar in another thread,intriguing fight but cagey
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 08:41
by Tony1244
Kootenay47 wrote:Odd how few punches have been thrown this fight
Thank You ! I was yelling @ the TV, Throw some Freaking Punches !
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 09:31
by palooka
Tony1244 wrote:Kootenay47 wrote:Odd how few punches have been thrown this fight
Thank You ! I was yelling @ the TV, Throw some Freaking Punches !
They both seemed nervous of the others power and waited and waited until the last 30 seconds of each round when they'd both throw.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 09:48
by Calamity James
palooka wrote:Tony1244 wrote:Kootenay47 wrote:Odd how few punches have been thrown this fight
Thank You ! I was yelling @ the TV, Throw some Freaking Punches !
They both seemed nervous of the others power and waited and waited until the last 30 seconds of each round when they'd both throw.
Don't forget the memorable round 4 when they both forgot what they where supposed to do in the last 30 seconds!! I think they threw about 4 punches between the two of them in that round!!
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 09:52
by palooka
2 cagey boxers, I wonder if Quillan will move to super middle?
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 10:28
by ikorolev
Blodhemn wrote:kidbazooka1 wrote:Blodhemn wrote:Anybody still think Quillin is ahead of the non GGG pack? Always had Geale beating him, no doubt about it.
The way Quillin looked against Lee you can say any top 30 mw should beat him but he is a lot more capable than that.
What about the way he looked against Rosado? He's clearly not capable of much more than that.
Quillin is still top 10, but he belongs to the group which is distance behind GGG and not close to GGG as some thought before. He will definitely beat Cotto. I think Lee has good chances against Cotto too.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 10:35
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
Ian1973 wrote:The Insider wrote:Are there such things as 9-9 rounds in the USA? There aren't in the UK. If a round is drawn its a 10-10. Hence the ten point must system.
I score rounds 9-9 if that helps.
The third round (from memory) when Quillin scored that dodgy, stepped on foot knockdown I scored 9-9 as Lee dominated the round with the exception of that one incident.
The insider is right, it's a ten point must system meaning ten points must be awarded to at least one of the fighters per round.
Making the third 10-9 for PQ and the last round even I had Quillin up by one point at the end, so I've no complaints about the scoring.
I've never been that high of Quillin but does anyone else think that the weight making problems affected him the ring? He looked pretty dry in there and the way he tired late in a low-output kind of fight (though high-stress I suppose) suggested that he'd left too much of himself in the gym (and sauna). What are his plans going forward? Is he going up to 168?
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 15:45
by Blodhemn
ikorolev wrote:
Quillin is still top 10, but he belongs to the group which is distance behind GGG and not close to GGG as some thought before. He will definitely beat Cotto. I think Lee has good chances against Cotto too.
Yeah, top 10, if he can make the weight. Kid Choc trying a little too hard to be Cuban.
Neither see round 4 vs GGG.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 15:55
by DieHard24
116-110…means they gave lee only 3 rounds..lmaoooo…i thought lee won 7 rounds.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 17:20
by SenorPipino
Had Quillan ahead by 3 points but he got what he deserved.
Maybe the year layoff had some effect, but the guy didn't look anything like the Quillan I've seen previously.
He spent long periods in most rounds simply studying Lee.
Throw some damn punches.
Maybe Quillan was hurt early by a punch few of us saw and became overly cautious. Or maybe he fell into the trap that happens to many fighters when they score an early knockdown. They begin to look for an opening to land another big punch and forget about setting up that shot and scoring points.
Luckily for Quillan, Lee was no ball of fire either and spent more time showboating than trying to land effective punches.
Still, Quillan appeared to be the winner, but like I said, he got what he deserved.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 17:26
by handsofstone
I had Lee KO7 in the PTBF,I got a bit excited when Andy put him down,its a pity it was late in the round
That was a lovely right Lee tagged Quilin with but he didn't seem hurt
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 17:32
by crusader
Quillin generally waits around without throwing very much--that's part of his style. Maybe inactivity and weight issues contributed to him throwing even fewer punches than normal, but his output seemed to drop following the KD he suffered and it seems to me like he may've also been weary of Lee's power, which is clearly more dangerous than the power of Konency, Rosado, Guerrero, Wright, and co.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 17:36
by ikorolev
Rosado also made him cautious later in the fight after tagging Quillin with a few good ones.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 19:40
by armageto
I had Lee winning 113-112. I thought the judges did a great job in the fight. The knockdown in the 3rd wasn't legit, causing K.C. to get two 10-8 rounds on the cards. Aside from that knockdown, Lee probably wins the round, and then the fight. Kid Chocolate disappoints me more and more every time I see him. He'll probably never fight G3 or Cotto. Hell, he passed on Korobov then thought he could cherry pick with Lee.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 20:22
by diddy
Quillin beat Quillin.
That fight was the epitome of giving rounds away.
I just don't understand it. You would've thought he was fighting Tyson or something. Why was he so damn over cautious? Ridiculous. Was just shaking my head watching the fight. He was hurting Lee constantly with the right hand. Yet was hesitant to throw it. Didn't jab at all. You could literally put an actual monkey in his corner and it would have given him better instruction.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 20:24
by ikorolev
diddy wrote:Quillin beat Quillin.
That fight was the epitome of giving rounds away.
I just don't understand it. You would've thought he was fighting Tyson or something. Why was he so damn over cautious? Ridiculous. Was just shaking my head watching the fight. He was hurting Lee constantly with the right hand. Yet was hesitant to throw it. Didn't jab at all. You could literally put an actual monkey in his corner and it would have given him better instruction.
He doesn't like to get hit hard, which is why he was so cautious. Easy as that.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 20:50
by dempseyfire
ikorolev wrote:dempseyfire wrote:Good fight. No problem with the scores. Those who thought it a clear Quillin win have an issue scoring boxing matches . .Quillin lost practically every round in the latter half of the fight save one. Both fighters were way too inactive, but Lee at least found a rhythm with his height, reach and (shocker) movement as the fight wore on and landed occasional jabs and pot shots. Both fighters practically forgot the jab and simply tried to set up power shots.
Golovkin clearly a level above these two. Heck, Cotto likely is as well.
Nah, Cotto gets killed by both of them.
You must be joking. Cotto is by far the better boxer than both, of them and when he gets hit a good shot won't become a deer in the headlights like Quillin did. Vs Lee Cotto would be way too fast in the exchanges . . .Quillin was too fast as well too but way too tentative. After the knockdown he thought he was in a staring contest and not a boxing match.
Re: Peter Quillin vs Andy Lee
Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 20:54
by dempseyfire
The Burner wrote:Ian1973 wrote:Jack 1000 wrote:Views are split on whether or not the decision in Quillin-Lee was fair or not.
I had it wide for Quillin. Newsday had Peter up 116-110, which I thought was a more realistic score than what the judges had.
Jack
Not being funny but I think that is truly insane. I can take any fighter winning by a point or two but 116 - 110? That is someone that doesn't know what they are scoring. It's an embarrassing scorecard.
Dan rafael had it that way aswell. Madness. Close fight. I had quillin by one at the finish but as most of you have said wouldn't argue with the decision. Think Lee gets a bit too much stick on here from people. Yes he is no Golovkin but he great to watch because he always looks like he is a second away from being knock out yet on the other hand can turn the fight on its head with that right hook.
Rafael is a horrible scorer. He hates "boxers" and will score rounds for basically whoever he thinks landed the one hardest blow in the round . . whatever else happened the other 2:59.