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Sklar wrote:

magwitch wrote:Sorry to go temporarily off topic for a minute but I’ve read today that Fury’s ban has been lifted and he can fight Wlad subject to an INTERIM HEARING in the meantime.
What the hell is it about this sport and the word “interim”? I never ever see it anywhere else. Even the hearings are interim. So presumably, when this “interim hearing” takes place, the fight could still be blown out of the water and from what I can gather it sounds like it will fall on whether some panel believe one set of events or another, related to February 2015. Is that right?

Maybe the right people are just waiting to receive their bungs?

Fxxk me that's funny

For now. We might have an even taller guy come along, with an even bigger stride and the same cadence. Who knows. Definitely though his top speed is higher than anybody elses, but not by much.

Interestingly, just did some reading on a runner forum, Bolt's fastest ever split was 27.9 miles per hour, for a 10 meter split, just ahead of Carl Lewis, who had the second fastest at 27.6, the big difference is that Bolt slows less than everyone else over the last 30, he's not accelerating, everyone else is slowing down more than him.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

SAPFO wrote:Genetics..I know plenty of Jamaicans with a little waist and a big top.

It is certainly true that the Jamaicans were effectively part of a huge captive breeding program for about 2 centuries or more, only the fittest and strongest survived the journey from Africa on the slave ships, (20% routinely did not survive the journey, and the sick were thrown overboard) work in the plantations, and the strongest of those were interbred by the slave masters to produce stronger fitter slaves, and so on. So genetically you definitely have some exceptionally gifted individuals on those islands.

When Don Quarrie won in 1976 he was the first Jamaican to win gold in 24 years and then it took until 1996 for Jamaica to win one more.

In 2008 and 2012 the Jamaicans had a clean sweep in the 100m. Dick Pound (former head of world doping agency) compared Jamaica to the old Soviet Union and East Germany saying "My understanding is that they make sure they're clean before they leave".

In 1976 the jamaicans didnt have the infrastructure to build an athletics program. To attribute their success entirely to doping seems rather simplistic.

Don't they get 20k people at 16 year olds track events over there?

SAPFO wrote:Don't they get 20k people at 16 year olds track events over there?

Yes. They do these days.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:In 1976 the jamaicans didnt have the infrastructure to build an athletics program. To attribute their success entirely to doping seems rather simplistic.

Nobody has done that, but the fact that the Jamaicans chose not to drug-test a single athlete in the 3 months before London 2012 and the ex-head of the world anti-doping agency compares them with the old Soviet and East German regimes cannot be ignored.

BigDoofus wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:In 1976 the jamaicans didnt have the infrastructure to build an athletics program. To attribute their success entirely to doping seems rather simplistic.

Nobody has done that, but the fact that the Jamaicans chose not to drug-test a single athlete in the 3 months before London 2012 and the ex-head of the world anti-doping agency compares them with the old Soviet and East German regimes cannot be ignored.

Yes, agreed, there are some serious questions that have not been answered, the fact the Jamaicans don't have an effective nationwide anti doping program leaves a lot of room for people to cheat.

magwitch wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:Caster Semenya doesn't take drugs but has the natural testerone levels of a bloke.
As she's not breaking the rules she's allowed to run but in theory she's unbeatable because of her dodgy genetics.

She will win the 800m in Rio by about 20 metres.

Yeah but Bolt has won everything he has because of genetics.

In most cases there's two main factors which play into the success of an athlete. Genetics and hard work. The ratios of how much they influence the end product I think depend of what the genetic makeup are saying at the start. Bolt has managed to achieve what he has with something like 90% genetics and 10% hard work. You could argue Johnson was maybe something more like 60% genetics and 40% hard work.

Imagine Bolt was able to match his talent with hard work? The records would never be broken.

10% hard work? You should get yourself along for a fortnight’s training camp with him then..

I'm talking about the contributing factors to his success, not how hard he trains. I'm saying that his genetics are playing 90% towards his success, whereas his application to training is 10%. I'm not saying these values absolutely, I'm just speculating.

A fortnight training camp with Bolt? Not a problem. I competed internationally in double decathlon, and nationally at 400m hurdles and 800m, and can assure you if I could achieve what I did in a 2 week training camp, I would have. Unfortunately because my genetics are not as good as Bolt's, my training camps would be something more like 18 months, training about 11 times per week.

At the highest level, you have a meticulous approach to training. You have an extremely balanced routine, including strength, conditioning, endurance, technique. You need to have an extremely strict sleep pattern and diet, and essentially close yourself out to the world. It is quite publicly known that Bolt does not apply himself as good as he could. He even misses full training sessions, or does not keep to schedule. Watching clips of him throwing up on the side of the track does not paint a full picture. I don't know an athlete that has not thrown up on the side of a track.

There's no doubt at all at his ability, but I'm saying Bolt could have taken the records so much further than he did.

Rob3_142 wrote:

magwitch wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Yeah but Bolt has won everything he has because of genetics.

In most cases there's two main factors which play into the success of an athlete. Genetics and hard work. The ratios of how much they influence the end product I think depend of what the genetic makeup are saying at the start. Bolt has managed to achieve what he has with something like 90% genetics and 10% hard work. You could argue Johnson was maybe something more like 60% genetics and 40% hard work.

Imagine Bolt was able to match his talent with hard work? The records would never be broken.

10% hard work? You should get yourself along for a fortnight’s training camp with him then..

I'm talking about the contributing factors to his success, not how hard he trains. I'm saying that his genetics are playing 90% towards his success, whereas his application to training is 10%. I'm not saying these values absolutely, I'm just speculating.

A fortnight training camp with Bolt? Not a problem. I competed internationally in double decathlon, and nationally at 400m hurdles and 800m, and can assure you if I could achieve what I did in a 2 week training camp, I would have. Unfortunately because my genetics are not as good as Bolt's, my training camps would be something more like 18 months, training about 11 times per week.

At the highest level, you have a meticulous approach to training. You have an extremely balanced routine, including strength, conditioning, endurance, technique. You need to have an extremely strict sleep pattern and diet, and essentially close yourself out to the world. It is quite publicly known that Bolt does not apply himself as good as he could. He even misses full training sessions, or does not keep to schedule. Watching clips of him throwing up on the side of the track does not paint a full picture. I don't know an athlete that has not thrown up on the side of a track.

There's no doubt at all at his ability, but I'm saying Bolt could have taken the records so much further than he did.

I would say the training for 100 meter sprint is probably going to be a lot easier than decathlon, at the end of the day, you're just enhancing speed, that's what the weight training is for, to enable the sprinter to power themselves along that little bit faster. Apparently bolt didn't even start doing any weight training until he was 19, and said that he noticed a marked spike in his performance once he started doing so.

I think that the days of Bolt being lax in training are mainly stories from his youth when he wasn't very dedicated. The fact he likes chicken nuggets is really neither here nor there, I'm sure it's not what he lives on, and when you're as fit as he no doubt is, you can get away with the odd liberty without too much effect, so long as you lay off the booze.

BigDoofus wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:In 1976 the jamaicans didnt have the infrastructure to build an athletics program. To attribute their success entirely to doping seems rather simplistic.

Nobody has done that, but the fact that the Jamaicans chose not to drug-test a single athlete in the 3 months before London 2012 and the ex-head of the world anti-doping agency compares them with the old Soviet and East German regimes cannot be ignored.

Well the majority of the Jamaican anti-doping board resigned in 2013 as WADA declared them 'non-compliant'. The athletes were just not tested enough in Jamaica (one report suggested that there had only been one test between February 2012 and the London Olympics). This is a country that churns world class sprinters out like industry. Is it just lackadaisical? Or is it suspicious? The jury is out!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote: I'm talking about the contributing factors to his success, not how hard he trains. I'm saying that his genetics are playing 90% towards his success, whereas his application to training is 10%. I'm not saying these values absolutely, I'm just speculating.

A fortnight training camp with Bolt? Not a problem. I competed internationally in double decathlon, and nationally at 400m hurdles and 800m, and can assure you if I could achieve what I did in a 2 week training camp, I would have. Unfortunately because my genetics are not as good as Bolt's, my training camps would be something more like 18 months, training about 11 times per week.

At the highest level, you have a meticulous approach to training. You have an extremely balanced routine, including strength, conditioning, endurance, technique. You need to have an extremely strict sleep pattern and diet, and essentially close yourself out to the world. It is quite publicly known that Bolt does not apply himself as good as he could. He even misses full training sessions, or does not keep to schedule. Watching clips of him throwing up on the side of the track does not paint a full picture. I don't know an athlete that has not thrown up on the side of a track.

There's no doubt at all at his ability, but I'm saying Bolt could have taken the records so much further than he did.

I would say the training for 100 meter sprint is probably going to be a lot easier than decathlon, at the end of the day, you're just enhancing speed, that's what the weight training is for, to enable the sprinter to power themselves along that little bit faster. Apparently bolt didn't even start doing any weight training until he was 19, and said that he noticed a marked spike in his performance once he started doing so.

I think that the days of Bolt being lax in training are mainly stories from his youth when he wasn't very dedicated. The fact he likes chicken nuggets is really neither here nor there, I'm sure it's not what he lives on, and when you're as fit as he no doubt is, you can get away with the odd liberty without too much effect, so long as you lay off the booze.

Well there's no doubt that the training is definitely different. But it's not easier. You still a great deal of strength endurance and lactate threshold to be effective at 200m. The decline in his level since 2009 is quite apparent, and I'd wager it's down to some degree to a lack of interest. He owns all the world records and has multiple Olympic and World golds. He's already surpassed Carl Lewis in the legendary standings, there's nothing else to prove. I get it.

I agree the media reports of chicken nugget diet is here nor there, but it's the overall attitude towards training as a whole. He is clearly a lot more mature now, whilst still playing up to the media, which suggests he's perhaps a bit more sensible. You'd wager that he's been quite unlucky with injuries, especially in the last few years. However, the reported 'injuries' he's been struggling with could be down to a few things. It could be to some degree down to a lack of strength and conditioning training through the winter (I can assure you this is essential to an athlete's season) which means he's either not fit enough to compete (the last thing you want to do is turn up to a diamond league race and finish 5th, and give your rivals some encouragement) or he's breaking down in training because he has not done sufficient conditioning work. Strength and conditioning is essential not in the sense that it'll make you run faster over 100m, but it gives you a solid base to train on. Means you can work harder for longer, and not break down. Train without it, and 4 weeks into training and you'll start to pick up niggles halting your progress.

I'm speculating obviously, he could just be very unlucky with the injuries, but there is a pattern emerging over the last 5 years. I can't remember the last time he competed in an early season meet.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Interestingly, just did some reading on a runner forum, Bolt's fastest ever split was 27.9 miles per hour, for a 10 meter split, just ahead of Carl Lewis, who had the second fastest at 27.6, the big difference is that Bolt slows less than everyone else over the last 30, he's not accelerating, everyone else is slowing down more than him.

Carl Lewis was off his tits on PEDs yet was one of Ben Johnsons biggest criticselling. Couldn't stand him at the time.

Rob3_142 wrote:

BigDoofus wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:In 1976 the jamaicans didnt have the infrastructure to build an athletics program. To attribute their success entirely to doping seems rather simplistic.

Nobody has done that, but the fact that the Jamaicans chose not to drug-test a single athlete in the 3 months before London 2012 and the ex-head of the world anti-doping agency compares them with the old Soviet and East German regimes cannot be ignored.

Well the majority of the Jamaican anti-doping board resigned in 2013 as WADA declared them 'non-compliant'. The athletes were just not tested enough in Jamaica (one report suggested that there had only been one test between February 2012 and the London Olympics). This is a country that churns world class sprinters out like industry. Is it just lackadaisical? Or is it suspicious? The jury is out!

The number of Jamaican athletes that have failed since makes me very suspicious.

Rob3_142 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote: I'm talking about the contributing factors to his success, not how hard he trains. I'm saying that his genetics are playing 90% towards his success, whereas his application to training is 10%. I'm not saying these values absolutely, I'm just speculating.

A fortnight training camp with Bolt? Not a problem. I competed internationally in double decathlon, and nationally at 400m hurdles and 800m, and can assure you if I could achieve what I did in a 2 week training camp, I would have. Unfortunately because my genetics are not as good as Bolt's, my training camps would be something more like 18 months, training about 11 times per week.

At the highest level, you have a meticulous approach to training. You have an extremely balanced routine, including strength, conditioning, endurance, technique. You need to have an extremely strict sleep pattern and diet, and essentially close yourself out to the world. It is quite publicly known that Bolt does not apply himself as good as he could. He even misses full training sessions, or does not keep to schedule. Watching clips of him throwing up on the side of the track does not paint a full picture. I don't know an athlete that has not thrown up on the side of a track.

There's no doubt at all at his ability, but I'm saying Bolt could have taken the records so much further than he did.

I would say the training for 100 meter sprint is probably going to be a lot easier than decathlon, at the end of the day, you're just enhancing speed, that's what the weight training is for, to enable the sprinter to power themselves along that little bit faster. Apparently bolt didn't even start doing any weight training until he was 19, and said that he noticed a marked spike in his performance once he started doing so.

I think that the days of Bolt being lax in training are mainly stories from his youth when he wasn't very dedicated. The fact he likes chicken nuggets is really neither here nor there, I'm sure it's not what he lives on, and when you're as fit as he no doubt is, you can get away with the odd liberty without too much effect, so long as you lay off the booze.

Well there's no doubt that the training is definitely different. But it's not easier. You still a great deal of strength endurance and lactate threshold to be effective at 200m. The decline in his level since 2009 is quite apparent, and I'd wager it's down to some degree to a lack of interest. He owns all the world records and has multiple Olympic and World golds. He's already surpassed Carl Lewis in the legendary standings, there's nothing else to prove. I get it.

I agree the media reports of chicken nugget diet is here nor there, but it's the overall attitude towards training as a whole. He is clearly a lot more mature now, whilst still playing up to the media, which suggests he's perhaps a bit more sensible. You'd wager that he's been quite unlucky with injuries, especially in the last few years. However, the reported 'injuries' he's been struggling with could be down to a few things. It could be to some degree down to a lack of strength and conditioning training through the winter (I can assure you this is essential to an athlete's season) which means he's either not fit enough to compete (the last thing you want to do is turn up to a diamond league race and finish 5th, and give your rivals some encouragement) or he's breaking down in training because he has not done sufficient conditioning work. Strength and conditioning is essential not in the sense that it'll make you run faster over 100m, but it gives you a solid base to train on. Means you can work harder for longer, and not break down. Train without it, and 4 weeks into training and you'll start to pick up niggles halting your progress.

I'm speculating obviously, he could just be very unlucky with the injuries, but there is a pattern emerging over the last 5 years. I can't remember the last time he competed in an early season meet.

Yes, I suspect you may be right there, although at 29 I'd be surprised if he was running the same times at 22, however, motivation is hard to maintain, as you say, when you have all the beans already, unlike some other athletes, who were incredibly single minded and obsessive, even when they'd been dominant for years, Bolt does seem to enjoy his life away from the track more than some.

He sustained an ankle injury in a car crash whilst awol from training as I recall, did that have any long term impact?

Could be any number of reasons for his injuries, they could be phsysiological in nature due to his frame, or as you say, to patchy training.

Rob3_142 wrote: I can't remember the last time he competed in an early season meet.

perhaps he has to wait for the massive cocktail of drugs he takes every winter to cycle through his system

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

I would say the training for 100 meter sprint is probably going to be a lot easier than decathlon, at the end of the day, you're just enhancing speed, that's what the weight training is for, to enable the sprinter to power themselves along that little bit faster. Apparently bolt didn't even start doing any weight training until he was 19, and said that he noticed a marked spike in his performance once he started doing so.

I think that the days of Bolt being lax in training are mainly stories from his youth when he wasn't very dedicated. The fact he likes chicken nuggets is really neither here nor there, I'm sure it's not what he lives on, and when you're as fit as he no doubt is, you can get away with the odd liberty without too much effect, so long as you lay off the booze.

Well there's no doubt that the training is definitely different. But it's not easier. You still a great deal of strength endurance and lactate threshold to be effective at 200m. The decline in his level since 2009 is quite apparent, and I'd wager it's down to some degree to a lack of interest. He owns all the world records and has multiple Olympic and World golds. He's already surpassed Carl Lewis in the legendary standings, there's nothing else to prove. I get it.

I agree the media reports of chicken nugget diet is here nor there, but it's the overall attitude towards training as a whole. He is clearly a lot more mature now, whilst still playing up to the media, which suggests he's perhaps a bit more sensible. You'd wager that he's been quite unlucky with injuries, especially in the last few years. However, the reported 'injuries' he's been struggling with could be down to a few things. It could be to some degree down to a lack of strength and conditioning training through the winter (I can assure you this is essential to an athlete's season) which means he's either not fit enough to compete (the last thing you want to do is turn up to a diamond league race and finish 5th, and give your rivals some encouragement) or he's breaking down in training because he has not done sufficient conditioning work. Strength and conditioning is essential not in the sense that it'll make you run faster over 100m, but it gives you a solid base to train on. Means you can work harder for longer, and not break down. Train without it, and 4 weeks into training and you'll start to pick up niggles halting your progress.

I'm speculating obviously, he could just be very unlucky with the injuries, but there is a pattern emerging over the last 5 years. I can't remember the last time he competed in an early season meet.

Yes, I suspect you may be right there, although at 29 I'd be surprised if he was running the same times at 22, however, motivation is hard to maintain, as you say, when you have all the beans already, unlike some other athletes, who were incredibly single minded and obsessive, even when they'd been dominant for years, Bolt does seem to enjoy his life away from the track more than some.

He sustained an ankle injury in a car crash whilst awol from training as I recall, did that have any long term impact?

Could be any number of reasons for his injuries, they could be phsysiological in nature due to his frame, or as you say, to patchy training.

If he wins at this Olympics, there'd be one last thing to aim for I suppose, which is gold at one more Olympics which would put him far and away from any sprinter that ever lived. It would be a tall order, but I think that over 200 he might have a chance at achieving that. Who is the oldest sprint medalist - excluding 400, which I'm never sure whether it is classed as a sprint or not.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote: I can't remember the last time he competed in an early season meet.

perhaps he has to wait for the massive cocktail of drugs he takes every winter to cycle through his system

Probably more truth in that than you think.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I remember Michael Johnson commenting on how huge he'd become in the space of a season

‘That bulk is not necessary’, IIRC. On the BBC during his post-race analysis.

Grilling Machine wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I remember Michael Johnson commenting on how huge he'd become in the space of a season

‘That bulk is not necessary’, IIRC. On the BBC during his post-race analysis.

Yes, that's the very one.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

I would say the training for 100 meter sprint is probably going to be a lot easier than decathlon, at the end of the day, you're just enhancing speed, that's what the weight training is for, to enable the sprinter to power themselves along that little bit faster. Apparently bolt didn't even start doing any weight training until he was 19, and said that he noticed a marked spike in his performance once he started doing so.

I think that the days of Bolt being lax in training are mainly stories from his youth when he wasn't very dedicated. The fact he likes chicken nuggets is really neither here nor there, I'm sure it's not what he lives on, and when you're as fit as he no doubt is, you can get away with the odd liberty without too much effect, so long as you lay off the booze.

Well there's no doubt that the training is definitely different. But it's not easier. You still a great deal of strength endurance and lactate threshold to be effective at 200m. The decline in his level since 2009 is quite apparent, and I'd wager it's down to some degree to a lack of interest. He owns all the world records and has multiple Olympic and World golds. He's already surpassed Carl Lewis in the legendary standings, there's nothing else to prove. I get it.

I agree the media reports of chicken nugget diet is here nor there, but it's the overall attitude towards training as a whole. He is clearly a lot more mature now, whilst still playing up to the media, which suggests he's perhaps a bit more sensible. You'd wager that he's been quite unlucky with injuries, especially in the last few years. However, the reported 'injuries' he's been struggling with could be down to a few things. It could be to some degree down to a lack of strength and conditioning training through the winter (I can assure you this is essential to an athlete's season) which means he's either not fit enough to compete (the last thing you want to do is turn up to a diamond league race and finish 5th, and give your rivals some encouragement) or he's breaking down in training because he has not done sufficient conditioning work. Strength and conditioning is essential not in the sense that it'll make you run faster over 100m, but it gives you a solid base to train on. Means you can work harder for longer, and not break down. Train without it, and 4 weeks into training and you'll start to pick up niggles halting your progress.

I'm speculating obviously, he could just be very unlucky with the injuries, but there is a pattern emerging over the last 5 years. I can't remember the last time he competed in an early season meet.

Yes, I suspect you may be right there, although at 29 I'd be surprised if he was running the same times at 22, however, motivation is hard to maintain, as you say, when you have all the beans already, unlike some other athletes, who were incredibly single minded and obsessive, even when they'd been dominant for years, Bolt does seem to enjoy his life away from the track more than some.

He sustained an ankle injury in a car crash whilst awol from training as I recall, did that have any long term impact?

Could be any number of reasons for his injuries, they could be phsysiological in nature due to his frame, or as you say, to patchy training.

I'd say there is no immediate pattern to his injuries, as his latest was a hamstring problem. Again I am only speculating, but one could imagine that the injuries are due not enough conditioning in the winter.

As far as drugs go, once again, unless he's been drugged since his early teenage years (which cannot be ruled out - but probably a bit far fetched), his success has been constant, and he'd probably be here with or without drugs. I think Bolt is reportedly one of the most tested athletes in the world.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Well there's no doubt that the training is definitely different. But it's not easier. You still a great deal of strength endurance and lactate threshold to be effective at 200m. The decline in his level since 2009 is quite apparent, and I'd wager it's down to some degree to a lack of interest. He owns all the world records and has multiple Olympic and World golds. He's already surpassed Carl Lewis in the legendary standings, there's nothing else to prove. I get it.

I agree the media reports of chicken nugget diet is here nor there, but it's the overall attitude towards training as a whole. He is clearly a lot more mature now, whilst still playing up to the media, which suggests he's perhaps a bit more sensible. You'd wager that he's been quite unlucky with injuries, especially in the last few years. However, the reported 'injuries' he's been struggling with could be down to a few things. It could be to some degree down to a lack of strength and conditioning training through the winter (I can assure you this is essential to an athlete's season) which means he's either not fit enough to compete (the last thing you want to do is turn up to a diamond league race and finish 5th, and give your rivals some encouragement) or he's breaking down in training because he has not done sufficient conditioning work. Strength and conditioning is essential not in the sense that it'll make you run faster over 100m, but it gives you a solid base to train on. Means you can work harder for longer, and not break down. Train without it, and 4 weeks into training and you'll start to pick up niggles halting your progress.

I'm speculating obviously, he could just be very unlucky with the injuries, but there is a pattern emerging over the last 5 years. I can't remember the last time he competed in an early season meet.

Yes, I suspect you may be right there, although at 29 I'd be surprised if he was running the same times at 22, however, motivation is hard to maintain, as you say, when you have all the beans already, unlike some other athletes, who were incredibly single minded and obsessive, even when they'd been dominant for years, Bolt does seem to enjoy his life away from the track more than some.

He sustained an ankle injury in a car crash whilst awol from training as I recall, did that have any long term impact?

Could be any number of reasons for his injuries, they could be phsysiological in nature due to his frame, or as you say, to patchy training.

If he wins at this Olympics, there'd be one last thing to aim for I suppose, which is gold at one more Olympics which would put him far and away from any sprinter that ever lived. It would be a tall order, but I think that over 200 he might have a chance at achieving that. Who is the oldest sprint medalist - excluding 400, which I'm never sure whether it is classed as a sprint or not.

There's absolutely no chance that Bolt will go onto another Olympics after this one, win or lose. He's already stated that he's going to retire after these games. There's nothing more to gain. He's already surpassed every one in almost every department. If Gatlin wins an event in these Olympic Games, which I suspect he will, Bolt would have to stick around for a few more Olympics to match him. He's already at the end of his tether...

The sad thing is, whenever there is a great performance at the Olympics I automatically wonder if anything has influenced the performance.

The other day the BBC commentary were on about a female swimmer who was swimming faster than ever at her age and they said that it is virtually unheard of for a swimmer of her age (late 20's I think) to be beating her personal bests.

They then seemed to feel the need to qualify their comments by saying, er..... she trains really hard though ! .....

At least the Paralympics Organisers have some balls.

I remember at London 2012 that 15 year old Chinese girl that was breaking a bunch of world records and such, and just because she was Chinese, there were many qualifying her position as a clean athlete.

Than again, she's not at these Olympics....