BoxRec

Lackeos wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

Lackeos wrote: No, they favored power shots with snap over tentative, glancing pitty-pat jabs.

Kovalev was the white guy.

If you actually think Kovalev landed a larger volume of really hard punches, then you didn't even see the fight. It's one thing if you think Kovalev's higher volume of glancing pitty-pat jabs had more merit than Ward's harder shots. But if you think Kovalev landed more hard shots, you didn't actually see the fight at all.

On the contrary. 7 rounds Ward is a joke. The guy ate harder jabs, was visibly hurt a few times, outlanded and put on his ass.

x3 american judges really loved that illegal crabbing. Pathetic.

I can't put Ward P4P #1 off of this.

babyjesus wrote:I laid 170 to win 100 on Ward and ward by dec 46-40. go ward

winner winner

I wanted Kov to win the fight, but he didn't land much in the 2nd half of the fight. Ward was connecting more effective, eye catching punches, and doing enough to take the rounds. I had Ward by 4. Some of those rounds were close so I can understand some seeing him by 1. It would be interesting to see those cards and see how they all got to 114-113. I am sure they had a few rounds different.

Ian1973 wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:The HBO commentary team and addiliated journalists favoured Kovalev. Neutrals like the Sky commentary team favoured Ward.

The right man won.

Neutral? Paulie? lol.

Matthew macklin and the commentator who are English had ward winning

jezzamundo wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
It was a close fight that could fairly be scored for either fighter.

No it couldn't. I was t a fan of either fighter so had no bias but there is no way Ward won 7 rounds.

I wanted Kovalev to win and was watching with HBO commentary, but I scored 7 rounds to Ward.

Then you have no idea what you were watching. Ward did some good work in some rounds but not enough to take the fight. If ward wins 7 rounds then you scored a draw.

Ricky_ wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:The HBO commentary team and addiliated journalists favoured Kovalev. Neutrals like the Sky commentary team favoured Ward.

The right man won.

Sky commentry was a bias joke. They gave Ward round 10

Kovalev is contractually-tied to HBO. Sky carries not bias, since they have no financial incentive to do so.

The fight was close, for sure, but there was no robbery... with neutrals (i.e. non HBO employees or affiliated journalists), considering the possibility that Ward deserved to gain the win.

ldlamb wrote:The cards were exactly the same way I scored it, 114-113 Ward.

Kovalev dominated the first 4 rounds....Ward won most (but didn't dominate) the last 8, in my opinion.

But clearly, it could have gone to Kovalev........unlike Mayweather/Pac, this is a rematch I want to see.

I agree completely.

Ricky_ wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:
Kovalev was the white guy.

If you actually think Kovalev landed a larger volume of really hard punches, then you didn't even see the fight. It's one thing if you think Kovalev's higher volume of glancing pitty-pat jabs had more merit than Ward's harder shots. But if you think Kovalev landed more hard shots, you didn't actually see the fight at all.

On the contrary. 7 rounds Ward is a joke. The guy ate harder jabs, was visibly hurt a few times, outlanded and put on his ass.

x3 american judges really loved that illegal crabbing. Pathetic.

What were you watching? Krusher held by far more than Ward.

p4p1 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

p4p1 wrote: No it couldn't. I was t a fan of either fighter so had no bias but there is no way Ward won 7 rounds.

I wanted Kovalev to win and was watching with HBO commentary, but I scored 7 rounds to Ward.

Then you have no idea what you were watching. Ward did some good work in some rounds but not enough to take the fight. If ward wins 7 rounds then you scored a draw.

Nope, 7 rounds to Ward, 5 rounds to Kovalev = 114-113 Ward, which is exactly the same as the judges would have had it.

p4p1 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

p4p1 wrote: No it couldn't. I was t a fan of either fighter so had no bias but there is no way Ward won 7 rounds.

I wanted Kovalev to win and was watching with HBO commentary, but I scored 7 rounds to Ward.

Then you have no idea what you were watching. Ward did some good work in some rounds but not enough to take the fight. If ward wins 7 rounds then you scored a draw.

That's not true...7 rounds to Ward is 114-113, just like the judges.

jezzamundo wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
I wanted Kovalev to win and was watching with HBO commentary, but I scored 7 rounds to Ward.

Then you have no idea what you were watching. Ward did some good work in some rounds but not enough to take the fight. If ward wins 7 rounds then you scored a draw.

Nope, 7 rounds to Ward, 5 rounds to Kovalev = 114-113 Ward, which is exactly the same as the judges would have had it.

My math was off sorry there. But you're eyes were way far off as were the judges.

Tanzio wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

Lackeos wrote: If you actually think Kovalev landed a larger volume of really hard punches, then you didn't even see the fight. It's one thing if you think Kovalev's higher volume of glancing pitty-pat jabs had more merit than Ward's harder shots. But if you think Kovalev landed more hard shots, you didn't actually see the fight at all.

On the contrary. 7 rounds Ward is a joke. The guy ate harder jabs, was visibly hurt a few times, outlanded and put on his ass.

x3 american judges really loved that illegal crabbing. Pathetic.

What were you watching? Krusher held by far more than Ward.

Ward intitiated most of the wrestling, Kovalev pulled him close to stop him holding and hitting.

Such a hard fight to score! I had it the exact same as the judges, but you could watch it back again and score it completely different and score it wide in favour of Sergey.

I think Sergey showed what many people thought; that his boxing skills are very underrated.

Sergey was 100% the aggressor, anyone could've told you that beforehand, and yes I agree he did control majority of the rounds - but I thought Andre snapped Sergey'a head back more and landed the cleaner shots (obviously apart from the second.)

It could've gone either way.

Don't think the rematch will be the same, if there will be one!

Russia should refuse to recognize the decision and no foreign fighter should ever come to fight in the USSA's crookedest city Las Vegas.

A challenger is supposed to take the fight from the champ. How do u do that by backing away all night and clinching and wrestling all night and getting knocked down in a round making that round 10-8 and looking like a bloody mess while the champ looks like new, and even their Punchstat numbers had K ahead in punches landed and power punches landed!?

Impractical Poster wrote:How times have changed. Not only did I think Kov won the fight, but the challenger is supposed to take the title, how the hell do you win a title by backing up and grabbing, gettomg out punched, and landing the harder shots?

This. Wrestling for the win.

x2x wrote:Russia should refuse to recognize the decision and no foreign fighter should ever come to fight in the USSA's crookedest city Las Vegas.

A challenger is supposed to take the fight from the champ. How do u do that by backing away all night and clinching and wrestling all night and getting knocked down in a round making that round 10-8 and looking like a bloody mess while the champ looks like new, and even their Punchstat numbers had K ahead in punches landed and power punches landed!?

Just like Brook got robbed against Porter in Vegas? Kovalev lives and has fought his ENTIRE pro career fighting in the States. He lives in the same state as Ward you fn moron.

None of the Sky UK commentary team (at least seven scorecards) had Kovalev winning.

Sky UK doesn't have a financial relationship with any of the parties involved in tonight's fight.

p4p1 wrote:Can someone explain why guys don't toss ward on his ass every time he tried to grapple?

I imagine it's because that's much easier said than done.

x2x wrote:A challenger is supposed to take the fight from the champ.

That has always been idiotic. Whoever deserves the win deserves the win. It doesn't matter whatsoever who entered the fight with a title.

Enlightened-One wrote:None of the Sky UK commentary team (at least seven scorecards) had Kovalev winning.

Sky UK doesn't have a financial relationship with any of the parties involved in tonight's fight.

He got robbed tho! Let's just stick with that loser narrative.

Lackeos wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Boxing judges favouring spoiling, holding, fouling over punching, agression and holding the ring.

Imagine my shock.

No, they favored power shots with snap over tentative, glancing pitty-pat jabs.

Kovalev outlanded Ward both in total and power punches.

squiggy wrote:

p4p1 wrote:Can someone explain why guys don't toss ward on his ass every time he tried to grapple?

I imagine it's because that's much easier said than done.

It's really not mate. A little bit of wrestling training would have another boxer hurting Ward in the clinch and putting him on his ass if they wanted to. He is very out of position grappling wise if someone wants to throw him around. That's why Kov was easily able to back him up onto the ropes.

Lackeos wrote:

x2x wrote:A challenger is supposed to take the fight from the champ.

That has always been idiotic. Whoever deserves the win deserves the win. It doesn't matter whatsoever who entered the fight with a title.

... and Ward didn't deserve that win. He deserves a praise that he survived and made it close, but not the win.

I wanted Krusher to win but he let it get away. I would have had no problem with Krusher getting the win by 114-113, or 115-112. It was no wider either way but I had the exact same score as all three judges. To be fair, the Russians I watched with had it from close to Lederman wide for Krusher. Who was biased?

It was a great fight for me. Ward earned his name back for me. Getting up from that kd and wresting control in the second half showed great heart.

An immediate rematch had better happen.