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asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: And exactly that proves that Povetkin hasn't taken anything after 1 januari 2016, as he said from start of.

But they did detect the substance in his urine, the excretion trials have not been concluded yet, so the amount they measured doesn't mean much yet.

It's a curve, it's getting lower and lower and this was exactly within the naturally expected limits.

These are not naturally expected limits. These trials have not been done yet, so they set a very conservative threshold, and all positive tests will be addressed as soon as the new information becomes available.

Rob -

Canada, Switzerland, Las Vegas, all western countries. Same with the alphabet things. I don't see them going out of their way to test the in crowd, Wladimir, Joshua, and Wilder. And it is a microscopic amount of an innocuous drug and they are making a mountain out of a mole hill and their motive is obvious: Povetkin isn't in an in country and part of the in crowd. And I'm not turning a blind eye to drugs in Russia. I'm saying the drug testing business the way it is now isn't fair and is just being used as another instrument of corruption the same as everything else in boxing ever since ito inception. Mobsters are attracted to boxing bcause of its raw violence, and because it is the easiest sport to mess with, just another angle for them to exploit, same ol same ol.

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x2x wrote:Rob -

Canada, Switzerland, Las Vegas, all western countries. Same with the alphabet things. I don't see them going out of their way to test the in crowd, Wladimir, Joshua, and Wilder. And it is a microscopic amount of an innocuous drug and they are making a mountain out of a mole hill and their motive is obvious: Povetkin isn't in an in country and part of the in crowd. And I'm not turning a blind eye to drugs in Russia. I'm saying the drug testing business the way it is now isn't fair and is just being used as another instrument of corruption the same as everything else in boxing ever since ito inception. Mobsters are attracted to boxing bcause of its raw violence, and because it is the easiest sport to mess with, just another angle for them to exploit, same ol same ol.

So that's it, it's the West, so it's corrupt?

Do you really believe that Wilder and Joshua do not have drug tests?

Do you think Ostarine is an innocuous drug? Do you think that any trace of these drugs is acceptable?

What is unfair about the testing system as you see it?

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
But they did detect the substance in his urine, the excretion trials have not been concluded yet, so the amount they measured doesn't mean much yet.

It's a curve, it's getting lower and lower and this was exactly within the naturally expected limits.

These are not naturally expected limits. These trials have not been done yet, so they set a very conservative threshold, and all positive tests will be addressed as soon as the new information becomes available.

WADA and VADA might not have a clue what they are doing, the rest of the world already does and know very well that Povetkin is right and innocent.

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: It's a curve, it's getting lower and lower and this was exactly within the naturally expected limits.

These are not naturally expected limits. These trials have not been done yet, so they set a very conservative threshold, and all positive tests will be addressed as soon as the new information becomes available.

WADA and VADA might not have a clue what they are doing, the rest of the world already does and know very well that Povetkin is right and innocent.

The only people who think Povetkin is clean and innocent are Ryabinsky and a half dozen fucktards on this site

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
These are not naturally expected limits. These trials have not been done yet, so they set a very conservative threshold, and all positive tests will be addressed as soon as the new information becomes available.

WADA and VADA might not have a clue what they are doing, the rest of the world already does and know very well that Povetkin is right and innocent.

The only people who think Povetkin is clean and innocent are Ryabinsky and a half dozen fucktards on this site

Rob3_142 wrote: So that's it, it's the West, so it's corrupt?

That is not quite what I said...but If u think boxing in the west in general, and las vegas in particular, isn't corrupt u r pretty silly because they don't even bother to try to hide it any more, they r right in your face with it.

Do you really believe that Wilder and Joshua do not have drug tests?

Do they? Is Doc Goodman testing them? Link please. And if she is, who is keeping her honest?

Do you think Ostarine is an innocuous drug? Do you think that any trace of these drugs is acceptable?

How bad can it be? It was sold in health food stores up until a year ago. The trace amount they claim to have found is miniscule. Nobody is even saying he's some kind of hard core juicer with roids coming out of his ears!

What is unfair about the testing system as you see it?

See all my previous posts.

Just let the guy fight fer petes sake! You have all these junk "championship" fights with Wilder - and now u have Joshua, who has never beaten one top fighter, vs what might or might not be an over the hill Wladimir - and I don't know, Briggs in some ridiculous so called championship fight - and meanwhile u have Povetkin with five great wins in a row and they don't even want to let him in their private boxing club!

If they keep it up half the world - like Russia and China - will pull out and form their own sports organizations.

Rob3_142 wrote: So that's it, it's the West, so it's corrupt?

That is not quite what I said...but If u think boxing in the west in general, and las vegas in particular, isn't corrupt u r pretty silly because they don't even bother to try to hide it any more, they r right in your face with it.

Do you really believe that Wilder and Joshua do not have drug tests?

Do they? Is Doc Goodman testing them? Link please. And if she is, who is keeping her honest?

Do you think Ostarine is an innocuous drug? Do you think that any trace of these drugs is acceptable?

How bad can it be? It was sold in health food stores up until a year ago. The trace amount they claim to have found is miniscule. Nobody is even seriously saying he's some kind of hard core juicer with roids coming out of his ears!

What is unfair about the testing system as you see it?

See all my previous posts.

Just let the guy fight fer petes sake! You have all these junk "championship" fights with Wilder - and now u have Joshua, who has never beaten one top fighter, vs what might or might not be an over the hill Wladimir - and I don't know, Briggs in some ridiculous so called championship fight - and meanwhile u have Povetkin with five great wins in a row and they don't even want to let him in their private boxing club!

If they keep it up half the world - like Russia and China - will pull out and form their own sports organizations.[/quote]

Badhusker wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: WADA and VADA might not have a clue what they are doing, the rest of the world already does and know very well that Povetkin is right and innocent.

The only people who think Povetkin is clean and innocent are Ryabinsky and a half dozen fucktards on this site

Ryabinski knows, you guys are the ones who think, and think wrong.

asdfjkl wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
The only people who think Povetkin is clean and innocent are Ryabinsky and a half dozen fucktards on this site

Ryabinski knows, you guys are the ones who think, and think wrong.

Well at least we think.
You have your head so far up Povetkin's butt you can taste the peds. But you're never even going to admit you're wrong even if Povetkin admitted to it

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

Ryabinski knows, you guys are the ones who think, and think wrong.

Well at least we think.
You have your head so far up Povetkin's butt you can taste the peds. But you're never even going to admit you're wrong even if Povetkin admitted to it

Povetkin has been honest from start till end and all scientific evidence proved that. There isn't any reason to not believe him.

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Ryabinski knows, you guys are the ones who think, and think wrong.

Well at least we think.
You have your head so far up Povetkin's butt you can taste the peds. But you're never even going to admit you're wrong even if Povetkin admitted to it

Povetkin has been honest from start till end and all scientific evidence proved that. There isn't any reason to not believe him.

Povetkin has been relatively quiet about the entire ordeal.
The majority of comments have come from Ryabinsky.

I wouldn't blame Povetkin for being so upset with the American Civil Justice System that he decides to chuck the sport and do something else...

A lot of people are set up and convicted unjustly... Povetkin is just more high profile than most innocent victims of our justice sysem... It happened to Martha Stewart too... Right wingers wanted her indicted and convicted though she broke no laws... Her only crime was donating hundreds of thousands to Democratic politicians... The main government witness in her trial (Larry Stewart, no relationship) was indicted for perjury because he lied throughout her trial... Somehow that indictment got dropped -- which was really strange because his conviction would have exonerated Martha Stewart.

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: It's a curve, it's getting lower and lower and this was exactly within the naturally expected limits.

These are not naturally expected limits. These trials have not been done yet, so they set a very conservative threshold, and all positive tests will be addressed as soon as the new information becomes available.

WADA and VADA might not have a clue what they are doing, the rest of the world already does and know very well that Povetkin is right and innocent.

The rest of the world? You mean the people who are not responsible for testing urine samples? Or the people who are not responsible for keeping sport clean? It's amazing that all the people who are least informed on the details of Povetkin's case are the most qualified to pass judgement.

x2x wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote: So that's it, it's the West, so it's corrupt?

That is not quite what I said...but If u think boxing in the west in general, and las vegas in particular, isn't corrupt u r pretty silly because they don't even bother to try to hide it any more, they r right in your face with it.

I think it is all relative. If you consider corruption across sport as a whole, it's rife. It's not great. But sport still has to carry on. We have to make the most of this bad situation. I still believe that on the face, sport is credible, otherwise nobody would ever be found out for failed drug tests. I believe the truth will eventually surface, which is exactly what happened with Lance Armstrong, and is currently happening with the state sponsored doping in Russia.

x2x wrote:

Do you really believe that Wilder and Joshua do not have drug tests?

Do they? Is Doc Goodman testing them? Link please. And if she is, who is keeping her honest?

Joshua is not tested by VADA, he's tested by UKAD. Just as Wilder is tested by USADA, and Povetkin is tested by RUSADA. Joshua is not ranked by the WBC, so is not inclined to be enrolled on the VADA CBP. I know this is not a reputable source, but just an indication of Joshua's testing protocol with UKAD.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anthony ... rituality/

x2x wrote:

Do you think Ostarine is an innocuous drug? Do you think that any trace of these drugs is acceptable?

How bad can it be? It was sold in health food stores up until a year ago. The trace amount they claim to have found is miniscule. Nobody is even seriously saying he's some kind of hard core juicer with roids coming out of his ears!

Ostarine is similar in its mode of action as anabolic steroids, but is more selective in its action. Ostarine can increase physical stamina and fitness. It has been banned since 2009. He may well not be juicing like a body builder, but it an athlete training to gain an unfair advantage. It's simple, if the drug does not apply a benefit to the athlete, then do not take it. But he clearly did. And the trace measured is likely the remnants of a larger dose in the past.

x2x wrote:

What is unfair about the testing system as you see it?

See all my previous posts.

Just let the guy fight fer petes sake! You have all these junk "championship" fights with Wilder - and now u have Joshua, who has never beaten one top fighter, vs what might or might not be an over the hill Wladimir - and I don't know, Briggs in some ridiculous so called championship fight - and meanwhile u have Povetkin with five great wins in a row and they don't even want to let him in their private boxing club!

If they keep it up half the world - like Russia and China - will pull out and form their own sports organizations.

Povetkin is more than welcome to fight providing that he follows the rules. The rules have not cropped up over night, they have always been there. Cheating is not acceptable, and if he does not want to compete fairly, he will not be allowed to compete at all. Russia and China are always more than welcome to start their own sporting organisation. I personally would not miss them. Seems more of a hassle to have them as part of the world organisation.

The "deep state" which still controls USA despite the new CEO Trump does not want to be allies with Russia because Russia is against the new world order globalist agenda - Trump and Putin are resisting this evil new world order one govt plan - Hence why the US deep state (which controls the media) has the smear campaign against Russia and everything Russia - it's all propaganda - Think about this: Russia would be the greatest ally for USA - Russia has so much more to offer than USA's supposed best ally israel - But the "deep state" wants a one world govt which Trump and Putin are against - This Povetkin matter is small potatoes in the big picture but it's a part of the propaganda campaign which is to manufacture and smear Russia as our new evil enemy which keeps the military industry complex in big BIG bu$ine$$ - Russia has nothing against USA (and vice versa) however Russia supports Iran and Syria which are both in the cross hairs of israel's ambitions to take over and control all of the middle east oil - Trump knows the deal and does not want USA to be controlled by israel any longer - Hence why so many jews got pissed off by Trumps "America First" slogan - The witch hunts against Povetkin and Sharapova and the Russian OLY athletes is just part of the smear campaign to demonize Russia - and to manufacture another new bogeyman for the USA to fear and start a war with - But Trump knows what time it is and hopefully he and Putin will overcome the evil greedy globalist forces - If Hillary won the president election we might be in WW3 right now because Hillary was a totally controlled puppet by the globalists -

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
These are not naturally expected limits. These trials have not been done yet, so they set a very conservative threshold, and all positive tests will be addressed as soon as the new information becomes available.

WADA and VADA might not have a clue what they are doing, the rest of the world already does and know very well that Povetkin is right and innocent.

The rest of the world? You mean the people who are not responsible for testing urine samples? Or the people who are not responsible for keeping sport clean? It's amazing that all the people who are least informed on the details of Povetkin's case are the most qualified to pass judgement.

The laboratory in Lausanne are responsible for testing all kind of samples, and independent and are responsible for keeping sport clean.
They are informed in detail and in independent, they are people that know their facts and are qualified to give a fair judgement.

montrealsuper wrote:The "deep state" which still controls USA despite the new CEO Trump does not want to be allies with Russia because Russia is against the new world order globalist agenda - Trump and Putin are resisting this evil new world order one govt plan - Hence why the US deep state (which controls the media) has the smear campaign against Russia and everything Russia - it's all propaganda - Think about this: Russia would be the greatest ally for USA - Russia has so much more to offer than USA's supposed best ally israel - But the "deep state" wants a one world govt which Trump and Putin are against - This Povetkin matter is small potatoes in the big picture but it's a part of the propaganda campaign which is to manufacture and smear Russia as our new evil enemy which keeps the military industry complex in big BIG bu$ine$$ - Russia has nothing against USA (and vice versa) however Russia supports Iran and Syria which are both in the cross hairs of israel's ambitions to take over and control all of the middle east oil - Trump knows the deal and does not want USA to be controlled by israel any longer - Hence why so many jews got pissed off by Trumps "America First" slogan - The witch hunts against Povetkin and Sharapova and the Russian OLY athletes is just part of the smear campaign to demonize Russia - and to manufacture another new bogeyman for the USA to fear and start a war with - But Trump knows what time it is and hopefully he and Putin will overcome the evil greedy globalist forces - If Hillary won the president election we might be in WW3 right now because Hillary was a totally controlled puppet by the globalists -

Isn't it clear by this time that the sides of this thread won't persuade each other ???

boxing_rocks wrote:Isn't it clear by this time that the sides of this thread won't persuade each other ???

How often do you see anyone persuade anyone else of anything? People argue, sometimes debating politely, more often, especially in a place like this, just rudely cursing...but how often do you see someone say, "You have persuaded me. You were right and I was wrong"?

x2x wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Isn't it clear by this time that the sides of this thread won't persuade each other ???

How often do you see anyone persuade anyone else of anything? People argue, sometimes debating politely, more often, especially in a place like this, just rudely cursing...but how often do you see someone say, "You have persuaded me. You were right and I was wrong"?

I just meant that everybody is repeating what was already said multiple times.

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
Well at least we think.
You have your head so far up Povetkin's butt you can taste the peds. But you're never even going to admit you're wrong even if Povetkin admitted to it

Povetkin has been honest from start till end and all scientific evidence proved that. There isn't any reason to not believe him.

Povetkin has been relatively quiet about the entire ordeal.
The majority of comments have come from Ryabinsky.

Povetkin has always been polite and silence his entire life.

boxing_rocks wrote:Isn't it clear by this time that the sides of this thread won't persuade each other ???

Truth always KOs propaganda eventually - however the brainwashed rope a doped propagandized have no idea they have all been rope a doped by the great deception - We truthers hope and believe the brainwashed can be awakened to understand the truth - We live in a world of TRUTH and propaganda

montrealsuper wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Isn't it clear by this time that the sides of this thread won't persuade each other ???

Truth always KOs propaganda eventually - however the brainwashed rope a doped propagandized have no idea they have all been rope a doped by the great deception - We truthers hope and believe the brainwashed can be awakened to understand the truth - We live in a world of TRUTH and propaganda

There is no chance of ever knowing the truth.

Human beings are irrational, devious, selfish, frightened, violent, immoral creatures driven by the need to survive and reproduce. Thousands of years of civilization have done little to change basic behaviour. It's just the level of propaganda that's evolving.

However if we must insist on believing in justice, then perhaps we could start by looking at the fairness of punishment handed out, and by whom. If we can establish a sense of fairness in human interactions - of course nature has its own idea of fairness - then we can begin to create a sense of community.

Its probably the best we can do.