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Crease wrote:At least we can agree on that.

But Golivkin can't do any more than what he's alteady doing. He's a surpremely dominant unified champion.

He could accept his fair share of the cut for the big fights and fight the best.

Horse wrote:

Crease wrote:At least we can agree on that.

But Golivkin can't do any more than what he's alteady doing. He's a surpremely dominant unified champion.

He could accept his fair share of the cut for the big fights and fight the best.

Who, besides 3G, is better than Jacobs and Lemieux at MW? Hopefully, the Saunders fight will happen in June and GingerHead will finally nutup before 3G hits 40.

I think GGG should take the money and fight Canelo - simple as - if he wins, which he should, he becomes a much bigger name than he is now, and will earn more than any fight he has had previously.

He's running out of pride, and I think his manager is damaging his prospects.

Tanzio wrote:

Horse wrote:

Crease wrote:At least we can agree on that.

But Golivkin can't do any more than what he's alteady doing. He's a surpremely dominant unified champion.

He could accept his fair share of the cut for the big fights and fight the best.

Who, besides 3G, is better than Jacobs and Lemieux at MW? Hopefully, the Saunders fight will happen in June and GingerHead will finally nutup before 3G hits 40.

GGG has been on world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and it’s quite sad to realise that the best opponents on his resume are Jacobs and Lemieux. And this is from a man that has claimed over that timeframe that he can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs, but he hasn’t made any attempt to compete at any weight other than 160lbs.

Also, do we have any evidence that K2 provided compelling offers to some of the divisions biggest names at 160lbs to face Golovkin during that time period? A myth has been perpetuated fight fans that is not supported by evidence.

I’m a fan of Golovkin, but I think that there are better promoters than K2 that would have secured “bigger” fights for GGG than has managed so far.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think GGG should take the money and fight Canelo - simple as - if he wins, which he should, he becomes a much bigger name than he is now, and will earn more than any fight he has had previously.

He's running out of pride, and I think his manager is damaging his prospects.

I think you have the word wrong. 3G has stood on principle, not pride. GingerHead swallowed his pride back when he surrendered his MW belt without a fight.

Tanzio wrote:I think you have the word wrong. 3G has stood on principle, not pride. GingerHead swallowed his pride back when he surrendered his MW belt without a fight.

He doesn't know his place.

He's not been willing to earn his position as a top level earner, by taking the short end of the stick in the short term, in order to make far more later.

He's greedy and egotistical and he's cost himself the big fights and the big money.

The man is a fool.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Horse wrote:He could accept his fair share of the cut for the big fights and fight the best.

Who, besides 3G, is better than Jacobs and Lemieux at MW? Hopefully, the Saunders fight will happen in June and GingerHead will finally nutup before 3G hits 40.

GGG has been on world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and it’s quite sad to realise that the best opponents on his resume are Jacobs and Lemieux. And this is from a man that has claimed over that timeframe that he can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs, but he hasn’t made any attempt to compete at any weight other than 160lbs.

Also, do we have any evidence that K2 provided compelling offers to some of the divisions biggest names at 160lbs to face Golovkin during that time period? A myth has been perpetuated fight fans that is not supported by evidence.

I’m a fan of Golovkin, but I think that there are better promoters than K2 that would have secured “bigger” fights for GGG than has managed so far.

3G is the king of the hill of boxing's 2nd most prestigious division. The challengers must climb that hill to meet him. His reign is reminiscent of Hagler and Monzon.

3G is the king. He is not hurting for money. He stands at the top and he has defeated all who dare try to knock him off.

Horse wrote:

Tanzio wrote:I think you have the word wrong. 3G has stood on principle, not pride. GingerHead swallowed his pride back when he surrendered his MW belt without a fight.

He doesn't know his place.

He's not been willing to earn his position as a top level earner, by taking the short end of the stick in the short term, in order to make far more later.

He's greedy and egotistical and he's cost himself the big fights and the big money.

The man is a fool.

3G is greedy and egotistical? He knows his place quite well, atop the 2nd most coveted hill in boxing. His place is king until proven otherwise.

While money is important to him, it is precisely his place that he jealously and visciously protects against all pretenders. The king is king, and the circus acts are who they are.

Tanzio wrote:3G is the king of the hill of boxing's 2nd most prestigious division. The challengers must climb that hill to meet him. His reign is reminiscent of Hagler and Monzon.

3G is the king. He is not hurting for money. He stands at the top and he has defeated all who dare try to knock him off.

King of the paupers.

His bank balance is nowhere near as rich as it should be and neither is his record.

Golovkin will not be considered to be a real ATG by many in the future, if he doesn't humble himself and take what he is worth in negotiations with Alvarez and others on a higher level.

Horse wrote:

Tanzio wrote:3G is the king of the hill of boxing's 2nd most prestigious division. The challengers must climb that hill to meet him. His reign is reminiscent of Hagler and Monzon.

3G is the king. He is not hurting for money. He stands at the top and he has defeated all who dare try to knock him off.

King of the paupers.

His bank balance is nowhere near as rich as it should be and neither is his record.

Golovkin will not be considered to be a real ATG by many in the future, if he doesn't humble himself and take what he is worth in negotiations with Alvarez and others on a higher level.

There is more to life than riches. If the GingerHeaded circus act wants to regain respect to go with his bank account he must climb the king's hill and challenge him.

Starving a hapless fool and putting on a jester's show may make him money but it will win back no respect.

3G is king. All others are pretenders, no matter the number attached to their name in the cloud.

I'm afraid I'm with Horse on this one.

If GGG want's to have the kind of career his talent deserves, he should take the short money, which will still be more than he has earned for any fight, beat Canelo, and get on with his career.

Tanzio wrote:

Horse wrote:

Tanzio wrote:3G is the king of the hill of boxing's 2nd most prestigious division. The challengers must climb that hill to meet him. His reign is reminiscent of Hagler and Monzon.

3G is the king. He is not hurting for money. He stands at the top and he has defeated all who dare try to knock him off.

King of the paupers.

His bank balance is nowhere near as rich as it should be and neither is his record.

Golovkin will not be considered to be a real ATG by many in the future, if he doesn't humble himself and take what he is worth in negotiations with Alvarez and others on a higher level.

There is more to life than riches. If the GingerHeaded circus act wants to regain respect to go with his bank account he must climb the king's hill and challenge him.

Starving a hapless fool and putting on a jester's show may make him money but it will win back no respect.

3G is king. All others are pretenders, no matter the number attached to their name in the cloud.

It's not just about money, it's about opportunity, if he beats Canelo, he will become a huge star.

Tanzio wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Who, besides 3G, is better than Jacobs and Lemieux at MW? Hopefully, the Saunders fight will happen in June and GingerHead will finally nutup before 3G hits 40.

GGG has been on world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and it’s quite sad to realise that the best opponents on his resume are Jacobs and Lemieux. And this is from a man that has claimed over that timeframe that he can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs, but he hasn’t made any attempt to compete at any weight other than 160lbs.

Also, do we have any evidence that K2 provided compelling offers to some of the divisions biggest names at 160lbs to face Golovkin during that time period? A myth has been perpetuated fight fans that is not supported by evidence.

I’m a fan of Golovkin, but I think that there are better promoters than K2 that would have secured “bigger” fights for GGG than has managed so far.

3G is the king of the hill of boxing's 2nd most prestigious division. The challengers must climb that hill to meet him. His reign is reminiscent of Hagler and Monzon.

3G is the king. He is not hurting for money. He stands at the top and he has defeated all who dare try to knock him off.

Floyd Mayweather agreed to be on the proverbial B-side when he faced Gatti and De La Hoya, he competed in multiple weight classes in order to obtain opportunities to compete against the sports "biggest" names, he made an effort to gain mainstream recognition by making appearances on 'Dancing With The Stars' and the WWE, as well as performing after-dinner speaking by touring multiple countries… and there is proof of GBP and Mayweather Promotions making substantial offers to the sports’ biggest names to face him.

Can you prove that Gennady Golovkin or his team have made similar efforts to market himself to the mainstream masses and secure the biggest fights possible?

I really don’t think anyone can and I also feel that’s the reason why his PPV buy-rates are so low and his level of competition is not so great, despite his enormous talents.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: GGG has been on world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and it’s quite sad to realise that the best opponents on his resume are Jacobs and Lemieux. And this is from a man that has claimed over that timeframe that he can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs, but he hasn’t made any attempt to compete at any weight other than 160lbs.

Also, do we have any evidence that K2 provided compelling offers to some of the divisions biggest names at 160lbs to face Golovkin during that time period? A myth has been perpetuated fight fans that is not supported by evidence.

I’m a fan of Golovkin, but I think that there are better promoters than K2 that would have secured “bigger” fights for GGG than has managed so far.

3G is the king of the hill of boxing's 2nd most prestigious division. The challengers must climb that hill to meet him. His reign is reminiscent of Hagler and Monzon.

3G is the king. He is not hurting for money. He stands at the top and he has defeated all who dare try to knock him off.

Floyd Mayweather was on the proverbial B-side when he faced Gatti and De La Hoya, he competed in multiple weight classes in order to obtain opportunities to compete against the sports "biggest" names, he made an effort to gain mainstream recognition by making appearances on 'Dancing With The Stars' and the WWE, as well as performing after-dinner speaking by tours of multiple countries… and there is proof of GBP and Mayweather Promotions making substantial offers to the sports’ biggest names to face him.

Can you prove that Gennady Golovkin or his team have made similar efforts to market himself to the mainstream masses and secure the biggest fights possible?

I really don’t think anyone can and I also feel that’s the reason why his PPV buy-rates are so low, despite his enormous talents.

No argument here. 3G has much more Marvelous Marvin and Monzon in him than he does FMJ. I admire him for that.

Tanzio wrote:

Horse wrote:

Tanzio wrote:3G is the king of the hill of boxing's 2nd most prestigious division. The challengers must climb that hill to meet him. His reign is reminiscent of Hagler and Monzon.

3G is the king. He is not hurting for money. He stands at the top and he has defeated all who dare try to knock him off.

King of the paupers.

His bank balance is nowhere near as rich as it should be and neither is his record.

Golovkin will not be considered to be a real ATG by many in the future, if he doesn't humble himself and take what he is worth in negotiations with Alvarez and others on a higher level.

There is more to life than riches. If the GingerHeaded circus act wants to regain respect to go with his bank account he must climb the king's hill and challenge him.

Starving a hapless fool and putting on a jester's show may make him money but it will win back no respect.

3G is king. All others are pretenders, no matter the number attached to their name in the cloud.

Wow! Applauding to Tanzio. Even a broken clock shows correct time twice a day

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Horse wrote:King of the paupers.

His bank balance is nowhere near as rich as it should be and neither is his record.

Golovkin will not be considered to be a real ATG by many in the future, if he doesn't humble himself and take what he is worth in negotiations with Alvarez and others on a higher level.

There is more to life than riches. If the GingerHeaded circus act wants to regain respect to go with his bank account he must climb the king's hill and challenge him.

Starving a hapless fool and putting on a jester's show may make him money but it will win back no respect.

3G is king. All others are pretenders, no matter the number attached to their name in the cloud.

Wow! Applauding to Tanzio. Even a broken clock shows correct time twice a day

Unfortunately (for you) a box of rocks doesn't.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: GGG has been on world-rated 160lb-er since 2008 and it’s quite sad to realise that the best opponents on his resume are Jacobs and Lemieux. And this is from a man that has claimed over that timeframe that he can beat everyone from 154lbs to 175lbs, but he hasn’t made any attempt to compete at any weight other than 160lbs.

Also, do we have any evidence that K2 provided compelling offers to some of the divisions biggest names at 160lbs to face Golovkin during that time period? A myth has been perpetuated fight fans that is not supported by evidence.

I’m a fan of Golovkin, but I think that there are better promoters than K2 that would have secured “bigger” fights for GGG than has managed so far.

3G is the king of the hill of boxing's 2nd most prestigious division. The challengers must climb that hill to meet him. His reign is reminiscent of Hagler and Monzon.

3G is the king. He is not hurting for money. He stands at the top and he has defeated all who dare try to knock him off.

Floyd Mayweather agreed to be on the proverbial B-side when he faced Gatti and De La Hoya, he competed in multiple weight classes in order to obtain opportunities to compete against the sports "biggest" names, he made an effort to gain mainstream recognition by making appearances on 'Dancing With The Stars' and the WWE, as well as performing after-dinner speaking by touring multiple countries… and there is proof of GBP and Mayweather Promotions making substantial offers to the sports’ biggest names to face him.

Can you prove that Gennady Golovkin or his team have made similar efforts to market himself to the mainstream masses and secure the biggest fights possible?

I really don’t think anyone can and I also feel that’s the reason why his PPV buy-rates are so low and his level of competition is not so great, despite his enormous talents.

The difference is that Mayweather has always had money as his primary (by far) motivator. I think it is quite lower in Golovkin's decision making.

Tanzio wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Tanzio wrote: 3G is the king of the hill of boxing's 2nd most prestigious division. The challengers must climb that hill to meet him. His reign is reminiscent of Hagler and Monzon.

3G is the king. He is not hurting for money. He stands at the top and he has defeated all who dare try to knock him off.

Floyd Mayweather was on the proverbial B-side when he faced Gatti and De La Hoya, he competed in multiple weight classes in order to obtain opportunities to compete against the sports "biggest" names, he made an effort to gain mainstream recognition by making appearances on 'Dancing With The Stars' and the WWE, as well as performing after-dinner speaking by tours of multiple countries… and there is proof of GBP and Mayweather Promotions making substantial offers to the sports’ biggest names to face him.

Can you prove that Gennady Golovkin or his team have made similar efforts to market himself to the mainstream masses and secure the biggest fights possible?

I really don’t think anyone can and I also feel that’s the reason why his PPV buy-rates are so low, despite his enormous talents.

No argument here. 3G has much more Marvelous Marvin and Monzon in him than he does FMJ. I admire him for that.

Well, so long as he doesn't live to regret putting principle before his career. I suspect it's more to do with his manager thinking he's getting him the best deal. Remember Marquez, turning down a big money fight - think it was Pacquaio, to go to indonesia and lose his title for 100,000 USD? He soon realised after that, where the value lay.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Horse wrote:King of the paupers.

His bank balance is nowhere near as rich as it should be and neither is his record.

Golovkin will not be considered to be a real ATG by many in the future, if he doesn't humble himself and take what he is worth in negotiations with Alvarez and others on a higher level.

There is more to life than riches. If the GingerHeaded circus act wants to regain respect to go with his bank account he must climb the king's hill and challenge him.

Starving a hapless fool and putting on a jester's show may make him money but it will win back no respect.

3G is king. All others are pretenders, no matter the number attached to their name in the cloud.

It's not just about money, it's about opportunity, if he beats Canelo, he will become a huge star.

3G simply has a different set of principles and priorities than most. I find it refreshing.

Tanzio wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tanzio wrote: There is more to life than riches. If the GingerHeaded circus act wants to regain respect to go with his bank account he must climb the king's hill and challenge him.

Starving a hapless fool and putting on a jester's show may make him money but it will win back no respect.

3G is king. All others are pretenders, no matter the number attached to their name in the cloud.

It's not just about money, it's about opportunity, if he beats Canelo, he will become a huge star.

3G simply has a different set of principles and priorities than most. I find it refreshing.

We'll see. I reckon the canelo fight will happen in the end.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Floyd Mayweather was on the proverbial B-side when he faced Gatti and De La Hoya, he competed in multiple weight classes in order to obtain opportunities to compete against the sports "biggest" names, he made an effort to gain mainstream recognition by making appearances on 'Dancing With The Stars' and the WWE, as well as performing after-dinner speaking by tours of multiple countries… and there is proof of GBP and Mayweather Promotions making substantial offers to the sports’ biggest names to face him.

Can you prove that Gennady Golovkin or his team have made similar efforts to market himself to the mainstream masses and secure the biggest fights possible?

I really don’t think anyone can and I also feel that’s the reason why his PPV buy-rates are so low, despite his enormous talents.

No argument here. 3G has much more Marvelous Marvin and Monzon in him than he does FMJ. I admire him for that.

Well, so long as he doesn't live to regret putting principle before his career. I suspect it's more to do with his manager thinking he's getting him the best deal. Remember Marquez, turning down a big money fight - think it was Pacquaio, to go to indonesia and lose his title for 100,000 USD? He soon realised after that, where the value lay.

3G is no pauper.

Hagler was not the biggest draw but the biggest draws finally came to him. He has done quite well for himself.

3G has also done quite well and he is not done yet.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
It's not just about money, it's about opportunity, if he beats Canelo, he will become a huge star.

3G simply has a different set of principles and priorities than most. I find it refreshing.

We'll see. I reckon the canelo fight will happen in the end.

It is going exactly as some of us thought it would. GingerHead will scale the king's mountain only when he considers the king vulnerable enough. That should come around September 2018.

I think Canelo wants the fight, it's golden boy who don't. It's annoying, because I don't think a loss to GGG would harm his career, I don't think GGG will just blow him away, think Canelo is tough and skilled enough to make a fight of it, and they can have a rematch for another big pot.

In the meantime, I think rematches with Jacobs and Lemiuex will do ok, not huge numbers, but ok.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'm afraid I'm with Horse on this one.

If GGG want's to have the kind of career his talent deserves, he should take the short money, which will still be more than he has earned for any fight, beat Canelo, and get on with his career.

Fair enough. I think that it will happen in 2018 and 3G will ride off into the sunset with a large cache of treasure, a la Hagler (but hopefully with the W).

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think Canelo wants the fight, it's golden boy who don't. It's annoying, because I don't think a loss to GGG would harm his career, I don't think GGG will just blow him away, think Canelo is tough and skilled enough to make a fight of it, and they can have a rematch for another big pot.

In the meantime, I think rematches with Jacobs and Lemiuex will do ok, not huge numbers, but ok.

With every day that passes, GingerHead's chances v 3G improve.