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candyslim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Complete nonsense, the WBC admitted they were wrong? You're taking the prancing dutchmans word for it?

Where is he ranked with the WBC? It was an interesting fight, I haven't watched a Povetkin fight since he got his ass kicked by Huck. Wilder's combination of Awkward, Vulnerable, Power would have changed that. Too bad Povetkin couldn't dope properly.

No I didn't. I googled it to make sure it wasn't wishful thinking on his part. Sure enough there's an article about the statement from the WBC. I think the Huck fight was an aberration. Anyone can have a stinker can't they?

I think he might have found the height differential hard to cope with (Wilder being much more mobile that the likes of Wach who also towered over AP) and Wilder's right cross would have been a real threat against the shorter man. On the other hand Povetkin is much more talented than any previous victim of Wilder's and we've seen some pretty feeble opposition land punches on Wilder that have shaken him. If Molina could get to him I'm sure Povetkin could and when he hits 'em they tend to stay hit.

I can't honestly think of many match-ups at the top of the heavyweight tree that would be anywhere near as intriguing.

You can go back to sleep now if you like, I've said my piece for the moment.

Can't sleep, I'm working now. Have to settle for a

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

candyslim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Complete nonsense, the WBC admitted they were wrong? You're taking the prancing dutchmans word for it?

Where is he ranked with the WBC? It was an interesting fight, I haven't watched a Povetkin fight since he got his ass kicked by Huck. Wilder's combination of Awkward, Vulnerable, Power would have changed that. Too bad Povetkin couldn't dope properly.

No I didn't. I googled it to make sure it wasn't wishful thinking on his part. Sure enough there's an article about the statement from the WBC. I think the Huck fight was an aberration. Anyone can have a stinker can't they?

I think he might have found the height differential hard to cope with (Wilder being much more mobile that the likes of Wach who also towered over AP) and Wilder's right cross would have been a real threat against the shorter man. On the other hand Povetkin is much more talented than any previous victim of Wilder's and we've seen some pretty feeble opposition land punches on Wilder that have shaken him. If Molina could get to him I'm sure Povetkin could and when he hits 'em they tend to stay hit.

I can't honestly think of many match-ups at the top of the heavyweight tree that would be anywhere near as intriguing.

You can go back to sleep now if you like, I've said my piece for the moment.

Can't sleep, I'm working now. Have to settle for a

You got a job?!

PEDvetkin has been juiced to the gills for years, as have many boxers. He's just a hapless cheater.

asdfjkl wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

candyslim wrote:
No I didn't. I googled it to make sure it wasn't wishful thinking on his part. Sure enough there's an article about the statement from the WBC. I think the Huck fight was an aberration. Anyone can have a stinker can't they?

I think he might have found the height differential hard to cope with (Wilder being much more mobile that the likes of Wach who also towered over AP) and Wilder's right cross would have been a real threat against the shorter man. On the other hand Povetkin is much more talented than any previous victim of Wilder's and we've seen some pretty feeble opposition land punches on Wilder that have shaken him. If Molina could get to him I'm sure Povetkin could and when he hits 'em they tend to stay hit.

I can't honestly think of many match-ups at the top of the heavyweight tree that would be anywhere near as intriguing.

You can go back to sleep now if you like, I've said my piece for the moment.

Can't sleep, I'm working now. Have to settle for a

You got a job?!

Now that was funny

@ Tanzio: Yes I don't share asdfjkl's conviction that Povetkin has never touched drugs but you can't hang a man for looking like a villain can you?

candyslim wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Can't sleep, I'm working now. Have to settle for a

You got a job?!

Now that was funny

@ Tanzio: Yes I don't share asdfjkl's conviction that Povetkin has never touched drugs but you can't hang a man for looking like a villain can you?

Many men have been hanged for stupidity.

Tanzio wrote:PEDvetkin has been juiced to the gills for years, as have many boxers. He's just a hapless cheater.

Who hasn't ?

I don't want to start a separate thread (I am sure somebody will), but P...vetkin has been reinstated by WBO and WBA:

http://www.boxing.com/alexander_povetki ... rated.html

Tanzio wrote:

candyslim wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: You got a job?!

Now that was funny

@ Tanzio: Yes I don't share asdfjkl's conviction that Povetkin has never touched drugs but you can't hang a man for looking like a villain can you?

Many men have been hanged for stupidity.

There have also been killed men for saying the world is round, because they thought he was a lunatic.

Your safe asdfjkl. We're a lot kinder to lunatics these days

just kidding

If the Wilder vs Povetkin fight were to happen when it was supposed to, Wilder gets beat by the higher calibre fighter. Of course you can never say for sure with Wilders power, but % wise Povetkin is better.

Haven't really followed the doping investigation

Ossyrules wrote:If the Wilder vs Povetkin fight were to happen when it was supposed to, Wilder gets beat by the higher calibre fighter. Of course you can never say for sure with Wilders power, but % wise Povetkin is better.

Haven't really followed the doping investigation

Still, why did you call him a disgrace?

asdfjkl wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:If the Wilder vs Povetkin fight were to happen when it was supposed to, Wilder gets beat by the higher calibre fighter. Of course you can never say for sure with Wilders power, but % wise Povetkin is better.

Haven't really followed the doping investigation

Still, why did you call him a disgrace?

Can't recall if I did, but if I did, which is entirely possible, it'd be under the assumption he was a doper from the numerous failed tests

Ossyrules wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:If the Wilder vs Povetkin fight were to happen when it was supposed to, Wilder gets beat by the higher calibre fighter. Of course you can never say for sure with Wilders power, but % wise Povetkin is better.

Haven't really followed the doping investigation

Still, why did you call him a disgrace?

Can't recall if I did, but if I did, which is entirely possible, it'd be under the assumption he was a doper from the numerous failed tests

Ah, sad to see people still believe the lies the Americans spread all over the media, but I can understand.

I admire your loyalty Asdfjkl it's a commendable quality, but we cannot say with certainty that the guy has never taken PEDs. I mean the man is Russian and without wanting to portray him unfairly on the basis of national prejudice, it's probably fair to say that for a Russian sportsperson to give him or herself a pharmaceutical leg-up, isn't exactly stretching the bounds of credibility.

On the other hand, and I do pride myself on trying to keep an open mind, I think some of his detractors on here should at least wait until he's found guilty before pronouncing sentence. Many on here put 100% faith in the WBC for crying out loud, and utter not a word of criticism even though by their own admission, they unnecessarily fukced up one of the most intriguing title match-ups in the Heavyweight division for many years either due to their sheer ineptitude or, I suspect, even worse.

This has dealt a massive and shameful blow to a man who has not been genuinely caught doing anything he shouldn't and should therefore be entitled to be treated as an innocent and wronged man. Many will feel Deontay dodged a bullet as a result of this WBC shit-fest, but If you truly believe Wilder to be a genuine champion and not a pitiful imposter then you should be equally furious that yer man has been denied the opportunity to prove his quality by these incompetent and/or dishonest a-holes.

The truth is that if Wilder had been permitted to go through with the fight and soundly beat Povetkin in Moscow then he isn't stood sraring wistfully at Joshua in 2017 protesting to anyone who'll listen that he too is a champion and deserving of respect.

No doubt many of you will be thinking "Fukc me, he's off on one again, give it a rest FFS" but I find it hard to credit that you lot are really ok with this. even knowing that we can't do anything about it.

I do those of you the honour of addressing you in your own tongue ... Baaaaa, baaaaaa, baaa, baaaa.

Ward's "Father" only knows if Povetkin is fraud or not.
It is off topic, definitely, let us discuss about Mr. Wilder........

ValMar wrote:Ward's "Father" only knows if Povetkin is fraud or not.
It is off topic, definitely, let us discuss about Mr. Wilder........

Anyone with a lick of sense knows Povetkin is a ped abuser. That doesn't make him a fraud. Most athletes have done something. It's a rare breed of dumb to get popped twice.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:Ward's "Father" only knows if Povetkin is fraud or not.
It is off topic, definitely, let us discuss about Mr. Wilder........

Anyone with a lick of sense knows Povetkin is a ped abuser. That doesn't make him a fraud. Most athletes have done something. It's a rare breed of dumb to get popped twice.

But in thevend he didn't even get popped once in his entire life and neither has he ever had a pile of drugs in his car, like Wach, or Wilder, who claims his friend did it, but in reality it was a long long time ago when Wilder and Arreola met.

It's very easy to get popped twice, thrice whatever, if those doing the popping don't need to concern themselves with trivial questions like do the test results show wrongdoing or not?

I care about Povetkin for the same reason I care about Ortiz and yes, even Wilder, and that is because they are A-Grade, Top-spec, world-class heavyweights. As a fan of boxing with a particular fondness for the heavyweight division, I say you just cannot have too many of those.

candyslim wrote:It's very easy to get popped twice, thrice whatever, if those doing the popping don't need to concern themselves with trivial questions like do the test results show wrongdoing or not?

I care about Povetkin for the same reason I care about Ortiz and yes, even Wilder, and that is because they are A-Grade, Top-spec, world-class heavyweights. As a fan of boxing with a particular fondness for the heavyweight division, I say you just cannot have too many of those.

Candyslim, I must admit that you are used to make some very clever posts.

ValMar wrote:Ward's "Father" only knows if Povetkin is fraud or not.
It is off topic, definitely, let us discuss about Mr. Wilder........

Ward's Dad? ... surely he wasn't supplying Povetin ???

I don't think it is off-topic because being deprived of the opportunity to beat a fearsome opponent on his home soil (and worse than that having certain assholes - that Candslim character for one - suggesting it might have been a conspiracy to protect Wilder, and even that he might have been party to it) has led directly to Deontay being considered a flat-track bully who refuses to share the ring with anyone remotely capable of beating him unless he is being paid the kind of money that will permit him to ride off into sunset smiling under his bandages.

He is coming under all sorts of pressure to fight someone who's top level and all the belt-holders are signed up, the only A-Grader available to fight (after Stiverne) is Ortiz ... Gulp ... oh sh!t. If he'd beaten Sascha P he'd not be now getting all this grief.

So on a thread dealing with Wilder's vicissitudes and options, I think the Poviktim saga is very relevant and on-point.

ValMar wrote:

candyslim wrote:It's very easy to get popped twice, thrice whatever, if those doing the popping don't need to concern themselves with trivial questions like do the test results show wrongdoing or not?

I care about Povetkin for the same reason I care about Ortiz and yes, even Wilder, and that is because they are A-Grade, Top-spec, world-class heavyweights. As a fan of boxing with a particular fondness for the heavyweight division, I say you just cannot have too many of those.

Candyslim, I must admit that you are used to make some very clever posts.

I used to be a carpenter

but not really

Thanks ValMar

candyslim wrote:

ValMar wrote:

candyslim wrote:It's very easy to get popped twice, thrice whatever, if those doing the popping don't need to concern themselves with trivial questions like do the test results show wrongdoing or not?

I care about Povetkin for the same reason I care about Ortiz and yes, even Wilder, and that is because they are A-Grade, Top-spec, world-class heavyweights. As a fan of boxing with a particular fondness for the heavyweight division, I say you just cannot have too many of those.

Candyslim, I must admit that you are used to make some very clever posts.

I used to be a carpenter

but not really

Thanks ValMar

candyslim wrote:

ValMar wrote:Ward's "Father" only knows if Povetkin is fraud or not.
It is off topic, definitely, let us discuss about Mr. Wilder........

Ward's Dad? ... surely he wasn't supplying Povetin ???

I don't think it is off-topic because being deprived of the opportunity to beat a fearsome opponent on his home soil (and worse than that having certain assholes - that Candslim character for one - suggesting it might have been a conspiracy to protect Wilder, and even that he might have been party to it) has led directly to Deontay being considered a flat-track bully who refuses to share the ring with anyone remotely capable of beating him unless he is being paid the kind of money that will permit him to ride off into sunset smiling under his bandages.

He is coming under all sorts of pressure to fight someone who's top level and all the belt-holders are signed up, the only A-Grader available to fight (after Stiverne) is Ortiz ... Gulp ... oh sh!t. If he'd beaten Sascha P he'd not be now getting all this grief.

So on a thread dealing with Wilder's vicissitudes and options, I think the Poviktim saga is very relevant and on-point.

Ward's Dad - I mean SOG's "Heavenly Father"..... Of course, I am kidding....

ValMar wrote:Ward's "Father" only knows if Povetkin is fraud or not.
It is off topic, definitely, let us discuss about Mr. Wilder........

What does Golota have to do with Povetkin?

I knew that ValMar.Sometimes I like to deliberately misunderstand for the sake of making a joke. I'm sixty now and I think my wife has given up waiting for me to grow up

Heretic wrote:

ValMar wrote:Ward's "Father" only knows if Povetkin is fraud or not.
It is off topic, definitely, let us discuss about Mr. Wilder........

What does Golota have to do with Povetkin?

They are both "dodgy characters" from somewhere east of Berlin. Not sure a man called "heretic" should be involved in our theological discussion