Well, they both fought good, but still Spence was waited to do much better. By many. Now it's fair to say, that Spence is overrated. And I'm very disappointed with the scores.
Overrated in what sense? It was clearly a tricky match up for Spence considering he was in against a durable, awkward fighter who was also in his prime and much more experienced when it comes to these types of fights. In reality Porter could have been undefeated going into this fight, because it's not like he's ever laid down and got beaten handedly, even by Brook or Thurman (there was a bit of controversy surrounding the aftermath of those fights as well.)
I've always favored Crawford over Spence and I still favor Spence over everyone else in the division.
I felt Spence deserved the nod last night. Did he look spectacular? No. But he looked less than invincible against possibly the 3rd best fighter in the division. I wouldn't call Spence overrated, he's a fine fighter.
A lot of people were picking Spence confidently, including myself. Spence was thought to be a textbook boxer, who would school the brawler. But, as I saw it, Spence was outbrawled by Porter. He was taking more hard shots. He didn't look spectacular indeed, not even close to that, as I see this performance as a loss. That's why I'm saying, that Spence was overrated by many, including myself.
Yet I have always been calling Crawford the best as well. And now I'm even more sure about that.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 09:47
by Bandog
Spence wanted to beat Porter at his own game, and it was a mistake. He should have boxed him instead of slugging it out.
Reminds me of a similar stupid game plan when SRL lost close to Duran in 1980. Don't go toe to toe if it's your opponent's strength.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 10:16
by DrDuke
Bandog wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 09:47
Spence wanted to beat Porter at his own game, and it was a mistake. He should have boxed him instead of slugging it out.
Reminds me of a similar stupid game plan when SRL lost close to Duran in 1980. Don't go toe to toe if it's your opponent's strength.
Spence tried to box early, but failed. He was more convincing, when he began to fight.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Overrated in what sense? It was clearly a tricky match up for Spence considering he was in against a durable, awkward fighter who was also in his prime and much more experienced when it comes to these types of fights. In reality Porter could have been undefeated going into this fight, because it's not like he's ever laid down and got beaten handedly, even by Brook or Thurman (there was a bit of controversy surrounding the aftermath of those fights as well.)
I've always favored Crawford over Spence and I still favor Spence over everyone else in the division.
I felt Spence deserved the nod last night. Did he look spectacular? No. But he looked less than invincible against possibly the 3rd best fighter in the division. I wouldn't call Spence overrated, he's a fine fighter.
A lot of people were picking Spence confidently, including myself. Spence was thought to be a textbook boxer, who would school the brawler. But, as I saw it, Spence was outbrawled by Porter. He was taking more hard shots. He didn't look spectacular indeed, not even close to that, as I see this performance as a loss. That's why I'm saying, that Spence was overrated by many, including myself.
Yet I have always been calling Crawford the best as well. And now I'm even more sure about that.
More like Porter was underrated. Christ fans are retarded.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 10:33
by ValMar
Paci wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 05:57
I had it at 114-113 for Spence, 6-6 in rounds. That KD was the mainfactor.
Great fight!
I agree................
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Overrated in what sense? It was clearly a tricky match up for Spence considering he was in against a durable, awkward fighter who was also in his prime and much more experienced when it comes to these types of fights. In reality Porter could have been undefeated going into this fight, because it's not like he's ever laid down and got beaten handedly, even by Brook or Thurman (there was a bit of controversy surrounding the aftermath of those fights as well.)
I've always favored Crawford over Spence and I still favor Spence over everyone else in the division.
I felt Spence deserved the nod last night. Did he look spectacular? No. But he looked less than invincible against possibly the 3rd best fighter in the division. I wouldn't call Spence overrated, he's a fine fighter.
A lot of people were picking Spence confidently, including myself. Spence was thought to be a textbook boxer, who would school the brawler. But, as I saw it, Spence was outbrawled by Porter. He was taking more hard shots. He didn't look spectacular indeed, not even close to that, as I see this performance as a loss. That's why I'm saying, that Spence was overrated by many, including myself.
Yet I have always been calling Crawford the best as well. And now I'm even more sure about that.
Porter is a fine fighter as well. We may have very well seen the best Porter we've ever seen last night. Porter is the exact type of fighter who poses a threat to a textbook fighter like Spence. Looping shots, rough inside fighting, but can also box a bit and mix it up making him hard to time.
There was a reason all of their peers such as Garcia, Crawford, Thurman, Brook and most other fighters were calling it a 50/50 fight. It was damn near the exact fight most of them predicted.
I personally thought Spence would fare a bit better against Porter's tactics and adjust earlier in the fight, but that had just as much to do with what Porter brought to the table than Spence's capabilities as a fighter.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 17:13
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 17:15
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 17:51
by lazboy
Errol’s turning unlikeable. Twitter excuses as above, not interested in a Crawford fight and over-confidence as seen in the preflight buildup.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 19:06
by Ruthless-RKO
lazboy wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 17:51
Errol’s turning unlikeable. Twitter excuses as above, not interested in a Crawford fight and over-confidence as seen in the preflight buildup.
Yeh. He is doing that. In order for Spence to do a PPV, he needs a good dance partner and he knows it.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 19:13
by oogiebe
Spence's excuses are ridiculous. He won the fight against a very underrated Porter. He should just STFU.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 20:46
by lazboy
He needs a PR person or education.
I wonder if his comments will lead him to be the scapegoat re the Crawford situation . The general public don't have a full understanding of the promotional issues at the heart of this. He's just revealed not interest in facing Crawford at this time. Clearly this is the best fight in the welterweight division, and in the opinion of many (on this board at least), the best fight in boxing.
At least pretend you are interested. Let the professionals heap out the financial excuses and logistics.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 23:06
by Bandog
What Top Rank and Crawford need to do is send him an offer he can't refuse. So far they have done nothing. It's hard to call a duck if there is nothing to duck.
Spence needs to move up for his own health. Cutting way too much, and his power would be much better as well. He's big enough to fight 160.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 23:26
by RonnyJ
Bandog wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 23:06What Top Rank and Crawford need to do is send him an offer he can't refuse. So far they have done nothing. It's hard to call a duck if there is nothing to duck.
Spence needs to move up for his own health. Cutting way too much, and his power would be much better as well. He's big enough to fight 160.
i aggree with everything you said. people say spence ducks crawford because he says nothing. why do people aint saying crawford is ducking spence, because crawford aint saying nothing either.
it would take 5 secondes for crawford to write on twitter "I want Spence asap"
since i dont like crawford in and outside the ring i would prefer pac/spence, but since the whole boxing community wants spence/crawford and i am all for democracy i am for the fight to happen while both prime.
spence/munguai would be the BOMB
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 30 Sep 2019, 01:02
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 09:24
A lot of people were picking Spence confidently, including myself. Spence was thought to be a textbook boxer, who would school the brawler. But, as I saw it, Spence was outbrawled by Porter. He was taking more hard shots. He didn't look spectacular indeed, not even close to that, as I see this performance as a loss. That's why I'm saying, that Spence was overrated by many, including myself.
Yet I have always been calling Crawford the best as well. And now I'm even more sure about that.
- Nothing wrong with picking Crawford, but watching and your like minded DingDongs out bawl each other over a FOY candidate is unseemly if not effete.
No doubt the first time you saw Ali/Frazier 1 you burst out bawling. You don't deserve FOYs and what you know about scoring in the current outdated 10pt must system ain't demonstrable.
I don't like Al or the pbc, but this was a first rate card with Benavidez the new kid on the block. Spence was forced in a real fight by a blocky, athletic guy who turned pro at a solid 165 Lbs of HS football muscle well respected in training camps, far better than any welter Crawford has fought and adjusted beautifully. Shawn with tons more fans now and his richest payday, a win/win for everyone save bawling DingDongs.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 30 Sep 2019, 03:37
by Paci
This was something special.
Kudos to both guys. Nobody lost really. And both looked better tonight then before. Either a rematch or Spence will fight Manny how is goning to lose aganist Spence, Im sure of that.
Also Crawford is the top guy but who the hell is he going to fight next?
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
He’s either making excuses for his performance or he is openly admitting to lacking discipline, professionalism and intellect for failing to manage his own weight.
Whilst I appreciate my words can be misconstrued as being harsh, lets not forget that Spence Jr. is an experienced elite-level world-rated highly-accomplished professional athlete that has previously boasted about being a huge welterweight (a “weight-bully”) that bulldozes his opponents.
So the blame for him blowing-up to around the 190lbs mark between bouts and then having to lose 25lbs during his training camp falls squarely on his own shoulders.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 30 Sep 2019, 14:00
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
Posted: 30 Sep 2019, 19:23
by Evander
Spence seemed to edge it but you could rematch this right away.
Errol's strong will to win and ability to rejuvenate his boxing mechanisms throughout the bout showed his boxing class.
Even with his auto pilot on his senses were quite sound while under attack.
Shawn is bad ass man what a performance, Porter is one of those uneasy unorthodox Pernell Whitaker types of brothers I've seen at times..
Technically Porter looks simple to figure out, but he's so switched on and alert that he's anticipating planning and trying to execute all in one signal, he's a highly driven individual and impressive to watch.
The knockdown may have been the difference.
Re: Round-by-Round: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Shawn Porter - September 28, 2019
