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Do you suppose there is a get-out for Fury in the contract in the event the loser exercises his option but the purse offer(s) prove to be derisory? Obviously we can't know but would you think such a protective clause to be a likely inclusion?

I would bet that there is a minimum guarantee for both fighters already set up for the 3rd match. The 60/40 probably applies to the guarantee and then to the overall take.

Their 2nd fight did not lose money. Nobody got hosed in the deal. Once everything worldwide comes into the pot they made plenty of profit putting on that show.

There is also future earnings in play. Whoever wins the 3rd bout will be in a massively profitable situation going forward. If Wilder wins the 3rd bout he really has tons of lucrative options as a 4th fight with Fury is in play there. If Fury wins then the unification is his golden ticket with whoever that is. All parties involved still have massive earning potential in front of them.

Well according to Eddie Hearn they got rinsed but while I would expect his sources to be more reliable than yours, he is not going to tell the absolute truth unless it is to his advantage to do so. He's a promoter so you have to take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

I haven't seen any protests from anyone connected with the promotion denying what Hearn has claimed though.

I think Hearn is a bullshitter to the max on this. The USA PPV numbers generated about 68 million dollars. The gate generated about 17 million dollars. Add in the UK revenue....Australia and New Zealand.....all the other markets. This thing grossed way over 100 million dollars. There are fees to subtract from the gross ppv revenue and the gate but there is no way this thing lost money. The undercard drew 1.42 million viewers on average. Fox had a pre show that drew over 350K watches. They had sponsor money coming in too. The fight will also generate money overtime for these networks as they replay it. It is a classic bout...it will continue to bring in value for a long time.

ESPN+ is trying to grow the platform just like DAZN. DAZN has lost their arses on plenty of shows gaining entry and share in the market. Hearn has been paying fighters premiums to establish the base of viewers. He has no room to talk about making and losing money. He knows damn well it is not always about today when you are building for the future too.

Eddie wants to come up with some ridiculous amount of money to offer Wilder. If he could he would pay off Wilder and Pulev to get the Joshua vs Fury fight next. That is where future earnings also come into play for the Wilder Fury 3 winner. They can get into the big match without paying people off. There is so much money available in the unification pot that Hearn is outright telling people he is willing to try to pay off everybody to move it up. He is a double talker on this stuff out both sides of his mouth.

Bandog wrote: ↑01 Mar 2020, 08:54

Evander wrote: ↑01 Mar 2020, 03:05

I wouldn't if I was him, Wilder should rest and reflect and figure out his next move.

At 34 yrs old, a shot to get his belt back that may not be there otherwise. People may think I'm nuts, but AJ has a very good chance of beating Fury. It's not like it is a huge career risk for Wilder. More like an opportunity for redemption. He always will have a puncher's chance. In the old days guys would fight 3-4 weeks later after worse beatings and would be fine.

Add to that, Fury's claim of going on a coke binge after his win may work out in Wilder's favor. Fury may think he doesn't have to train this time.

There's a lot in there ^
It kind of is a career risk, in terms of were he to take the fight and suffer another significant loss like he just did against Fury would hurt his brand name so to speak which is why he's probably best taking a back seat and thinking it over.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 12:15 I think Hearn is a bullshitter to the max on this. ...

This thing grossed way over 100 million dollars. There are fees to subtract from the gross ppv revenue and the gate but there is no way this thing lost money.

It wasn't Eddie Hearn that originally made this claim, but as a rival of Top Rank and the PBC, he won't be too disappointed about the rumours circulating the media.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 12:15ESPN+ is trying to grow the platform just like DAZN. DAZN has lost their arses on plenty of shows gaining entry and share in the market. Hearn has been paying fighters premiums to establish the base of viewers. He has no room to talk about making and losing money. He knows damn well it is not always about today when you are building for the future too.

I think you’re right, but I also don’t believe Eddie Hearn is stupid, so he'll already appreciate this.

In fact he’s regularly moaned about having to overpay fighters due to the change in the market and DAZN’s objective to showcase marquee bouts.

However, I do feel that Fury and Wilder received anomalously high purses. They were definitely overpaid, which is abundantly clear when you review their payday history. This may be because Bob Arum had forecasted 2m PPV buys for this event, which was never a possibility.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 12:15Eddie wants to come up with some ridiculous amount of money to offer Wilder. If he could he would pay off Wilder and Pulev to get the Joshua vs Fury fight next.

That’s a hell of a lot of money to fork out to pay two fighters to step-aside that have a legal right to their fights.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 12:15That is where future earnings also come into play for the Wilder Fury 3 winner. They can get into the big match without paying people off.

Wilder-Fury III will not perform anywhere near as well as their previous bout, but the fighters will probably expect similar paydays.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 12:15There is so much money available in the unification pot that Hearn is outright telling people he is willing to try to pay off everybody to move it up. He is a double talker on this stuff out both sides of his mouth.

He hasn't actually said this though, has he?

He definitely hasn't claimed that Matchroom would be willing to pay both Wilder and Pulev to step-aside in order to make the Fury-Joshua bout.

Top Rank would need to pay-off a PBC fighter, Deontay Wilder. And Matchroom would need to pay-off a Top Rank fighter, Kubrat Pulev.

As Dillian Whyte said, Wilder has no other choice but to accept the fight.

The guy is 34 years old, he can't dodge the Fury rematch, and then fight 2 or 3 no name fights before fighting with Fury again, Wilder will obviously be even weaker than he is now if he does that, he would be 35 years old.

Ali was 32 years old when he fought Foreman in Rumble in the Jungle. And Wilder should dodge Fury now when he is 34? He has definitely no other choice but to defeat Fury in the third match somehow by landing that powerful right hand before getting KOed by Fury again. Wilder is cornered.

In my opinion, he will lose again, I give him %25 chance to win. And I think %25 is not that bad to try his chance again for the last time. And don't forget that, a cornered opponent would be even more dangerous because the third fight is everything for Wilder now, win all or lose all situation.

Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2020, 19:38 As Dillian Whyte said, Wilder has no other choice but to accept the fight.

The guy is 34 years old, he can't dodge the Fury rematch, and then fight 2 or 3 no name fights before fighting with Fury again, Wilder will obviously be even weaker than he is now if he does that, he would be 35 years old.

Ali was 32 years old when he fought Foreman in Rumble in the Jungle. And Wilder should dodge Fury now when he is 34? He has definitely no other choice but to defeat Fury in the third match somehow by landing that powerful right hand before getting KOed by Fury again. Wilder is cornered.

In my opinion, he will lose again, I give him %25 chance to win. And I think %25 is not that bad to try his chance again for the last time. And don't forget that, a cornered opponent would be even more dangerous because the third fight is everything for Wilder now, win all or lose all situation.

EXCELLENT POST !