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I would have preferred the Fury vs Joshua showdown for all the belts August time, but whatever.

I expect Fury to prevail, but I think Wilder might be much improved and more dangerous in their 3RD match(do these guys keep meeting until Wilder wins one?)and I could see Tyson losing some focus in camp with the prospect of seeing Deontay across the ring yet again. Hope not. Fury still has to train hard, be prepared and sharp and come in ready. If he does that and is 100% right, I think he beats Wilder again.

I have a major fear Tyson Fury get's a big cut & the fight will be called a technical draw. And we are set up for a 4th fight.

is there a rematch clause for this lol

pg_1 wrote: ↑27 May 2021, 08:05 I would have preferred the Fury vs Joshua showdown for all the belts August time, but whatever.

I expect Fury to prevail, but I think Wilder might be much improved and more dangerous in their 3RD match(do these guys keep meeting until Wilder wins one?)and I could see Tyson losing some focus in camp with the prospect of seeing Deontay across the ring yet again. Hope not. Fury still has to train hard, be prepared and sharp and come in ready. If he does that and is 100% right, I think he beats Wilder again.

I would be very surprised if Wilder does improve his boxing. I've seen all his fights from Stiverne 1, and haven't noticed anything discernable. Always fit, full credit to him for that
Fury has also kept the weight off, and looking trim in some holiday snaps ladt week

a lot of people thought he showed seriously improved boxing skills when losing every round to ortiz in the rematch...i have no clue what they were seeing

i think it became a bit trendy/hip/look at my special opinion for a bit to praise wilder's skill. reminds me of a thread one time where guys hyped up rocky marcianos defense lol


deontays got his nuclear missles, with some speed, heart, stamina but very little refinement. that's him, a lot of raw abilities but very little polish or complexity to solve. he aint changing now.

How did wilder have a successful ams career winning on points? Is it just he was sooooo long for cruiser he would hit people from extream range...

under questioned phenomena which truely is a mystery. He is 40-1 long rainy world champ that can’t box.... what was he like less than 2 years after picking up the gloves outponting olympians... once he found his power did he regress?

a more questionable thing to me is dom breazeale becoming an olympian

dude basically eats punches until his opponents wear themselves out....home simpson style

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 May 2021, 23:28 a more questionable thing to me is dom breazeale becoming an olympian

dude basically eats punches until his opponents wear themselves out....home simpson style

I didn’t know that. The worst am style I’ve ever seen. Flat footed, slow, zero head movement..

Was he much much lighter back then? I think I could out points breazeal for a bit until he clipped me and I get a one way ticket to icu...

gregregegg wrote: ↑27 May 2021, 23:24 How did wilder have a successful ams career winning on points? Is it just he was sooooo long for cruiser he would hit people from extream range...

under questioned phenomena which truely is a mystery. He is 40-1 long rainy world champ that can’t box.... what was he like less than 2 years after picking up the gloves outponting olympians... once he found his power did he regress?

I just checked his Amateur boxing record on Boxrec. Most of his wins are against very inexperienced guys and I don't recognise any of the names that he beat (I'm not as knowledgeable about the amateur game as most here). Could this be one where hindsight shows us that he had an easy run?

pg_1 wrote: ↑27 May 2021, 08:05 I expect Fury to prevail, but I think Wilder might be much improved and more dangerous in their 3RD match(do these guys keep meeting until Wilder wins one?)and I could see Tyson losing some focus in camp with the prospect of seeing Deontay across the ring yet again. Hope not. Fury still has to train hard, be prepared and sharp and come in ready. If he does that and is 100% right, I think he beats Wilder again.

Agree with this. He almost seems over-confident but its all part of the mind games im sure

KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 May 2021, 20:14

pg_1 wrote: ↑27 May 2021, 08:05 I would have preferred the Fury vs Joshua showdown for all the belts August time, but whatever.

I expect Fury to prevail, but I think Wilder might be much improved and more dangerous in their 3RD match(do these guys keep meeting until Wilder wins one?)and I could see Tyson losing some focus in camp with the prospect of seeing Deontay across the ring yet again. Hope not. Fury still has to train hard, be prepared and sharp and come in ready. If he does that and is 100% right, I think he beats Wilder again.

I would be very surprised if Wilder does improve his boxing. I've seen all his fights from Stiverne 1, and haven't noticed anything discernable. Always fit, full credit to him for that
Fury has also kept the weight off, and looking trim in some holiday snaps ladt week

I've seen most of Wilder's fights too. He was never beaten before until Fury destroyed him last time though, so I'm thinking he may have something to prove. If he wants to prove he's a real champ, he should be definitely looking to improve on his showing in Fury II and I won't write off Deontay's chances totally as he can punch as we've seen.

Good news that Fury has kept the weight off.

nmhz wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 05:28

pg_1 wrote: ↑27 May 2021, 08:05 I expect Fury to prevail, but I think Wilder might be much improved and more dangerous in their 3RD match(do these guys keep meeting until Wilder wins one?)and I could see Tyson losing some focus in camp with the prospect of seeing Deontay across the ring yet again. Hope not. Fury still has to train hard, be prepared and sharp and come in ready. If he does that and is 100% right, I think he beats Wilder again.

Agree with this. He almost seems over-confident but its all part of the mind games im sure

It's worth remembering that Fury has the best chin amongst the elite heavyweights.

His powers of recovery are already near legendary after the first Wilder fight.

Usyk and Joshua are obvious threats to Fury and maybe Whyte, Parker and Price too.

If Wilder is to win he needs to catch Fury early and he could, but it still doesn't mean he will win.

In hundreds of rounds of pro boxing, just how many of them has Deontay Wilder won?

Not too many.

It's certainly getting real hard to support Wilder in light of all that's happened - if only he'd kept his mouth shut.

It also looks like he's out of his depth against the elite.

Nevertheless I still hope he blasts Fury out of there but I can't believe it until I see it.

This is little more than a cash grab by the Wilder camp and I expect we may still see Fury v Joshua before the year is out.

joshj909 wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 04:37

gregregegg wrote: ↑27 May 2021, 23:24 How did wilder have a successful ams career winning on points? Is it just he was sooooo long for cruiser he would hit people from extream range...

under questioned phenomena which truely is a mystery. He is 40-1 long rainy world champ that can’t box.... what was he like less than 2 years after picking up the gloves outponting olympians... once he found his power did he regress?

I just checked his Amateur boxing record on Boxrec. Most of his wins are against very inexperienced guys and I don't recognise any of the names that he beat (I'm not as knowledgeable about the amateur game as most here). Could this be one where hindsight shows us that he had an easy run?

You can get an easyish run. but pretty rare you would get an easy run to the Olympic squad and then an easy run to a bronze. might be an easier run, but he had boxed less than 2 years at that point... i dont think 10 years experence prime long standing World champion wilder could win an olympic bronze...

I predict Wilder will KO Fury. Regardless, hopefully no rematch clauses for either guy, and the winner fights Joshua.

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:28 I predict Wilder will KO Fury. Regardless, hopefully no rematch clauses for either guy, and the winner fights Joshua.

That's bold.

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:30

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:28 I predict Wilder will KO Fury. Regardless, hopefully no rematch clauses for either guy, and the winner fights Joshua.

That's bold.

He's had plenty of time off to make the needed changes. He could control a fight if he learns to use his jab. Also if he went to the body of Fury with big shots instead of just head hunting, it would make a huge difference. My 2 cents. We'll see.

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:30

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:28 I predict Wilder will KO Fury. Regardless, hopefully no rematch clauses for either guy, and the winner fights Joshua.

That's bold.

He's had plenty of time off to make the needed changes. He could control a fight if he learns to use his jab. Also if he went to the body of Fury with big shots instead of just head hunting, it would make a huge difference. My 2 cents. We'll see.

Can't lie and say I wouldn't want that to happen, but I just don't see it.

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:30

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:28 I predict Wilder will KO Fury. Regardless, hopefully no rematch clauses for either guy, and the winner fights Joshua.

That's bold.

He's had plenty of time off to make the needed changes. He could control a fight if he learns to use his jab. Also if he went to the body of Fury with big shots instead of just head hunting, it would make a huge difference. My 2 cents. We'll see.

The problem with your claim that Wilder has “had plenty of time off to make the needed changes” is that the preying mantis on ice has never shown the desire nor the ability to learn/adjust/change.

Taking a flier on the absolute potential of Wilder to ktfo Fury is possibly worth the risk; especially if the odds in Fury’s favor amplify. But, predicting a Wilder victory based on his ability to learn/adjust is folly/wishful thinking.

wilder to shock fury by coming out southpaw and unloading a left handed railroad gun

wilder should be assertive and moving forward from the start, he cant let himself be backed up again. in theory fury being aggressive should present more ko opportunities, but realitty is that deontay being driven back throws him totally off his game and also smothers the right hand. and though a much bigger puncher than fury, fury is the one who's been stronger in clinches, up close, wrasling, etc

ironbeard wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 12:25

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 09:30

That's bold.

He's had plenty of time off to make the needed changes. He could control a fight if he learns to use his jab. Also if he went to the body of Fury with big shots instead of just head hunting, it would make a huge difference. My 2 cents. We'll see.

The problem with your claim that Wilder has “had plenty of time off to make the needed changes” is that the preying mantis on ice has never shown the desire nor the ability to learn/adjust/change.

Taking a flier on the absolute potential of Wilder to ktfo Fury is possibly worth the risk; especially if the odds in Fury’s favor amplify. But, predicting a Wilder victory based on his ability to learn/adjust is folly/wishful thinking.

Of course it is a long shot and wishful thinking. Both are loudmouths, so I hope it is a KO and no more rematches. I don't really care who wins. Imagine though if his jab is vastly improved, and hit Fury with several bombs in the midsection of Fury? Remember sometimes having a loss on your record makes you think you need improvement. Wilder has more of a puncher's chance than anyone.

I just don't get the Deontay video of him hitting the pads and working out with a trainer that's been circulating.
He didn't look good in that, who in Wilders team let that one pass without a bit of closer scrutiny.

Speaking to 78SportsTV YouTube Scott said:

“Muhammad Ali is one of my greatest fighters of all time. He very was magical in the ring. But it was the things he beat outside the ring that truly got my attention. Deontay Wilder is the closest thing to that in this time.”


^^

HAHAHA!!!

WTF has Wilder done outside the ring?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Jun 2021, 06:14 Speaking to 78SportsTV YouTube Scott said:

“Muhammad Ali is one of my greatest fighters of all time. He very was magical in the ring. But it was the things he beat outside the ring that truly got my attention. Deontay Wilder is the closest thing to that in this time.”


^^

HAHAHA!!!

WTF has Wilder done outside the ring?

I suspect that Wilder feels that repeatedly barking his “Til This Day!!!” catchphrase in a Tourette's Syndrome manner, whilst voicing his support for the BLM movement, makes him a prominent civil rights activist!