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oogiebe wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 20:11 More lies!!! Call the cops. IT's all lies!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 17:48

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 17:22
No one with half a brain looks at the names on a resume without also noting 'when' the wins came in the opponents career timeline. Stop your nonsense.

And yet you’re far more knowledgeable about Brian Nielsen’s opposition than Harry Greb’s.

You’ve never seen Harry Greb fight. And the limited amount of sparring footage that is available, appears to suggest that he was nowhere near as skilful as his legend.

I’m not saying Harry Greb wasn’t a great, but people are being pretentious and boasting expert knowledge about a fighter they’ve never seen fight, nor are the same individuals particularly familiar with his opposition either.

Bandog wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 15:58 poor attention starved devils advocate about everything.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 03:14

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 20:11 More lies!!! Call the cops. IT's all lies!

You really need to refrain from being lazy, because that video actually undermined your own argument and endorsed some of the claims I’ve regularly made! It's backfired my friend!

Please try and answer any of the following questions in the affirmative:

• How many people in that video you posted actually saw Harry Greb fight?

• How many snippets of Harry Greb’s bouts did that video show?

• Is the video correct in claiming Harry Greb competed in 294 bouts?

• Is the same video correct about claiming that Greb competed in 299 bouts?

• Is the video correct in claiming that Harry Greb only lost eight times?

• Is the video correct in claiming that Harry Greb was blind in one eye for the vast majority of his career?

• Is the video’s assertion of Harry Greb initially suffering a detached retina, due to being thumbed in the eye during the 1921 Kid Norfolk fight, supported by newspaper articles published around the same time?

• Would it be wrong for me to say that those commenting on Greb’s fighting style, were simply quoting the words of unnamed writers?

• Would it be wrong of me to claim that Harry Greb passed away more than a decade prior to Bert Sugar’s birth?

• Would it be wrong of me to say that Billy Conn’s opinion of Greb’s fighting style (as quoted by Bert Sugar) should be deemed as being unreliable, because the American fighter was only eight years of age on the date of Harry’s final bout?

• Would it be wrong of me to claim that several commentators in that video repeatedly used vague non-committal words like reputedly, allegedly, reputation, surmised etc?

• Is anyone able to provide a list of at least 250 bouts that Harry Greb competed in?

• Is the video correct in claiming Harry Greb was 32lbs lighter than Gene Tunney during their 1922 bout?

In terms of historical contribution to the sport of boxing, Harry Greb is definitely an all-time-great, but it’s categorically impossible for any human being to possess an educated opinion of his pugilistic fighting style, with sufficient knowledge to compare him to other legendary fighters in order to determine the potential outcome of any fantasy bouts.

We simply can’t make pound-for-pound or "whom would beat whom" comparisons for fighters where there isn’t any reliable eyewitness accounts or video evidence. Since no one can apply the proverbial eyeball test.

Duran1970 wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 18:58

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 18:44 To think that Greb can beat any of current top professional boxers or even be remotely competitive is as ridiculous as thinking that runners, swimmers, gymnasts, soccer players from 1920s can compete with top modern athletes.

Here we go again with the other sport comparisons..it's laughable
I'll take Greb over Canelo any day of the week

Duran1970 wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 10:20

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 03:14
You really need to refrain from being lazy, because that video actually undermined your own argument and endorsed some of the claims I’ve regularly made! It's backfired my friend!

Please try and answer any of the following questions in the affirmative:

• How many people in that video you posted actually saw Harry Greb fight?

• How many snippets of Harry Greb’s bouts did that video show?

• Is the video correct in claiming Harry Greb competed in 294 bouts?

• Is the same video correct about claiming that Greb competed in 299 bouts?

• Is the video correct in claiming that Harry Greb only lost eight times?

• Is the video correct in claiming that Harry Greb was blind in one eye for the vast majority of his career?

• Is the video’s assertion of Harry Greb initially suffering a detached retina, due to being thumbed in the eye during the 1921 Kid Norfolk fight, supported by newspaper articles published around the same time?

• Would it be wrong for me to say that those commenting on Greb’s fighting style, were simply quoting the words of unnamed writers?

• Would it be wrong of me to claim that Harry Greb passed away more than a decade prior to Bert Sugar’s birth?

• Would it be wrong of me to say that Billy Conn’s opinion of Greb’s fighting style (as quoted by Bert Sugar) should be deemed as being unreliable, because the American fighter was only eight years of age on the date of Harry’s final bout?

• Would it be wrong of me to claim that several commentators in that video repeatedly used vague non-committal words like reputedly, allegedly, reputation, surmised etc?

• Is anyone able to provide a list of at least 250 bouts that Harry Greb competed in?

• Is the video correct in claiming Harry Greb was 32lbs lighter than Gene Tunney during their 1922 bout?

In terms of historical contribution to the sport of boxing, Harry Greb is definitely an all-time-great, but it’s categorically impossible for any human being to possess an educated opinion of his pugilistic fighting style, with sufficient knowledge to compare him to other legendary fighters in order to determine the potential outcome of any fantasy bouts.

We simply can’t make pound-for-pound or "whom would beat whom" comparisons for fighters where there isn’t any reliable eyewitness accounts or video evidence. Since no one can apply the proverbial eyeball test.

I can provide a list of the 294 bouts Greb took part in

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 10:24

Duran1970 wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 18:58

Here we go again with the other sport comparisons..it's laughable
I'll take Greb over Canelo any day of the week

Ha-ha-ha. Boxing is special compared to other sports It is not progressing

Greb wouldn't beat Ryder or even Darnell Boone.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑29 Mar 2020, 01:41 i remember like 20 years ago a historian had fitzsimmons as the greatest boxer p4p ever. time changed

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 03:14

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 May 2020, 20:11 More lies!!! Call the cops. IT's all lies!

You really need to refrain from being lazy, because that video actually undermined your own argument and endorsed some of the claims I’ve regularly made! It's backfired my friend!

Please try and answer any of the following questions in the affirmative:

• How many people in that video you posted actually saw Harry Greb fight?

• How many snippets of Harry Greb’s bouts did that video show?

• Is the video correct in claiming Harry Greb competed in 294 bouts?

• Is the same video correct about claiming that Greb competed in 299 bouts?

• Is the video correct in claiming that Harry Greb only lost eight times?

• Is the video correct in claiming that Harry Greb was blind in one eye for the vast majority of his career?

• Is the video’s assertion of Harry Greb initially suffering a detached retina, due to being thumbed in the eye during the 1921 Kid Norfolk fight, supported by newspaper articles published around the same time?

• Would it be wrong for me to say that those commenting on Greb’s fighting style, were simply quoting the words of unnamed writers?

• Would it be wrong of me to claim that Harry Greb passed away more than a decade prior to Bert Sugar’s birth?

• Would it be wrong of me to say that Billy Conn’s opinion of Greb’s fighting style (as quoted by Bert Sugar) should be deemed as being unreliable, because the American fighter was only eight years of age on the date of Harry’s final bout?

• Would it be wrong of me to claim that several commentators in that video repeatedly used vague non-committal words like reputedly, allegedly, reputation, surmised etc?

• Is anyone able to provide a list of at least 250 bouts that Harry Greb competed in?

• Is the video correct in claiming Harry Greb was 32lbs lighter than Gene Tunney during their 1922 bout?

In terms of historical contribution to the sport of boxing, Harry Greb is definitely an all-time-great, but it’s categorically impossible for any human being to possess an educated opinion of his pugilistic fighting style, with sufficient knowledge to compare him to other legendary fighters in order to determine the potential outcome of any fantasy bouts.

We simply can’t make pound-for-pound or "whom would beat whom" comparisons for fighters where there isn’t any reliable eyewitness accounts or video evidence. Since no one can apply the proverbial eyeball test.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 16:36

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 03:14
You really need to refrain from being lazy, because that video actually undermined your own argument and endorsed some of the claims I’ve regularly made! It's backfired my friend!

Please try and answer any of the following questions in the affirmative:

• How many people in that video you posted actually saw Harry Greb fight?

• How many snippets of Harry Greb’s bouts did that video show?

• Is the video correct in claiming Harry Greb competed in 294 bouts?

• Is the same video correct about claiming that Greb competed in 299 bouts?

• Is the video correct in claiming that Harry Greb only lost eight times?

• Is the video correct in claiming that Harry Greb was blind in one eye for the vast majority of his career?

• Is the video’s assertion of Harry Greb initially suffering a detached retina, due to being thumbed in the eye during the 1921 Kid Norfolk fight, supported by newspaper articles published around the same time?

• Would it be wrong for me to say that those commenting on Greb’s fighting style, were simply quoting the words of unnamed writers?

• Would it be wrong of me to claim that Harry Greb passed away more than a decade prior to Bert Sugar’s birth?

• Would it be wrong of me to say that Billy Conn’s opinion of Greb’s fighting style (as quoted by Bert Sugar) should be deemed as being unreliable, because the American fighter was only eight years of age on the date of Harry’s final bout?

• Would it be wrong of me to claim that several commentators in that video repeatedly used vague non-committal words like reputedly, allegedly, reputation, surmised etc?

• Is anyone able to provide a list of at least 250 bouts that Harry Greb competed in?

• Is the video correct in claiming Harry Greb was 32lbs lighter than Gene Tunney during their 1922 bout?

In terms of historical contribution to the sport of boxing, Harry Greb is definitely an all-time-great, but it’s categorically impossible for any human being to possess an educated opinion of his pugilistic fighting style, with sufficient knowledge to compare him to other legendary fighters in order to determine the potential outcome of any fantasy bouts.

We simply can’t make pound-for-pound or "whom would beat whom" comparisons for fighters where there isn’t any reliable eyewitness accounts or video evidence. Since no one can apply the proverbial eyeball test.

You can't be serious. You're taking the piss right?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 17:08

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 16:36

You can't be serious. You're taking the piss right?

You posted a video that perfectly illustrated the point I’ve been making all along.

I couldn’t have found a better video to support my stance if I had spent several hours trying to do so.

My questions about your video are easy to answer and make my argument much more compelling.

Thanks for posting the video oogiebe, it’s really appreciated to have someone on my side for a change.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 17:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 17:08
You posted a video that perfectly illustrated the point I’ve been making all along.

I couldn’t have found a better video to support my stance if I had spent several hours trying to do so.

My questions about your video are easy to answer and make my argument much more compelling.

Thanks for posting the video oogiebe, it’s really appreciated to have someone on my side for a change.

You're like the Walter Mitty of Boxrec.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 19:34 Ricardo mayorga and Antonio margarito were top fighters in this era. Do you think greb has less craft than them?

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 03:34

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 19:34 Ricardo mayorga and Antonio margarito were top fighters in this era. Do you think greb has less craft than them?

you only have to watch jarrett hurd to see the craftsmanship of modern fighters

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 02:53

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 May 2020, 17:15

You're like the Walter Mitty of Boxrec.

Try answering the questions oogiebe, any of them, just a few will do if the effort seems too taxing to you.

If you know a lot about Harry Greb, it'll only take you a few seconds to answer several of them. That doesn't sound too unreasonable right?

But please remember to consider the context of my questions relates to the claims made in your video?

For instance, your video contains audio of Bert Sugar (who was born a decade after Harry’s death), telling a story about how the eight-year-old version of Billy Conn believed Greb to be the greatest fighter he ever saw! Where’s the prestige in that?

My questions are designed to force you to recognise and concede the multitude of inconsistencies and factual inaccuracies contained within your own video.

If your video didn't contain so many flaws, then I wouldn’t have been capable of posing so many inconvenient questions. That's the reason why my previous post looks so daunting and lengthy!

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 10:39

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 02:53
Try answering the questions oogiebe, any of them, just a few will do if the effort seems too taxing to you.

If you know a lot about Harry Greb, it'll only take you a few seconds to answer several of them. That doesn't sound too unreasonable right?

But please remember to consider the context of my questions relates to the claims made in your video?

For instance, your video contains audio of Bert Sugar (who was born a decade after Harry’s death), telling a story about how the eight-year-old version of Billy Conn believed Greb to be the greatest fighter he ever saw! Where’s the prestige in that?

My questions are designed to force you to recognise and concede the multitude of inconsistencies and factual inaccuracies contained within your own video.

If your video didn't contain so many flaws, then I wouldn’t have been capable of posing so many inconvenient questions. That's the reason why my previous post looks so daunting and lengthy!

What's your point?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 18:41

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 10:39
What's your point?

The point is, very little is known about Harry Greb.

Even some of the well-known old-timers appear to know very little about him. It’s all about third hand knowledge.

Every time I read/hear about someone talking about Greb, the goalposts keep moving, there’s very little consistency. Your video proved that.

And the yet, people sincerely believe that a fighter they’ve never even saw fight, is capable of beating today’s top dogs.

I can easily and quickly quote several posts illustrating this point if you haven’t been paying attention.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 14:50 Hey EO, they over there in the history section worshipping Greb and laughing at you, you MUST defend your honour bruhster

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 18:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 18:41
The point is, very little is known about Harry Greb.

Even some of the well-known old-timers appear to know very little about him. It’s all about third hand knowledge.

Every time I read/hear about someone talking about Greb, the goalposts keep moving, there’s very little consistency. Your video proved that.

And the yet, people sincerely believe that a fighter they’ve never even saw fight, is capable of beating today’s top dogs.

I can easily and quickly quote several posts illustrating this point if you haven’t been paying attention.

I think many disagree with you.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 18:49

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 18:44
I think many disagree with you.

They’re welcome to disagree, but even you can’t disprove any of my claims.

I’ll give you credit, you at least tried when you posted that video, but it ended up backfiring, didn’t it?

You read my questions... and instantly thought “oh f#ck! he’s right!”, because you know for certain the obvious answers make a mockery of the claims made in that video you posted.

Like I said before, people can disagree, but they can’t even answer simple questions about the subject matter under discussion.

They’re simply lemmings trying to fit in.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 18:45

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 14:50 Hey EO, they over there in the history section worshipping Greb and laughing at you, you MUST defend your honour bruhster

I’m happy to defend my opinion in that board too.
The can “laugh“ all they want, if what you say is true (which I doubt), but they can’t provide a single shred of evidence to disprove anything I’ve claimed.

You can’t, others can’t... so I guess that’s pretty funny!