I've never seen Pacquiao fight that he wasn't trying to win.
Maybe it was the shoulder, maybe it was his age, but very seldomly did he try to sell out to win. Cotto took more risks against Floyd and Cotto is more susceptible to being stopped than Pacquiao is.
Could just be a styles make fights thing.
I don't buy the shoulder excuse. I think that was just his way of lobbying for a rematch.
Sure, but you can't simply say that without admitting that Pacquiao's 2015 style was far safer than his 2010 style.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 21:21
Maybe it was the shoulder, maybe it was his age, but very seldomly did he try to sell out to win. Cotto took more risks against Floyd and Cotto is more susceptible to being stopped than Pacquiao is.
Could just be a styles make fights thing.
I don't buy the shoulder excuse. I think that was just his way of lobbying for a rematch.
Sure, but you can't simply say that without admitting that Pacquiao's 2015 style was far safer than his 2010 style.
Yeah it was.
In 2010 he would've been a lot more aggressive, but that works both ways. Him being more aggressive means Floyd would've had more to counter.
It would've been a better fight all around.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Jul 2020, 13:59
It seems that people are trying to bury inconvenient facts beneath irrelevant posts, because they find them embarrassing.
Pacquiao was too scared to take the Mayweather fight in 2010, because of drug testing.
Both teams had agreed the financial terms and drug testing was the only reason why the bout didn’t take place in 2010.
Whilst you're busy implying that Pacquiao was juicing, what about Mayweather?
As far as we know, neither failed a test, but do you believe he was clean?
A yes or no answer will do, thank you.
X2...
Anti PAC fans will say he was scared of a test but maybe that lowball 40 mill offer had something to do with it
Mayweather and Pacquiao’s handlers had agreed the financial terms, the venue and the date of the bout.
The only stumbling block was Pacquiao’s refusal to undergo drug testing.
There’s a YouTube video of Manny being interviewed and confirming his refusal to agree to the terms demanding he had to undergo PED testing.
The $40m purse agreed upon during 2010 definitely wasn’t a lowball offer.
Instead of making up fictional excuses, do your research.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Anti PAC fans will say he was scared of a test but maybe that lowball 40 mill offer had something to do with it
Mayweather and Pacquiao’s handlers had agreed the financial terms, the venue and the date of the bout.
The only stumbling block was Pacquiao’s refusal to undergo drug testing.
There’s a YouTube video of Manny being interviewed and confirming his refusal to agree to the terms demanding he had to undergo PED testing.
The $40m purse agreed upon during 2010 definitely wasn’t a lowball offer.
Instead of making up fictional excuses, do your research.
PACs handlers never agreed to the 40 mill flat fee
I'm talking about the 2010 situation not the 2012 $40m flat fee offer Mayweather made.
Here's an extract of an ESPN article published 23rd December 2009, which nobody from this forum appears to remember... or they choose not to:
Schaefer said he and Todd duBoef had "worked out all other issues related to the fight," disclosing to ESPN.com that the fight would be at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, if they can work out the drug testing issue.
"We have agreed on all terms, including the site," Schaefer said.
"Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight," Richard Schaefer said. "He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight."
"We're going in a different direction," Bob Arum told the Grand Rapids newspaper. "What I believe is that Floyd never really wanted the fight and this is just harassment of Pacquiao.
"We appeased Mayweather by agreeing to a urine analysis at any time, and blood testing before the press conference and after the fight. Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn't want the fight."
I've even posted videos of Manny Pacquiao discussing his reluctance to undergo drug testing, with one of them confirming that the Mayweather Jr. bout fell through because of him refusing to be tested by USADA.
Bob Arum claimed Mayweather's demands for Manny to be tested was harassment! Isn't it weird how times have changed?
Because Bob Arum' s stance on drug testing has since undergone a 180 degree U-turn.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Posted: 11 Jul 2020, 10:19
by Enlightened-One
This is so funny because Pactards are living in denial!
I’ve posted videos and interview transcripts proving that Manny Pacquiao refused to take March 13th 2010 fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr., even though all the terms had been agreed, due to his refusal to undergo random unannounced Olympic-style drug testing, but these imbeciles continue to claim it didn’t happen!
How funny is this?
They refuse to acknowledge well-documented historical real-world facts, because it doesn’t adhere to their preferred narrative.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
I really do hope someone is stupid enough to challenge me on this.
He beat someone he ducked to that's impossible to refute as well. What actually happened in the ring is even more impossible to refute.
What on earth are you talking about?
I claimed that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather in 2010. Manny refused to undergo Olympic-style drug testing.
Some sections of the media claim that decision cost him $40m.
And when Mayweather finally got his hands on Pacquaio, the American absolutely dominated the Filipino.
That in ring action is more concrete than why someone ducked someone then fight them. What your reason why he ducked him in 2010 and then fought him later? Usually when guys duck the never fight the guy.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
He beat someone he ducked to that's impossible to refute as well. What actually happened in the ring is even more impossible to refute.
What on earth are you talking about?
I claimed that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather in 2010. Manny refused to undergo Olympic-style drug testing.
Some sections of the media claim that decision cost him $40m.
And when Mayweather finally got his hands on Pacquaio, the American absolutely dominated the Filipino.
That in ring action is more concrete than why someone ducked someone then fight them. What your reason why he ducked him in 2010 and then fought him later? Usually when guys duck the never fight the guy.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather Jr. in 2010.
It happened. There’s nothing anybody can do about it.
Yet Pactards fanboys keep insisting Floyd kept running from Manny, whilst choosing to ignore real world facts no one can dispute.
Are you seriously claiming Pacquiao didn’t duck Mayweather in 2010?
How much evidence do you need?
Or is it a case of you preferring to ignore any facts you personally dislike?
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Jul 2020, 09:49
What on earth are you talking about?
I claimed that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather in 2010. Manny refused to undergo Olympic-style drug testing.
Some sections of the media claim that decision cost him $40m.
And when Mayweather finally got his hands on Pacquaio, the American absolutely dominated the Filipino.
That in ring action is more concrete than why someone ducked someone then fight them. What your reason why he ducked him in 2010 and then fought him later? Usually when guys duck the never fight the guy.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather Jr. in 2010.
It happened. There’s nothing anybody can do about it.
Yet Pactards fanboys keep insisting Floyd kept running from Manny, whilst choosing to ignore real world facts no one can dispute.
Are you seriously claiming Pacquiao didn’t duck Mayweather in 2010?
I don't think regardless of what ever proof you have i refused to believe that a guy ducked someone only later to fight them in any case. It defeats the definition of ducking.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
That in ring action is more concrete than why someone ducked someone then fight them. What your reason why he ducked him in 2010 and then fought him later? Usually when guys duck the never fight the guy.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather Jr. in 2010.
It happened. There’s nothing anybody can do about it.
Yet Pactards fanboys keep insisting Floyd kept running from Manny, whilst choosing to ignore real world facts no one can dispute.
Are you seriously claiming Pacquiao didn’t duck Mayweather in 2010?
I don't think regardless of what ever proof you have i refused to believe that a guy ducked someone only later to fight them in any case. It defeats the definition of ducking.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather Jr. during 2010, because he was a dirty drug cheat. He didn’t want to be tested.
He subsequently racked up a massive tax debt.
He needed the money so badly that he didn’t care about suffering defeat, so he changed his mind and took the payday.
Pactards keep pretending Floyd was running scared of Manny and only agreed to fight him after the Filipino became past-his-prime, despite what occurred during 2010 and 2012.
Nobody has a time machine.
Nobody can rewrite the course of history.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather.
It happened!
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Jul 2020, 13:31
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather Jr. in 2010.
It happened. There’s nothing anybody can do about it.
Yet Pactards fanboys keep insisting Floyd kept running from Manny, whilst choosing to ignore real world facts no one can dispute.
Are you seriously claiming Pacquiao didn’t duck Mayweather in 2010?
I don't think regardless of what ever proof you have i refused to believe that a guy ducked someone only later to fight them in any case. It defeats the definition of ducking.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather Jr. during 2010, because he was a dirty drug cheat. He didn’t want to be tested.
He subsequently racked up a massive tax debt.
He needed the money so badly that he didn’t care about suffering defeat, so he changed his mind and took the payday.
Pactards keep pretending Floyd was running scared of Manny and only agreed to fight him after the Filipino became past-his-prime, despite what occurred during 2010 and 2012.
Nobody has a time machine.
Nobody can rewrite the course of history.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather.
It happened!
If Pacquaio needed the money when they fought he needed the money in 2010. Please define the term "ducking". Again I've never knew an incident where a fighter duck someone and still fought them. Please named another fighter who ducked someone only latter to fight them?
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
I don't think regardless of what ever proof you have i refused to believe that a guy ducked someone only later to fight them in any case. It defeats the definition of ducking.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather Jr. during 2010, because he was a dirty drug cheat. He didn’t want to be tested.
He subsequently racked up a massive tax debt.
He needed the money so badly that he didn’t care about suffering defeat, so he changed his mind and took the payday.
Pactards keep pretending Floyd was running scared of Manny and only agreed to fight him after the Filipino became past-his-prime, despite what occurred during 2010 and 2012.
Nobody has a time machine.
Nobody can rewrite the course of history.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather.
It happened!
If Pacquaio needed the money when they fought he needed the money in 2010. Please define the term "ducking". Again I've never knew an incident where a fighter duck someone and still fought them. Please named another fighter who ducked someone only latter to fight them?
Instead of making things up, prove it?
How much debt was Manny in during 2010 and back it up with evidence?
I’ve backed up every single claim, using proof, but you clearly can’t.
It’s fun seeing you squirm and creativity fabricate excuses for Manny’s ducking during 2010.
Come on kid, instead of lying, tell the truth by admitting that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather in 2010.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather Jr. during 2010, because he was a dirty drug cheat. He didn’t want to be tested.
He subsequently racked up a massive tax debt.
He needed the money so badly that he didn’t care about suffering defeat, so he changed his mind and took the payday.
Pactards keep pretending Floyd was running scared of Manny and only agreed to fight him after the Filipino became past-his-prime, despite what occurred during 2010 and 2012.
Nobody has a time machine.
Nobody can rewrite the course of history.
Pacquiao ducked Mayweather.
It happened!
If Pacquaio needed the money when they fought he needed the money in 2010. Please define the term "ducking". Again I've never knew an incident where a fighter duck someone and still fought them. Please named another fighter who ducked someone only latter to fight them?
Instead of making things up, prove it?
How much debt was Manny in during 2010 and back it up with evidence?
I’ve backed up every single claim, using proof, but you clearly can’t.
It’s fun seeing you squirm and creativity fabricate excuses for Manny’s ducking during 2010.
Come on kid, instead of lying, tell the truth by admitting that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather in 2010.
Again please tell me anyone else who has ducked someone they fought. That makes no sense. Please define ducking please you yet to. You so focus on your theories or "facts" that you seem to forget they actually fought. You can't not need money and then need it. Fighters always need money and a big reason why they fight so that's exclude your he needed money claim.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Whilst you're busy implying that Pacquiao was juicing, what about Mayweather?
As far as we know, neither failed a test, but do you believe he was clean?
A yes or no answer will do, thank you.
X2...
Anti PAC fans will say he was scared of a test but maybe that lowball 40 mill offer had something to do with it
Mayweather and Pacquiao’s handlers had agreed the financial terms, the venue and the date of the bout.
The only stumbling block was Pacquiao’s refusal to undergo drug testing.
There’s a YouTube video of Manny being interviewed and confirming his refusal to agree to the terms demanding he had to undergo PED testing.
The $40m purse agreed upon during 2010 definitely wasn’t a lowball offer.
Instead of making up fictional excuses, do your research.
- Your pretentious boxing expert facade has developed so many cracks in it that you no longer know which one to do your daily squat that informs forms your current soiled mess.
The purse terms were quickly hammered out in 2010 with Floydsy reserving the date and venue that fit in with Manny's political schedule. It was a 50/50 split with a record setting purse guarantee much like Ali/Frazier I and Ali/Foreman were. Fight fans everywhere were estatic over this first ever Ring P4P shootout, but then...
At the witching hour Floydsy inserts his infamous non standard "Olympic drug testing" demand that Floydsy never once adhered to in his boxing or promotional life, actually becoming a notorious drug cheats in both endeavors.
They entered into last minute offers as Floydsy went down and Manny went up until they were down to the final blood testing date.
Manny has obviously met every drug testing requirement in his career with nary a single failed test, whisper of a failed test, or refusal of a test.
So time for you to get out your Sharpie Permanent Marker to draw a circle around your primary offending crack so you can chose the correct one to squat to that will save you your current state of embarrassing circumstances.
And remember, 6 yrs later Floydsy refused to sign drug testing penalty contract of a paltry $5k in a fight netting him over $200 mil that aptly earned him his Backdated TUE moniker when not referring to his baby mama beater days, but hey ho, no biggie in EnFrightenedOne world, right?
Yeah
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Posted: 11 Jul 2020, 19:45
by margaret thatcher
Shots fired
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Anti PAC fans will say he was scared of a test but maybe that lowball 40 mill offer had something to do with it
Mayweather and Pacquiao’s handlers had agreed the financial terms, the venue and the date of the bout.
The only stumbling block was Pacquiao’s refusal to undergo drug testing.
There’s a YouTube video of Manny being interviewed and confirming his refusal to agree to the terms demanding he had to undergo PED testing.
The $40m purse agreed upon during 2010 definitely wasn’t a lowball offer.
Instead of making up fictional excuses, do your research.
- Your pretentious boxing expert facade has developed so many cracks in it that you no longer know which one to do your daily squat that informs forms your current soiled mess.
The purse terms were quickly hammered out in 2010 with Floydsy reserving the date and venue that fit in with Manny's political schedule. It was a 50/50 split with a record setting purse guarantee much like Ali/Frazier I and Ali/Foreman were. Fight fans everywhere were estatic over this first ever Ring P4P shootout, but then...
At the witching hour Floydsy inserts his infamous non standard "Olympic drug testing" demand that Floydsy never once adhered to in his boxing or promotional life, actually becoming a notorious drug cheats in both endeavors.
They entered into last minute offers as Floydsy went down and Manny went up until they were down to the final blood testing date.
Manny has obviously met every drug testing requirement in his career with nary a single failed test, whisper of a failed test, or refusal of a test.
So time for you to get out your Sharpie Permanent Marker to draw a circle around your primary offending crack so you can chose the correct one to squat to that will save you your current state of embarrassing circumstances.
And remember, 6 yrs later Floydsy refused to sign drug testing penalty contract of a paltry $5k in a fight netting him over $200 mil that aptly earned him his Backdated TUE moniker when not referring to his baby mama beater days, but hey ho, no biggie in EnFrightenedOne world, right?
Yeah
There was nothing last-minute about the March 12th 2010 fight-date that GBP & Top Rank had agreed to, because the terms were negotiated and everything agreed in 2009, except for the PED testing.
I’ve provided interview transcripts proving Mayweather insisted on Olympic style drug testing administered by USADA that adhered to the WADA code.
There was nothing non-standard about it.
Manny didn’t want any blood based testing.
He rejected a (then) career best payday to face Floyd Mayweather Jr. because he didn’t want to be exposed as a drug cheat.
Manny already held the WBO world welterweight title at this point in time, which was a belt he captured from Miguel Cotto. So he wasn’t making a jump in weight class.
And after ducking Floyd Mayweather Jr., he performed a title defence against Joshua Clottey instead.
I’ve already provided a YouTube video of Manny confirming this and an ESPN article quoting the words of GBP’s Richard Schaefer and Top Rank’s Bob Arum and Todd Duboef.
Stop pretending to rewrite history and do your research.
Manny ducked Floyd in 2010.
It happened.
It is categorically impossible for any human being to disprove this claim.
Time machine’s don’t exist.
No one can go back in time to change the real-world events I’ve accurately described.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Posted: 12 Jul 2020, 00:59
by Enlightened-One
Manny ducked Floyd in 2010.
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Posted: 12 Jul 2020, 02:40
by The Gratest
Yo Spock, what did Manny Pac ever do to the Vulcans?
Re: Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights
Posted: 12 Jul 2020, 09:23
by Duran1970
Funny that you think everything that comes out of promoters mouths is gospel..
Why didn't Floyd accept the testing PAC camp wanted? After all, he gets all the other stipulations..was it because he didn't want PAC using PHDs?? Well Floyd was a user as well..that's proven in the PAC fight..
One could say Floyd ducked Manny..if he really wanted the fight he would've accepted the other testing method.
Gotta look at it from both sides.
