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Ezzard wrote: ↑03 Jan 2026, 05:06 It's a shame how people get so emotional about these two. Both sets of fans, as evidenced here, still squeal their mantras and yet the actual boxers got over it all years ago.

I love all the guys from that era and are so thankful for what these two gave us.

It's as shame that we keep hearing about these crybaby excuse for Duran.
Yeah a lot of people don't like it that we are supposed to give credit to Duran for winning the first fight, but Leaonard doesn't get it for the 2nd fight.

If Duran fans would just say their guy won the first fight and Leonard won the second, we wouldn't have all this crap.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Jan 2026, 15:36

Ezzard wrote: ↑03 Jan 2026, 05:06 It's a shame how people get so emotional about these two. Both sets of fans, as evidenced here, still squeal their mantras and yet the actual boxers got over it all years ago.

I love all the guys from that era and are so thankful for what these two gave us.

It's as shame that we keep hearing about these crybaby excuse for Duran.
Yeah a lot of people don't like it that we are supposed to give credit to Duran for winning the first fight, but Leaonard doesn't get it for the 2nd fight.

If Duran fans would just say their guy won the first fight and Leonard won the second, we wouldn't have all this crap.

And the 3rd, but who's counting? Besides...Boxrec that is

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Jan 2026, 15:31 And if Duran wanted the fight to be later than November, he should not have signed for it to happen in November. He did sign for it to happen then because that was a normal time for it to have happened.

5 months after the first one. More time than Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Benitez, Hearns, and Hagler had after they won the title.

Enough with the crybaby BS.

He also made the weight no problem, and physically he looked pretty much like he always did. Elmer claims he was close to death, to me he looked fine physically. He wasn't as sharp as in the first fight, but hardly on deaths door. Had the fight continued it would probably have ended up something like 10-5 Leonard. The big thing was that he quit, and he quit for no reason it seemed.

hhaehre wrote: ↑04 Jan 2026, 20:55

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Jan 2026, 15:31 And if Duran wanted the fight to be later than November, he should not have signed for it to happen in November. He did sign for it to happen then because that was a normal time for it to have happened.

5 months after the first one. More time than Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Benitez, Hearns, and Hagler had after they won the title.

Enough with the crybaby BS.

He also made the weight no problem, and physically he looked pretty much like he always did. Elmer claims he was close to death, to me he looked fine physically. He wasn't as sharp as in the first fight, but hardly on deaths door. Had the fight continued it would probably have ended up something like 10-5 Leonard. The big thing was that he quit, and he quit for no reason it seemed.

If Roberto Duran would have continued, he would have fainted. He didn't had nothing on that night. He was out of shape, out of sync, and out of everything. That's why he quit. He didn't want Sugar Ray Leonard to knock him out. He couldn't cope the fast pace fight because he was gassed, hoodwinked, betrayed and saw all the bullshit between the lines.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Jan 2026, 15:31 And if Duran wanted the fight to be later than November, he should not have signed for it to happen in November. He did sign for it to happen then because that was a normal time for it to have happened.

5 months after the first one. More time than Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Benitez, Hearns, and Hagler had after they won the title.

Enough with the crybaby BS.

Roberto Duran didn't signed the contract. It was signed by his greedy manager. He was betrayed, hoodwinked, sold and disrespected by Carlos Eleta and Don King. It was one of the greatest betrayals in the history of the sport.

Says the man that doesn't believe that man has never been on the moon.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 Jan 2026, 11:28

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Jan 2026, 15:31 And if Duran wanted the fight to be later than November, he should not have signed for it to happen in November. He did sign for it to happen then because that was a normal time for it to have happened.

5 months after the first one. More time than Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Benitez, Hearns, and Hagler had after they won the title.

Enough with the crybaby BS.

Roberto Duran didn't signed the contract. It was signed by his greedy manager. He was betrayed, hoodwinked, sold and disrespected by Carlos Eleta and Don King. It was one of the greatest betrayals in the history of the sport.

Fiction.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 Jan 2026, 11:28

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Jan 2026, 15:31 And if Duran wanted the fight to be later than November, he should not have signed for it to happen in November. He did sign for it to happen then because that was a normal time for it to have happened.

5 months after the first one. More time than Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Benitez, Hearns, and Hagler had after they won the title.

Enough with the crybaby BS.

Roberto Duran didn't signed the contract. It was signed by his greedy manager. He was betrayed, hoodwinked, sold and disrespected by Carlos Eleta and Don King. It was one of the greatest betrayals in the history of the sport.

Prove it.

HE F*CKING CAN'T. We've been over this

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑06 Jan 2026, 21:34 Says the man that doesn't believe that man has never been on the moon.

But if it did happen, it would have been Duran and maybe Pedroza walking on the moon.

giacomino wrote: ↑07 Jan 2026, 14:29

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑06 Jan 2026, 21:34 Says the man that doesn't believe that man has never been on the moon.

But if it did happen, it would have been Duran and maybe Pedroza walking on the moon.

But it wasn't because AMERICA GOT TO BE THE GREATEST

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Jan 2026, 13:42 HE F*CKING CAN'T. We've been over this

Are you sure about that? I'm sitting here staring at the screen in anticipation, with a piece of popcorn almost in my mouth.

catalin714 wrote: ↑07 Jan 2026, 09:10

elmersalsa wrote: ↑05 Jan 2026, 11:28

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑04 Jan 2026, 15:31 And if Duran wanted the fight to be later than November, he should not have signed for it to happen in November. He did sign for it to happen then because that was a normal time for it to have happened.

5 months after the first one. More time than Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Benitez, Hearns, and Hagler had after they won the title.

Enough with the crybaby BS.

Roberto Duran didn't signed the contract. It was signed by his greedy manager. He was betrayed, hoodwinked, sold and disrespected by Carlos Eleta and Don King. It was one of the greatest betrayals in the history of the sport.

Prove it.

It's all over the Internet of why that second fight was fixed and arranged by Carlos Eleta. Don King and Eleta disrespected, hoodwinked, betrayed and sold Roberto Duran. Duran didn't signed the contract. That's common sense. Nobody in his right mind would. Especially if you're in party mode in the biggest win of your career.

Would Duran be that stupid and dumb to sign a contract in so short of time? Answer me.

"Your honor. I would've paid my child support, I just wanted to party and have fun more. You understand right?"

"Baby. I'm sorry I showed up 3 hours late to the wedding, but me and my Boys were having a wild party, and just couldn't leave"

"Boss. I'm sorry I haven't been to work in a few weeks. I was just partying, and having fun"

That excuse doesn't work in life. You can be a party guy or you can be a Man that handles his business. You can't be both.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Jan 2026, 14:43

giacomino wrote: ↑07 Jan 2026, 14:29

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑06 Jan 2026, 21:34 Says the man that doesn't believe that man has never been on the moon.

But if it did happen, it would have been Duran and maybe Pedroza walking on the moon.

But it wasn't because AMERICA GOT TO BE THE GREATEST

America got to be the greatest. It was UNACCEPTABLE for America to see Roberto Duran whupping his Golden Boy and then became the face of boxing.

This No Mas fight had nothing to do with sportsmanship. It was a wicked fix, thanks to Duran's greedy manager Carlos Eleta. He sold his champion for $8 million dollars. Don King, Duran's promoter since 1975, never gave him a postponement. If Sugar Ray asked for time, you don't think that they would have given him more time?

But, thanks to Eleta's greedy ambitions, the No Mas fiasco was done. Duran saw the BULLSHIT BETWEEN THE LINES, was gassed out, disrespected and quit.

I don't believe that Duran quit because of stomach cramps. I think that he quit because the way he got treated by his own manager and promoter.

That has never happened in the history of boxing. It was one of boxing's greatest betrayals.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 14:12 "Your honor. I would've paid my child support, I just wanted to party and have fun more. You understand right?"

"Baby. I'm sorry I showed up 3 hours late to the wedding, but me and my Boys were having a wild party, and just couldn't leave"

"Boss. I'm sorry I haven't been to work in a few weeks. I was just partying, and having fun"

That excuse doesn't work in life. You can be a party guy or you can be a Man that handles his business. You can't be both.

This is different. A man got the right to enjoy the fruit of his labors. Roberto Duran was not an exception. He partied for his greatest win like it was 1999.

Evander Holyfield partied like if was 1999. Mike Tyson wanted a quick rematch in March. Holyfield was in the negotiations and said, "Hell no! Let's make the rematch in June! And I want much more money!"

Ain't Duran's manager could have done the same? Yes. But, he was so greedy that he wanted to take that money at all costs behind Roberto's back. That's the difference. A greedy manager compared to Holyfield.

You hear that guys? A guy winning a rematch against a tough opponent has never happened in the history of Boxing.

In all of the interviews in the immediate aftermath of the bout. He talks about stomach cramps. He doesn't talk about his manager f*cking him over. If he had a problem with his manager he would've said so or do you think Duran was too much of a pussy to stand up to a man that f*cked him over on National Television? Is that what you're saying? That Duran was too cowardly to confront his manager?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 14:25 You hear that guys? A guy winning a rematch against a tough opponent has never happened in the history of Boxing.

In all of the interviews in the immediate aftermath of the bout. He talks about stomach cramps. He doesn't talk about his manager f*cking him over. If he had a problem with his manager he would've said so or do you think Duran was too much of a pussy to stand up to a man that f*cked him over on National Television? Is that what you're saying? That Duran was too cowardly to confront his manager?

What I am saying, Roberto Duran was loyal to his manager. His manager was not loyal but a greedy old bastard that should have consulted his champion. Carlos Eleta was THE RAT that signed. Not Duran. Duran trusted him like a father.

You claimed many times that Duran was your favorite fighter or one of your favorites. And you in no kind of way give him the benefit of the doubt. It seems that you really don't know the story of Roberto Duran. You really don't know his story. All you know about his story is from No Mas fiasco onwards. And still you come short.

Then, you wickedly want to join Sugar Ray Leonard's fans by saying ridiculously things to justify Leonard. I think that you changed favorite boxers in putting Sugar Ray as your favorite now.

I don't think that Duran has "stomach cramps" in why he quit. But, I do believe that he was sold, betrayed, disrespected and hoodwinked the whole time. He gassed out and quit. He saw THE BULLSHIT BETWEEN THE LINES. Thanks to Eleta, Leonard won by a BEAUTIFUL STRATEGY.

I know all about Duran. Duran's career is more than just this No Mas bout. You can have a low or embarrassing moment and still redeem yourself, and Duran did.

But it still doesn't change the story of Duran-Leonard 2. Duran quit. He embarrassed himself, but it wasn't the end of his life or his career. It was ultimately just a large bump in the road that he eventually moved past.

You should move past it too.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 16:45 I know all about Duran. Duran's career is more than just this No Mas bout. You can have a low or embarrassing moment and still redeem yourself, and Duran did.

But it still doesn't change the story of Duran-Leonard 2. Duran quit. He embarrassed himself, but it wasn't the end of his life or his career. It was ultimately just a large bump in the road that he eventually moved past.

You should move past it too.

I have moved on ever since I learned the truth. Like your Christ in the Bible says: "The truth shall set you free!"

Sugar Ray Leonard was an extraordinary boxer. A strategist inside and outside the ring. But, he went really low on this win against Roberto Duran. Maybe if Duran would have never disrespected him and his wife, maybe this rematch would have never happened that soon.

But, he went low because it was payback time. He had to win at all costs. America has to be the greatest, and his strategy worked by paying a dirty old bastard. That was something that was NEVER DONE BEFORE OR SINCE.

Sugar Ray didn't had to go that low to win. He used all outside sources to help him. He didn't need them. If Duran would have been at his very best, the win would have been much more satisfying. But, it was TAINTED. He knew that it was TAINTED. That's why he had to fly to Panama and confront Duran to really know what really happened. Sugar Ray was bothered by that for a long, long time.

You really sound like you've moved on

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Jan 2026, 00:35 You really sound like you've moved on

221 posts on this subject proves he has

All over the internet. Hasn't posted a single link in over 20 years to back up his claim. We're getting hoodwinked by elmo!!

elmersalsa wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 14:09 Duran didn't signed the contract.

I'm sick of this bullsh1t, so I'll make it really easy for you.

State athletic commissions require signed bout contracts Under U.S. boxing regulation (including Louisiana in 1980), a bout cannot be sanctioned without a written contract filed with the commission containing the signature of the boxer.

The contract must include:
Fighter names
Weight class
Number of rounds
Purse terms
Title designation

The Louisiana State Athletic Commission had final approval power over:
Fighter licensing
Matchmaking approval
Title bout sanctioning
They would not—and legally could not—approve a bout unless both fighters executed contracts.

WBC championship fights required:
Signed bout agreement
Approval of terms by the sanctioning body
Payment of sanctioning fees tied to the contract purse
If Durán didn’t sign personally, the WBC belt could not be on the line.

A world-title fight in the U.S. without signed contracts would violate state law and sanctioning-body rules.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Jan 2026, 12:54

elmersalsa wrote: ↑08 Jan 2026, 14:09 Duran didn't signed the contract.

I'm sick of this bullsh1t, so I'll make it really easy for you.

State athletic commissions require signed bout contracts Under U.S. boxing regulation (including Louisiana in 1980), a bout cannot be sanctioned without a written contract filed with the commission containing the signature of the boxer.

The contract must include:
Fighter names
Weight class
Number of rounds
Purse terms
Title designation

The Louisiana State Athletic Commission had final approval power over:
Fighter licensing
Matchmaking approval
Title bout sanctioning
They would not—and legally could not—approve a bout unless both fighters executed contracts.

WBC championship fights required:
Signed bout agreement
Approval of terms by the sanctioning body
Payment of sanctioning fees tied to the contract purse
If Durán didn’t sign personally, the WBC belt could not be on the line.

A world-title fight in the U.S. without signed contracts would violate state law and sanctioning-body rules.

Don King, Mike Trainer and Carlos Eleta broke the rules, my friend.