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Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 09:28

joshj909 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 06:26 From a BBC perspective, in terms of interest in the fight and value for money, the top opponents they'd want for TKV will likely be Allen, Adeleye, Hughie, Dacres and Fisher. Whether they can get them to take the fight, we will see. They might even consider Jordan Thompson if he can get a win at heavyweight.

The BBC can't afford to pay the money for any of them.

Maybe Hughie would take it once he get his man strength though.

I think if they can get Clarke on then plus ticket sales, most of those would be achievable especially if the offer of the British belt is in their hands too. I don't think Boxxer will be paying these guys peanuts but it's not going to be headline PPV money.

I feel for Frazer, I think he stayed amateur a long time, that must take its toll. Bit like Conlan.

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 07:01 It feels with someone as awful as TKV as British heavyweight champion, British heavyweight boxing is now on a downward spiral, possibly with the exception of Moses Ituama...and that this stage it could still very much go pop !

Let's be honest we've had an unprecedented run for about the last 20 years with Fury and Joshua, not to mention a string of other contenders/fringe contenders like Dubois, Joyce, Chisora, Price & Whyte that have come & gone. A remarkable period in British heavyweight boxing.

Itauma, Atang and Damar Thomas will all be very strong over the next 10 years.

I'm glad some of you have the BBC budget in mind, because most of the future TKV opponents suggested wouldn't fight for BBC money. If they were smart, they would fight for BBC exposure, but they probably aren't.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 12:15

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 07:01 It feels with someone as awful as TKV as British heavyweight champion, British heavyweight boxing is now on a downward spiral, possibly with the exception of Moses Ituama...and that this stage it could still very much go pop !

Let's be honest we've had an unprecedented run for about the last 20 years with Fury and Joshua, not to mention a string of other contenders/fringe contenders like Dubois, Joyce, Chisora, Price & Whyte that have come & gone. A remarkable period in British heavyweight boxing.

Itauma, Atang and Damar Thomas will all be very strong over the next 10 years.

Not heard of Damar Thomas, what’s his background Mickey?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 13:33 I'm glad some of you have the BBC budget in mind, because most of the future TKV opponents suggested wouldn't fight for BBC money. If they were smart, they would fight for BBC exposure, but they probably aren't.

100%

Get ur face out there on free tv. Rather behind behind 2 paywalls

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 13:57

KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 13:33 I'm glad some of you have the BBC budget in mind, because most of the future TKV opponents suggested wouldn't fight for BBC money. If they were smart, they would fight for BBC exposure, but they probably aren't.

100%

Get ur face out there on free tv. Rather behind behind 2 paywalls

It could expose someone like Itauma to a wide audience, especially if he does a highlight reel performance of absolutely smashing TKV around the ring.
That would be a way smarter move than is next presumably PPV setup performance

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 13:35

mickey1975 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 12:15

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 07:01 It feels with someone as awful as TKV as British heavyweight champion, British heavyweight boxing is now on a downward spiral, possibly with the exception of Moses Ituama...and that this stage it could still very much go pop !

Let's be honest we've had an unprecedented run for about the last 20 years with Fury and Joshua, not to mention a string of other contenders/fringe contenders like Dubois, Joyce, Chisora, Price & Whyte that have come & gone. A remarkable period in British heavyweight boxing.

Itauma, Atang and Damar Thomas will all be very strong over the next 10 years.

Not heard of Damar Thomas, what’s his background Mickey?

Very accomplished amateur, 20yo. Just won the European under 23s. Lost a split to the Cuban in the world quarter finals. Very experienced for his age.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 11:45 I feel for Frazer, I think he stayed amateur a long time, that must take its toll. Bit like Conlan.

He's hadsome really hard fights as well, the Wardley fights took something from him and didn't look right last night.
Never had a good engine as a pro though.

rd350lc wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:25

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 11:45 I feel for Frazer, I think he stayed amateur a long time, that must take its toll. Bit like Conlan.

He's hadsome really hard fights as well

I read that quick and thought you said he was handsome

mickey1975 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:03

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 13:35

mickey1975 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 12:15
Itauma, Atang and Damar Thomas will all be very strong over the next 10 years.

Not heard of Damar Thomas, what’s his background Mickey?

Very accomplished amateur, 20yo. Just won the European under 23s. Lost a split to the Cuban in the world quarter finals. Very experienced for his age.

interesting, cheers

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:39

rd350lc wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:25

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 11:45 I feel for Frazer, I think he stayed amateur a long time, that must take its toll. Bit like Conlan.

He's hadsome really hard fights as well

I read that quick and thought you said he was handsome

Me too!

Fearful_Freddie wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:49

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:39

rd350lc wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:25

He's hadsome really hard fights as well

I read that quick and thought you said he was handsome

Me too!

My illiterate writing.
Who's to say he's not though.

Wanted Clarke to win and was screaming at the telly 'use your jab and keep it long' but he didn't and got sucked into a maul which TKV got the better of over the course of the fight. Why? The ring was big enough for Clarke to keep it on the outside. I didn't like the ending, he was obviously concussed at the final bell.

2201111 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 15:59 Wanted Clarke to win and was screaming at the telly 'use your jab and keep it long' but he didn't and got sucked into a maul which TKV got the better of over the course of the fight. Why? The ring was big enough for Clarke to keep it on the outside. I didn't like the ending, he was obviously concussed at the final bell.

These are my thoughts too.

I’ve seen many question his stamina which I get because he was knackered but I think he was knackered because he was fighting TKV’s fight & wasn’t expecting or prepared for a fight that was essentially a wrestling match for the first 6 rounds.

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:39

rd350lc wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:25

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 11:45 I feel for Frazer, I think he stayed amateur a long time, that must take its toll. Bit like Conlan.

He's hadsome really hard fights as well

I read that quick and thought you said he was handsome

Yes he may be handsome… but I found out thanks to big Ron that’s he’s bald as well…..

TKV reminds me a bit of Andy Ruiz - he’s got the DadBod but he’s also got fast hands and a relaxed punching style. In contrast everything looked hard work for Clarke.

Its amazing really how much amateur boxing has changed over the years. The heavyweights (well the most recent editions, from the UK) are now just physical "athletes" but with not much in terms of finesse and boxing IQ. Frazier Clarke's defence was atrocious at the weekend - where was this so called amateur pedigree..... but then I think back to the previous Olympic Medalist in this division from the UK and his defence is also his chin and even the gold medalist from 2012 is hardly Floyd Mayweather.

As brave as he was, I was really really disappointed in Clarke - it seems that most people would tip Dave Allen to beat TKV (it is a tough one to call) and Clarke looked levels above Allen when they fought. Most people I think made Clarke the slight favourite to beat Wardley, now a world champion, in the rematch and whilst he suffered a devasting loss - it wasn't necessarily an aging loss. I assumed he would be a level or 2 above TKV, who, with the greatest of respect, before Saturday I was thinking is among the worst challengers for this particular belt in recent history.

Clarke's defence was shocking - it looked like he had no boxing experience at all at times - was just an athlete. I have in the past compared Clarke physically and in terms of fighting style to Matt Skelton - he was a poor man's Matt Skelton on Saturday - but incredibly brave.

TKV was better than I thought he would be and the Keith Long comparison is very good. I would probably now make him the favourite vs Allen and fights with Chisora, Whyte and Joyce would be interesting - beyond that he comes unstuck though - but brave, gusty performance from him also.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025, 08:58

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:39

rd350lc wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025, 14:25

He's hadsome really hard fights as well

I read that quick and thought you said he was handsome

Yes he may be handsome… but I found out thanks to big Ron that’s he’s bald as well…..

I'd never noticed he was bald, Ron should go into investigative journalism with snippets of genius like that

punchers chance wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025, 09:03 TKV reminds me a bit of Andy Ruiz - he’s got the DadBod but he’s also got fast hands and a relaxed punching style. In contrast everything looked hard work for Clarke.

Andy Ruiz hasn't shown much really since Joshua and its getting harder and harder to gauge if that was some kind of fluke - cos he hasn't looked anything like that since or before really. On that form though, Andy Ruiz throws his punches 1) Alot quicker - I wouldn't say TKV is especially fast (he's not slow) but Clarke head was just a punching bag on Saturday and 2) Definately thows more punches in bunches - more combinations / flurries than TKV.

Agree with the comparison compared to Clarke on Saturday though.

stujones wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025, 09:46
Frazier Clarke's defence was atrocious at the weekend - where was this so called amateur pedigree..... but then I think back to the previous Olympic Medalist in this division from the UK and his defence is also his chin and even the gold medalist from 2012 is hardly Floyd Mayweather.

As brave as he was, I was really really disappointed in Clarke - it seems that most people would tip Dave Allen to beat TKV (it is a tough one to call) and Clarke looked levels above Allen when they fought. Most people I think made Clarke the slight favourite to beat Wardley, now a world champion, in the rematch and whilst he suffered a devasting loss - it wasn't necessarily an aging loss. I assumed he would be a level or 2 above TKV, who, with the greatest of respect, before Saturday I was thinking is among the worst challengers for this particular belt in recent history.

Clarke's defence was shocking - it looked like he had no boxing experience at all at times - was just an athlete. I have in the past compared Clarke physically and in terms of fighting style to Matt Skelton - he was a poor man's Matt Skelton on Saturday - but incredibly brave.

I agree, Clarke looked like a novice which is bizarre for someone with his amateur background and sparring experience with the top HWs. I can only assume he looked at TKV and saw how flabby he was and just assumed he would be strong for him. He got drawn into a ruck and came off second best. Either that or those Wardley fights took something away from him, both were brutal for different reasons. Even at the end of the TKV fight he seemed to be staggering as he was pacing the ring, his career will be very short if he carries on like this.

stujones wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025, 09:50

punchers chance wrote: ↑01 Dec 2025, 09:03 TKV reminds me a bit of Andy Ruiz - he’s got the DadBod but he’s also got fast hands and a relaxed punching style. In contrast everything looked hard work for Clarke.

Andy Ruiz hasn't shown much really since Joshua and its getting harder and harder to gauge if that was some kind of fluke - cos he hasn't looked anything like that since or before really. On that form though, Andy Ruiz throws his punches 1) Alot quicker - I wouldn't say TKV is especially fast (he's not slow) but Clarke head was just a punching bag on Saturday and 2) Definately thows more punches in bunches - more combinations / flurries than TKV.

Agree with the comparison compared to Clarke on Saturday though.

Andy Ruiz beating Joshua was a fluke because he was never the better boxer but he isn't/wasn't a terrible boxer. He lost a contentious split decision to Joseph Parker and while being inactive and way out of shape beat Ortiz and drew with Miller. Those two fights are well below the level he was at his peak (Parker-Joshua fights) but that's still several levels above TKV. Ruiz also isn't a spoiler ordering the inside game like TKV.

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Nov 2025, 18:49

coneye wrote: ↑29 Nov 2025, 18:43 Tuned in around rnd 5 , what i seen was an entertaining bout , between 2 very ltd guys , but they were on the similar level so made for a reasonable scrap , not w world beater performance but a honest even scrap just the same , , has long has there matched evem;y and both come to fight you get your mones worth .

Can see Frank buttering TKV up with a crack at Fabio or Moses

Both surely have bigger fish to fry.

Normaly you would think so , BUT we are talking about Warren boxers here , and he does have history of pickin easy fights for his blue eyed boys , , Moses needs opponents he can beat and who can test him , TVK actually might meet the scenario ,

Fabio well not sure who manages him but surely his management will now take a good look and uses his wins and his new found fame and glory and insist on something a bit easier for his next one or two