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Arsenal wrote:Thats why I was saying he took alot of shots and used his face as a defence! By the way are we saying top 10/20 at the time or top 10/20 of all time?

We are talking about Gerrie Coetzee being in the top 20 heavyweights of all time. And in my opinion he qualifies a place in the top 20.

silkov wrote:

Arsenal wrote:Silkov you know you can't compare one boxers fights with another boxers. For example Forman beat Frazier, Frazier beat Ali and Ali beat Foreman. Always like your opinions Silkov but how on earth can you have Coetzer in an top 50 or 75. If he was that good he would have fought for the World title in its many forms at least once. I know that doesn't always happen but I think he should have at least once. Having said that was it anything to do with Aparteid? But saying I know nothing because I think he is a punchbag is wrong. I have seen quite a few of his fights and he took alot of shots.

Caulk don't be like Razor and defend Tyson's rape convition with some supposed facts.

I've always disagreed with Razors view of Tysons rape conviction and have never made excuses for Tyson in any shape or form, in fact if you read my posts you'll see that I'm very far from being a Tyson apologist as Razor will himself most probably agree...

I can testify to that!

But at least Silkov and I agree on one thing which is this.

Decagon wrote:I don't have any problem with Razor defending a rapist. The American Constitution ensures that all rapists get a fair and competent defense. My problem is that Razor's been blatantly lying about the facts, saying that Washington never had any bruises.

Even without Washington, Tyson had a history of mistreating women, I don't get the fact defending a person who has a history of mistreating women, and then defending the fact that this rape never could've happened.....

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Decagon wrote:I don't have any problem with Razor defending a rapist. The American Constitution ensures that all rapists get a fair and competent defense. My problem is that Razor's been blatantly lying about the facts, saying that Washington never had any bruises.

Even without Washington, Tyson had a history of mistreating women, I don't get the fact defending a person who has a history of mistreating women, and then defending the fact that this rape never could've happened.....

Well you seem to forget that Washington has a history of lieing about rape. She had lied three times previously so how can you trust her?

You see this story goes both ways.

Decagon wrote:Tyson did later admit to raping a woman before the Washington incident.

Absolute bull shit, Ive NEVER heard such thing.

But as I said this is in the past and me, you, Aresnal etc arent going to agree with each other about this incident.

silkov wrote

I think that it would have been a hard fight for both men and Coetzee would give Rocky a lot of trouble... a very even fight I think...

o dear! coetzee vs marciano even fight?



marciano KO 5 coetzee

He's REALLY going out of the way to defend Tyson....... Teddy Atlas said that he was making sexual advances to his 11 year old neice!! Not to mention the abusiveness to Robin Givens..... Jailtime was almost inevitable for Tyson

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:silkov wrote

I think that it would have been a hard fight for both men and Coetzee would give Rocky a lot of trouble... a very even fight I think...

o dear! coetzee vs marciano even fight?



marciano KO 5 coetzee

Well I agree with Silov, this fight is a very even fight and both men will take severe punishment. You seem to forget that Coetzee took a terrific punch, in the Weaver fight, Coetzee took Weavers' best punches before finally scummbling from exhastion in the 13th and while Marciano's right hand was better than Weaver's, Weaver's left hook was harder and more effective than Rocky's. Coetzee also took Renaldo Snipes best punch in the 9th and didnt even take one step back - the same punch that floored Holmes.

But my prediction is Marciano TKO 14 in an extremly grueling fight and comming from behind to stop an exhastued Gerrie Coetzee.

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RazorKO wrote:

Arsenal wrote:Just like Bruno stoped Coetzer?

Seeing as Coetzee was some 20 pounds overweight and was already fighting top class competition when Bruno was starting his pro career and also from all the wars Gerrie has been in, they took their toll and it showed in this fight.

But I congratulate Bruno because despite Coetzee not at his best, he still knocked him out flat as no had ever done that to him before. Plus I admire Bruno's heart in the Witherspoon and Tyson fights and showed he has class to match his skill. The same however can not be said about Leiws.

What about Lewis in the Mercer fight? He showed he had a tremendous heart in that fight. Or do you mean that Lewis was not a classy guy?

I mean both, Bruno had heart as well as being a nice man outside of the ring while Lewis was arrogant and compared to the great fighters he had no heart.

People say Bruno has a glass chin, but Bruno has never been knocked out cold like Lewis has been. Bruno scummbled to multiple terrific shots from Bonecrusher and Bruno just failed to beat the count, he took Witherspoon's best before finally being stopped and Tyson nearly beheaded him with his uppercut in the 5th round of their first fight but Bruno still managed to stay on his feet.

Lewis however was hit by one single punch from Rahman and McCall and he was on queer street (And in Rahman's case....dropped like a sack of crap). Bruno should of beaten Lewis in their fight if it wasnt for Lewis using illegal tactics of holding Bruno's head and hitting him with an uppercut. Lewis also did the same to Michael Grant in the second round and Grant should of won by Disqualification.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:silkov wrote

I think that it would have been a hard fight for both men and Coetzee would give Rocky a lot of trouble... a very even fight I think...

o dear! coetzee vs marciano even fight?



marciano KO 5 coetzee

Sorry Brock but you overrate Marciano greatly... he took longer than 5 rounds to beat poor Rex Layne... though I suppose you probably rate Layne over Coetzee... Marcinao also took longer than 5 to beat Don Cockell, even with all the low blows, rabbit punches and punches while Don was down.... :x :x :x

Decagon wrote:Tyson did later admit to raping a woman before the Washington incident.

Not calling you a liar, mate, but I have never heard of Tyson admitting ti such a thing, EVER!

Can you suppky proof or a link, something?

Rocky Balboa wrote:

Decagon wrote:Tyson did later admit to raping a woman before the Washington incident.

Not calling you a liar, mate, but I have never heard of Tyson admitting ti such a thing, EVER!

Can you suppky proof or a link, something?

Tyson admitted in the late 80s I think it was to enjoying hurting women during sex and making them scream, but as far as I can remember he never admitted to rape.

silkov wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:silkov wrote

I think that it would have been a hard fight for both men and Coetzee would give Rocky a lot of trouble... a very even fight I think...

o dear! coetzee vs marciano even fight?



marciano KO 5 coetzee

Sorry Brock but you overrate Marciano greatly... he took longer than 5 rounds to beat poor Rex Layne... though I suppose you probably rate Layne over Coetzee... Marcinao also took longer than 5 to beat Don Cockell, even with all the low blows, rabbit punches and punches while Don was down.... :x :x :x

it does not matter how many rounds it takes, he got the job done.

sorry silk...........but gerrie coetzee was knocked out in 8 rounds by none other than greg page? did u know coetzee was knocked out in 13 rounds by mike weaver? did u know frank bruno blasted out coetzee in one round?


did u know rex layne took bob satterfields BEST punches and came back to win, and marciano needed only one right hand to knock the durable rex out cold?


i overate marciano? well i rate him # 5 all time, u rate him # 10 all time. not much a difference heh?


im not the one saying gerrie coetzee beats lennox lewis and that gerries a top 20 heavyweight of all time. 80s heavyweights may be one of the most talented, but they never lived up to that talent so that makes them one of the weaker eras.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

silkov wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:silkov wrote o dear! coetzee vs marciano even fight?



marciano KO 5 coetzee

Sorry Brock but you overrate Marciano greatly... he took longer than 5 rounds to beat poor Rex Layne... though I suppose you probably rate Layne over Coetzee... Marcinao also took longer than 5 to beat Don Cockell, even with all the low blows, rabbit punches and punches while Don was down.... :x :x :x

it does not matter how many rounds it takes, he got the job done.

sorry silk...........but gerrie coetzee was knocked out in 8 rounds by none other than greg page? did u know coetzee was knocked out in 13 rounds by mike weaver? did u know frank bruno blasted out coetzee in one round?


did u know rex layne took bob satterfields BEST punches and came back to win, and marciano needed only one right hand to knock the durable rex out cold?


i overate marciano? well i rate him # 5 all time, u rate him # 10 all time. not much a difference heh?


im not the one saying gerrie coetzee beats lennox lewis and that gerries a top 20 heavyweight of all time. 80s heavyweights may be one of the most talented, but they never lived up to that talent so that makes them one of the weaker eras.

Weaver hit harder than Marciano... he was a murderous puncher... as for the Page bout Coetzee was koed at 3.53 of the round... try watching the fight. Try opening your mind a bit Brock, your Marciano fixation is rather limiting....

Decagon wrote:Ooooh, did someone take Statterfield's best punches? Wow. I am shocked. Statterfield was a light heayweight. Bob Foster was a killer at 175, but he couldn't do shit at heavyweight.

Yes it is laughable to compare Layne to Coetzee... Layne was just a brave lad who was thrown to the wolves before he had been taught how to box... poorly conditioned as well... Coetzee mixed it with some of the toughest heavyweights of his era, men who to be frank would have murdered Layne had he fought them...

silkov wrote:

Decagon wrote:Ooooh, did someone take Statterfield's best punches? Wow. I am shocked. Statterfield was a light heayweight. Bob Foster was a killer at 175, but he couldn't do shit at heavyweight.

Yes it is laughable to compare Layne to Coetzee... Layne was just a brave lad who was thrown to the wolves before he had been taught how to box... poorly conditioned as well... Coetzee mixed it with some of the toughest heavyweights of his era, men who to be frank would have murdered Layne had he fought them...

i think its laughable to compare coetzee to marciano, and so does everyone else except you.


yea i mean coetzee beat ezzard charles and jersey joe walcott right?


TOUGHEST HUH? how bout u mean waste of talent because they have no toughness or heart. the 80s heavyies had more far more talent than heavies in other eras, but they never lived up to it because of drugs, lazineness. therefore it was not a good era. unless u want to count the god awful boring fights like tubbs-page, tubbs-spoon, etc.

murdered layne? u mean renaldo snipes, pinklon thomas, greg page, michael coke dokes? gimme a break.

ur infatuation with the 80s heavyweights and holmes era is ridiculous. u think they were this amazing era, but in fact they were nothing special. they had the potential to be a very good era, but drugs and laziness spoiled that oppertunity. most of those 80s heavies will always just be what ifs.

- the fact u think gerrie coetzee is a top 20 heavyweight of all time is almsot laughable. hes not even top 50.

- rex layne was in great condition in his prime, he totally outworked walcott in there fight. he put on a great display of inside fighting. even a far past his prime layne was robbed in one of the bob baker fights. bob baker was a big heavyweight with skill.



thrown to the wolves before he knew how to box? u dont know layne very well do u. he was a far better fighter before he was ruined after suffering back to back KO losses to rock and charles.


heres what john garfield who saw rex layne live had to say about him



"Throw out the record book on Layne, he was a rugged brawler with a quick, very heavy right. As he got shopworn and discouraged, more and more, he got outworked and beaten down.

But, when he first raged out of Utah -- full of piss and vinegar -- he'd have been a handful for anybody. He could crack with that right."

silkov wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

silkov wrote: Sorry Brock but you overrate Marciano greatly... he took longer than 5 rounds to beat poor Rex Layne... though I suppose you probably rate Layne over Coetzee... Marcinao also took longer than 5 to beat Don Cockell, even with all the low blows, rabbit punches and punches while Don was down.... :x :x :x

it does not matter how many rounds it takes, he got the job done.

sorry silk...........but gerrie coetzee was knocked out in 8 rounds by none other than greg page? did u know coetzee was knocked out in 13 rounds by mike weaver? did u know frank bruno blasted out coetzee in one round?


did u know rex layne took bob satterfields BEST punches and came back to win, and marciano needed only one right hand to knock the durable rex out cold?


i overate marciano? well i rate him # 5 all time, u rate him # 10 all time. not much a difference heh?


im not the one saying gerrie coetzee beats lennox lewis and that gerries a top 20 heavyweight of all time. 80s heavyweights may be one of the most talented, but they never lived up to that talent so that makes them one of the weaker eras.

Weaver hit harder than Marciano... he was a murderous puncher... as for the Page bout Coetzee was koed at 3.53 of the round... try watching the fight. Try opening your mind a bit Brock, your Marciano fixation is rather limiting....

that will be your little secret




anything to hype up holmes huh silk? marcianos suzieQ right hand was one of the best punches ever brought into the ring. weaver was a hard hitter, but rocky was a legendery puncher. weavers punching power was very good, but doesnt compare to rocky marcianos.

whats next, mike weaver hit harder than joe frazier, jack dempsey, joe louis?

IMO rocky hit harder than frazier. even joe louis saw joe frazier hitting the bag and he shook his head and said "marciano hit harder."

Decagon wrote:Ooooh, did someone take Statterfield's best punches? Wow. I am shocked. Statterfield was a light heayweight. Bob Foster was a killer at 175, but he couldn't do shit at heavyweight.

thats one of the worst examples ive ever seen u make dec. satterfields carried his power with him to heavyweight division unlike bob foster. satterfield had devastating power at heavyweight. he knocked out or beat big skilled men like bob baker, cleveland williams, nino valdes, john holman.

Decagon wrote:... against a ton of losses. You'll have a hell of a hard time convincing me that Statterfield at heavyweight was any better than Bruce Seldon or Oliver McCall.

better than bruce seldon, at least he wasnt a pussy.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

silkov wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote: it does not matter how many rounds it takes, he got the job done.

sorry silk...........but gerrie coetzee was knocked out in 8 rounds by none other than greg page? did u know coetzee was knocked out in 13 rounds by mike weaver? did u know frank bruno blasted out coetzee in one round?


did u know rex layne took bob satterfields BEST punches and came back to win, and marciano needed only one right hand to knock the durable rex out cold?


i overate marciano? well i rate him # 5 all time, u rate him # 10 all time. not much a difference heh?


im not the one saying gerrie coetzee beats lennox lewis and that gerries a top 20 heavyweight of all time. 80s heavyweights may be one of the most talented, but they never lived up to that talent so that makes them one of the weaker eras.

Weaver hit harder than Marciano... he was a murderous puncher... as for the Page bout Coetzee was koed at 3.53 of the round... try watching the fight. Try opening your mind a bit Brock, your Marciano fixation is rather limiting....

that will be your little secret




anything to hype up holmes huh silk? marcianos suzieQ right hand was one of the best punches ever brought into the ring. weaver was a hard hitter, but rocky was a legendery puncher. weavers punching power was very good, but doesnt compare to rocky marcianos.

whats next, mike weaver hit harder than joe frazier, jack dempsey, joe louis?

IMO rocky hit harder than frazier. even joe louis saw joe frazier hitting the bag and he shook his head and said "marciano hit harder."

Weaver hit just as hard as Marciano and Coetzee took Weaver's best and only exhasution beat him. Gerrie has also never been stopped as an amateur either.


I'd take Weaver's ko over Tate over Walcott's KO over Marciano as the most brutal Ive ever seen.

- the fact u think gerrie coetzee is a top 20 heavyweight of all time is almsot laughable. hes not even top 50.

Coetzee as Silov said fought some of the toughest men in his era. Marciano fought no one of importance as his best opponents were either old i.e Louis, lightheavyweight i.e Charles and Moore and past their prime i.e Walcott.

Coetzee however BEAT Snipes, knocked out Dokes where the same Dokes 6 years later would give Holyfield a brilliant fight, deserved the nod against Thomas and knocked out Spinks in 1.

But as I said Marciano would probably TKO Coetzee in the 14th.

walcott, charles, moore the versions that marciano beat were still better than anyone coetzee ever fought.

ill take the 1952 walcott over anyone coetzee fought. ill take the 1955 moore over anyone coetzee fought. ill also take the 1954 version of charles of the first marciano fight over anyone coetzee fought.

- stop saying walcott and moore were over the hill, cause they weren't. facts and there record back this up.

marciano fought far more important figures than coetzee ever fought.

I'd take Weaver's ko over Tate over Walcott's KO over Marciano as the most brutal Ive ever

didnt know marciano was knocked out during his career


marcianos KO over walcott will always be rated over weaver-tate by boxing fans.

Coetzee as Silov said fought some of the toughest men in his era

marciano fought the toughest men of his era

Weaver hit just as hard as Marciano and Coetzee took Weaver's best and only exhasution beat him

if he gets exhausted cause of weavers punches and workrate, i can only imagine how awful it will be for coetzee to be in the ring with marciano considering marcianos puncing abilities and workrate far exceeds weavers.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Coetzee as Silov said fought some of the toughest men in his era

marciano fought the toughest men of his era

Weaver hit just as hard as Marciano and Coetzee took Weaver's best and only exhasution beat him

if he gets exhausted cause of weavers punches and workrate, i can only imagine how awful it will be for coetzee to be in the ring with marciano considering marcianos puncing abilities and workrate far exceeds weavers.

We both know this is a futile argument. Think about it. You are actually having to argue to someone that Marciano was better than Mike Weaver.

walcott, charles, moore the versions that marciano beat were still better than anyone coetzee ever fought.

They were still lightheavyweights or as Walcott is concerned, at the end of his career. Coetzee fought Weaver, Tate, Snipes, Spinks, Thomas, Dokes, Bruno all in their absolutle primes and Coetzee should was robbed in the fights with Snipes and Thomas.

didnt know marciano was knocked out during his career


marcianos KO over walcott will always be rated over weaver-tate by boxing fans.

Yea i mean Marciano's KO over Walcott. But the Weaver - Tate KO in my opinion was more brutal and showed Weaver landed those same left hooks on Coetzee and Coetzee didnt even budge. If Coetzee can take Weaver's best, than Im sure he can take a more smaller and lighter man in Marciano.