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Granberry is John Galt just as much as Collins is theoneishere2008.

TOIH2008

Just because not everyone thinks that Ali should be voted
for man of the universe does not mean that they are in
leagues with Granberry.

We are all individuals and while we agree on some things we
also disagree on others.

That is what makes this forum so good, is that we have
so few "I agree" replies to opinion based statements
and we have those that keep what we feel, or think in
check. Even if we think what some one thinks is completely
bonkers...

or even if they do not appreciate ones poetry.

I Feel Fine wrote:Well that's the point. Granberry never responds when he is challenged in a real way. He'll simply call you a shill and move on. That's why its best to ignore him.

Hatas always want the target of their hate to lose...It's tautological...That's why they are hatas...It matters not the situation and when their target doesn't lose they look for a multitude of reasons or excuses why the target didn't... They ignore the obvious reason... The target is just good at what he or she does...It's a vicious circle...The hata hates his target and the more successful the target is the more upest and unhinged the hata becomes...

Robinson wrote:Granberry is John Galt just as much as Collins is theoneishere2008.

TOIH2008

Just because not everyone thinks that Ali should be voted
for man of the universe does not mean that they are in
leagues with Granberry.

We are all individuals and while we agree on some things we
also disagree on others.

That is what makes this forum so good, is that we have
so few "I agree" replies to opinion based statements
and we have those that keep what we feel, or think in
check. Even if we think what some one thinks is completely
bonkers...

or even if they do not appreciate ones poetry.

This whole thread went to pot when I challened granberry's assertion that "Ali ran from Patterson"
It is what is...Rather than defend his outlandish statement he turned it into a game of the dozens...

And no I don't think Ali is "the man of the universe"... I do think he's a great boxer and one of the most important people in the twentieth century...I don't think Mr's Mailer, Hauser, Newfield, Remick, Sugar, and Ms. Oates made Muhammad Ali the most recognizable person in the world thirty years after he laid a glove on anybody...

granberry wrote:We knew you were collins the whole time.

You spread your fixation on homosexuality over boxrec.

When you say we, who exactly do you mean?

Would that be the several pseudonyms you post under?

Or those alleged boxing experts you claim look in here and then call you and tell you what a wonderful job you are doing?

Or some young lads with broad backs who you pay to work in your garden? Is it double pay if they are willing to take off their shirts on warm day?

Or perhaps it is it Harold and Red to whom you allude? Didn't you once describe Red's legs as "a splendid pair"?

Remember that time you said Harold was a 'northpaw'? We haven't forgot.

Basically, you're pulling out all the stops to win an argument that you lost in the first sentence.

Is there an advertisement aspect to it? Possibly, I'm not aware of the origins of how the term "TKO" arose in boxing. But this is not an American thing. Watch any fight from any country, TKO's are included in the "KO" record of a fighter. When the drunken Brit fans who are supposedly more intelligent than their American contemporaries are screaming as loud as they can for the Hitman, and the ring announcer is introducing Hatton, he doesn't say that Hatton has 15 knockouts, he says that Hatton has 31.

You keep implying, like a 'twat' as the Brits are so fond of saying, that I somehow don't know the difference between a TKO and a KO. Really? What do you base that on, other than my use of typical boxing nomenclature? I think I clearly know the difference between a KO and a TKO, if you read my posts. You're the one confusing DQ's and TD's and not knowing the results of fights that nearly every regular boxing fan knows the results to. All I have said is that, traditionally, TKO's are included as a subset of a knockout, and that this has been in practice for over a century. Does this mean that I don't know the difference between what counts as a KO and what counts as a TKO? No, and to hell with you everytime you imply that I don't. Does this mean that I am some sort of unintelligent boxing fan who is over enthusiastic about knockouts? No, I did not invent this way of categorizing these fight results. Does this mean that I am a casual fan, new to the sport and unaware of how it works? No, because boxers who have spent their whole lives around the sport use this language as well. So what is your point? You don't have one. You're such a frivolous person and such a shallow thinker that you believe that boxing fans need to be more precise about something that no one is confused about, which everyone understands, and which no one has seen fit to change because it is so simple. You're the boxing equivalent of the guy who wants everyone in the room to wear name tags. You're a boxing nerd.

Gentlemen, we are here to discuss boxing...Perhaps I have been overexuberant in my defense of Muhammad Ali but there is a saying that the music one heard as a youth is the music he will rememember for the rest of his life...

You seem like good fellas except for granberry...He seems like he has the proverbial "stick" stuck up his a$$ or perhaps that is the member of one of the broad backed young men he pays time and one half to work shirtless in his garden...

There is such a thing as general terms in boxing. What you're doing is the equivalent of saying that its wrong to say that a fighter "won" a fight because that's not specific enough. Well, I'm not here to breakdown the Thrilla in Manila for your British ass, try finding looking for it while you're seeking a copy of Holyfield-Rahman.

I've shot down every point you've made, you've avoided every point I've made, like the fact that actual boxers, and not pathetic boxing nerds like you, talk this way, or the fact that this is not an "American thing" as you imply. I pulled out Lewis-Ruddock a minute ago, and the British announcer says that Lewis has 18 KO's, even though at that stage he had only put four opponents down for the ten count. What the hell was wrong with him? Didn't he know that was only something that stupid Americans do?

And, please, put me on your ignore list, my dear, and I hope granberry will follow your lead. You, on the contrary, have wasted my time trying to push a trivial way of talking about fights; which no one with any credibility in boxing jistory has ever seen fit to use. Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali and Louis had better things to do with their time than think to themselves "Gee, should I really call that win a knockout? The guy wasn't actually out for ten seconds. What do I do?"

Take your snobby half-thinking and try it on another poster.

And as I look on your edited post; waffled? Are you serious? You are actually sitting there thinking that I did not know the difference between a TKO and a KO before your simple ass explained it to me? Believe me, I knew the difference, and believe me, my original point stands; Ali knocked Frazier out. The day I need you to explain boxing to me is the day that I need granberry to tell me how to score Clay-Jones. And yes, I know you had Jones winning the fight, and yes, that's another example of what little you know about boxing.

Granberry, do what he did, and add this shill to your list. It's nice to be rid of the two biggest dipshits on boxrec. One thinks Leonard-Duran II should have been a DQ, one is such a simpleton that he needs to change the way the boxing world talks lest he be confused by the vagaries of boxing terminology. Play amongst yourselves, my dears, and leave me out of it.

Terry D wrote: You've not made a single point other than the one I originally made. You are clearly some Ali fanatic who somehow thinks he can get into other area of the sport. Take your nonsensical ramblings elsewhere, or perhaps read a little then come back. Go and flip some waffles.

I haven't reiterated any of your garbage. You're speaking nonsense, and you're wasting more of my time. Put me on your ignore list, already, and do some research on the history of boxing terminology. You'll be frightened by the vagary, but that's what happens when you learn new things.

We should all have a beer one day and dispense of this meanness... But we shall keep our shirts on...

Is Granberry British?

I don't think so...He does seem like a dyspeptic gentleman and one caught in the era of Eisenhower, Kruschev, and Harold MacMillan...

He is also mind numbingly predictable...

Terry D wrote:

I Feel Fine wrote:Granberry, do what he did, and add this shill to your list.

Sorry, how about that in English?

I am speaking English. Not sure what language you speak, but I want no part of it.

Tell us more about how you know more about knockouts than Robinson and Ali, considering their use of boxing terminology. They were casual observers of the sport, after all, unlike yourself.

Collins2000 wrote:

granberry wrote:We knew you were collins the whole time.

You spread your fixation on homosexuality over boxrec.

When you say we, who exactly do you mean?

Would that be the several pseudonyms you post under?

Or those alleged boxing experts you claim look in here and then call you and tell you what a wonderful job you are doing?

Or some young lads with broad backs who you pay to work in your garden? Is it double pay if they are willing to take off their shirts on warm day?

Or perhaps it is it Harold and Red to whom you allude? Didn't you once describe Red's legs as "a splendid pair"?

Remember that time you said Harold was a 'northpaw'? We haven't forgot.

BAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA

That had to leave a mark...

collins, the Code Pink boxrec poster with the homosexual fixation, has admitted that he is TheOne.

That would obvious already from the rabid Ali shilling and the ignorance of boxing in general on display in "TheOne's" posts.

granberry wrote:collins, the Code Pink boxrec poster with the homosexual fixation, has admitted that he is TheOne.

That would obvious already from the rabid Ali shilling and the ignorance of boxing in general on display in "TheOne's" posts.

Can you translate that into English please or did your all nighter with the young man with the broad back render you incoherent?

TheOne has now given away the fact he is collins, the Code Pinko boxrec poster with the homosexual fixation.

Under your new alias you couldn't control your urge to write about homosexuality for long, could you collins ?

Granny, they couldn't make you up.


:P

Granberry thinks the 30 or so people who have labeled him a know-nothing wanker are all the same person.

Why don't you put him right, Buzz, and post the ISP addresses we are all posting from? Or at the very least confirm they are all different.

You have done something similar before.

Then ask him to apologise or ban his trolling ass.

Granberry vs Collins, prime vs prime, 12 rounds, 20 ft ring...

who wins?

yancey wrote:Granberry vs Collins, prime vs prime, 12 rounds, 20 ft ring...

who wins?

Collins by ko, first round, "he can run, but he can't hide"

kikibalt wrote:

yancey wrote:Granberry vs Collins, prime vs prime, 12 rounds, 20 ft ring...

who wins?

Collins by ko, first round, "he can run, but he can't hide"

granberry is eighty years old...

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

yancey wrote:Granberry vs Collins, prime vs prime, 12 rounds, 20 ft ring...

who wins?

Collins by ko, first round, "he can run, but he can't hide"

granberry is eighty years old...

87, I believe but still virile, though. The things him and those young gardeners get up to, eh?

87, I believe but still virile, though. The things him and those young gardeners get up to, eh?

I believe Granny has went on a "business trip"...His doppelganger, john galt, will be posting in his stead...

I really don't dislike the old fella...He's like the crazy old guy in your neighborhood who is always hollering at the kids who walked on his lawn...

I Feel Fine wrote:Tell us more about how you know more about knockouts than Robinson and Ali, considering their use of boxing terminology. They were casual observers of the sport, after all, unlike yourself.

"I knocked out George Foreman, I knocked out Joe Frazier" -Muhammad Ali on his TKO win over Frazier
"It was the first time I knocked him out." -Robinson on his TKO win over LaMotta

Yes, terry certainly knows more about knockouts than they do. I'm sure I could find lots of other quotes from lots of other actual fighters; but I think thats enough. Not much else to say. Terry's an idiot.

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

87, I believe but still virile, though. The things him and those young gardeners get up to, eh?

I believe Granny has went on a "business trip"...His doppelganger, john galt, will be posting in his stead...

I really don't dislike the old fella...He's like the crazy old guy in your neighborhood who is always hollering at the kids who walked on his lawn...

Granberry: "Oooh Jim Jeffries had such big legs"

LOL

Knucklez wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

87, I believe but still virile, though. The things him and those young gardeners get up to, eh?

I believe Granny has went on a "business trip"...His doppelganger, john galt, will be posting in his stead...

I really don't dislike the old fella...He's like the crazy old guy in your neighborhood who is always hollering at the kids who walked on his lawn...

Granberry: "Oooh Jim Jeffries had such big legs"

LOL

I certainly wouldn't put it in those homoerotic terms but in any sport; boxing, basketball, basketball, golf, et cetera much of your strength does come from your legs...

Maybe Granny took a liking to boxing because the participants wore the least clothes; at least next to swimmers and sumo wrestlers...