Trump attacks Iran

[Nightmare Roy]

I think it will be a win for Iran and a loss for Israel in the sense that the US will completely leave the Middle East, no way will they spend billions rebuilding all the bases that have been destroyed. Netty has scored the best own goal ever seen.

[Nightmare Roy]

Winning

[Seamus]

The Houthis just hit Riyadh airport in Saudi Arabia from somewhere between 600-700 miles away and there's pictures to prove it Too bad they couldn't do it on 9-11.

[Nightmare Roy]

The Houthis just hit Riyadh airport in Saudi Arabia from somewhere between 600-700 miles away and there's pictures to prove it Too bad they couldn't do it on 9-11.

They'll be pulling all their money out of sports even faster soon

[Baby Face Finster]

The Houthis just hit Riyadh airport in Saudi Arabia from somewhere between 600-700 miles away and there's pictures to prove it Too bad they couldn't do it on 9-11.

They'll be pulling all their money out of sports even faster soon

Well the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia which funded the LIV Golf organization just recently filed for bankruptcy. It's good to see them lose massive amounts on their sportswashing spending.

[Seamus]

Some country needs to provide miitary aid to the Shia of Eastern Saudi Arabia so they can begin an insurgency against the House of Saud. It's time for the American people and those of other nations to stand up and say "We are not allies of Saudi Arabia".

[Tony1244]

Some country needs to provide miitary aid to the Shia of Eastern Saudi Arabia so they can begin an insurgency against the House of Saud. It's time for the American people and those of other nations to stand up and say "We are not allies of Saudi Arabia".

"I like the Saudi Prince a little too much." Trump's 101st reference to latent homosexuality. Trump loves Saudi Arabai. Trump loves war. You're not particularly good at this, are you Seamus?

[Coco]

Some country needs to provide miitary aid to the Shia of Eastern Saudi Arabia so they can begin an insurgency against the House of Saud. It's time for the American people and those of other nations to stand up and say "We are not allies of Saudi Arabia".

"I like the Saudi Prince a little too much." Trump's 101st reference to latent homosexuality. Trump loves Saudi Arabai. Trump loves war. You're not particularly good at this, are you Seamus?

I just don't get how Saudi was let off the hook for 9/11?

Or was it a genuine geographical mistake confusing Iraq for Saudi?

[SticknMove]

Some country needs to provide miitary aid to the Shia of Eastern Saudi Arabia so they can begin an insurgency against the House of Saud. It's time for the American people and those of other nations to stand up and say "We are not allies of Saudi Arabia".

"I like the Saudi Prince a little too much." Trump's 101st reference to latent homosexuality. Trump loves Saudi Arabai. Trump loves war. You're not particularly good at this, are you Seamus?

I just don't get how Saudi was let off the hook for 9/11?

Or was it a genuine geographical mistake confusing Iraq for Saudi?

Well you are right…,,

[Nightmare Roy]

Some country needs to provide miitary aid to the Shia of Eastern Saudi Arabia so they can begin an insurgency against the House of Saud. It's time for the American people and those of other nations to stand up and say "We are not allies of Saudi Arabia".

"I like the Saudi Prince a little too much." Trump's 101st reference to latent homosexuality. Trump loves Saudi Arabai. Trump loves war. You're not particularly good at this, are you Seamus?

I just don't get how Saudi was let off the hook for 9/11?

Or was it a genuine geographical mistake confusing Iraq for Saudi?

Fcuking mental isn't it, they flew his relatives out of the US a couple of days later, then went and killed a gangster who ran another country and another million people with him.

[Seamus]

Well Trump has refused direct military aid to the Saudis, so that's a good thing. This War has definitely been interesting, who would have imagined in their wildest dreams last year that Iran would practically shutdown every US base in the Middle East, force Israel to the sidelines, and that the Houthis would make the Saudis beg for military help.

[giacomino]

Well Trump has refused direct military aid to the Saudis, so that's a good thing. This War has definitely been interesting, who would have imagined in their wildest dreams last year that Iran would practically shutdown every US base in the Middle East, force Israel to the sidelines, and that the Houthis would make the Saudis beg for military help.

There were probably plenty of smart military folks/experts who predicted a shitshow. The problem is none of them work for/have sway in the Trump/Hegseth administration

[Coco]

Plenty of folk who aren't particularly smart also confidently predicted this war would be disastrous.

You don't need the brains of a rocket scientist to make such predictions.

However, many in the US think the war is going, and has gone really well, in fact it has been one of the best wars ever.....

[giacomino]

Plenty of folk who aren't particularly smart also confidently predicted this war would be disastrous.

You don't need the brains of a rocket scientist to make such predictions.

However, many in the US think the war is going, and has gone really well, in fact it has been one of the best wars ever.....

Not “many” beyond the White House and the MAGA faithful, and even not all of them. Polling is pretty bad on the war

[Perkin Warbeck]

Article from the Jerusalem Post:

https://www.jpost.com/defense-and-tech/article-906985

Economic enlistment for indebted military-age Americans

The narrative war on the domestic American front has already failed. The Pentagon has not been able to sell this war to the American public because the war has been rhetorically fused with Israel's operations in Gaza, and the American public rejects the fusion.

Recruitment numbers are running below what a ground invasion of Iran would require. Estimates for a successful ground campaign against Iran's 31 provincial commands and its Mosaic Defense Doctrine run between 750 thousand and 1.5 million American troops. The current active US Army stands at roughly 452 thousand. The math does not work, obviously.

Based on American history, however, there is a path forward. Not conscription or a draft in a world war-era sense, but enlistment through a “debt forgiveness program.”

The average American aged 18 to 34 carries more than $40 thousand in non-mortgage debt across student loans, credit card balances, auto loans, and personal loans, with some estimates go as high as $100 thousand.

This is the cohort the Pentagon needs. A federally administered debt-forgiveness enlistment program that fully discharges student loan, credit card, and loan balances after 24 or 36 months of service, and extends the GI Bill, would produce voluntary enlistment at scale.

This is not theoretical.

It is the American state doing what the American state has always done when it needed staff it could not otherwise generate. World War II offered the GI Bill. Vietnam offered college deferments. The post 9/11 wars offered signing bonuses and citizenship pathways. The Iran war will need to offer debt relief. The economics of the indebted American 20-and 30-something make this the most efficient conversion mechanism available to the Pentagon and the Trump administration.

States generate the soldiers they need through the incentives that work on the population they have.

[Ambling Alp II]

Well Trump has refused direct military aid to the Saudis, so that's a good thing. This War has definitely been interesting, who would have imagined in their wildest dreams last year that Iran would practically shutdown every US base in the Middle East, force Israel to the sidelines, and that the Houthis would make the Saudis beg for military help.

There were probably plenty of smart military folks/experts who predicted a shitshow. The problem is none of them work for/have sway in the Trump/Hegseth administration

Interesting? Lets not forget the United State blew up a school killing well over 100 girls. Great job Hegseth.

[Tony1244]

Some country needs to provide miitary aid to the Shia of Eastern Saudi Arabia so they can begin an insurgency against the House of Saud. It's time for the American people and those of other nations to stand up and say "We are not allies of Saudi Arabia".

"I like the Saudi Prince a little too much." Trump's 101st reference to latent homosexuality. Trump loves Saudi Arabai. Trump loves war. You're not particularly good at this, are you Seamus?

I just don't get how Saudi was let off the hook for 9/11?

Or was it a genuine geographical mistake confusing Iraq for Saudi?

We hate Iran and Iraq, and confuse them because there is just one letter of difference, but we love Saudi Arabia even though the vast majority of the hijackers were Saudi. Trump loves oil but his right hand guy Elon Musk's has done quite a bit for EVs and solar. Far Lefters want 3rd world immigration. These immigrants hate gays. The lefties wanting them in the country love gays.

Everything makes perfect sense.

[giacomino]

"I like the Saudi Prince a little too much." Trump's 101st reference to latent homosexuality. Trump loves Saudi Arabai. Trump loves war. You're not particularly good at this, are you Seamus?

I just don't get how Saudi was let off the hook for 9/11?

Or was it a genuine geographical mistake confusing Iraq for Saudi?

We hate Iran and Iraq, and confuse them because there is just one letter of difference, but we love Saudi Arabia even though the vast majority of the hijackers were Saudi. Trump loves oil but his right hand guy Elon Musk's has done quite a bit for EVs and solar. Far Lefters want 3rd world immigration. These immigrants hate gays. The lefties wanting them in the country love gays.

Everything makes perfect sense.

Nah, far lefties want a Free Palestine so fewer Palestinians come to the US

[Baby Face Finster]

I'm slightly left of center on most things but right on immigration. I only want immigrants who will try to adapt to the culture of the country they come to. If you come to try and turn this country into the one you left then I don't want you, stay the fuck home. Bringing your language and customs is fine as long as you don't break the laws and constitution of this country. Wanting to change the laws of this country to suit your culture is a big no go. No parallel society should ever be tolerated.

[greg]

I'm slightly left of center on most things but right on immigration. I only want immigrants who will try to adapt to the culture of the country they come to. If you come to try and turn this country into the one you left then I don't want you, stay the fuck home. Bringing your language and customs is fine as long as you don't break the laws and constitution of this country. Wanting to change the laws of this country to suit your culture is a big no go. No parallel society should ever be tolerated.

I agree with that. Those are pretty much the same principles I’ve tried to follow since I moved to Europe 30+ years ago ... and I still do.

[Tony1244]

I'm slightly left of center on most things but right on immigration. I only want immigrants who will try to adapt to the culture of the country they come to. If you come to try and turn this country into the one you left then I don't want you, stay the fuck home. Bringing your language and customs is fine as long as you don't break the laws and constitution of this country. Wanting to change the laws of this country to suit your culture is a big no go. No parallel society should ever be tolerated.

I agree with that. Those are pretty much the same principles I’ve tried to follow since I moved to Europe 30+ years ago ... and I still do.

I think we are part of the centrist brigade here. Immigration for cheap labor and so fools can feel less guilty is a huge no-no. The immigration issue also pushes people to the Right. For example when someone votes Reform or GOP in the US, they may be voting on immigration. Sadly, at least in the US, they re also f*king up the environment, not to mention probably their own birth control.

[IKSRTFO]

Don't take Trump seriously until he DOES something. He just SAYS sh*t all the time.

Are at the point where we take him seriously now?

[Baby Face Finster]

I'm slightly left of center on most things but right on immigration. I only want immigrants who will try to adapt to the culture of the country they come to. If you come to try and turn this country into the one you left then I don't want you, stay the fuck home. Bringing your language and customs is fine as long as you don't break the laws and constitution of this country. Wanting to change the laws of this country to suit your culture is a big no go. No parallel society should ever be tolerated.

I agree with that. Those are pretty much the same principles I’ve tried to follow since I moved to Europe 30+ years ago ... and I still do.

I think we are part of the centrist brigade here. Immigration for cheap labor and so fools can feel less guilty is a huge no-no. The immigration issue also pushes people to the Right. For example when someone votes Reform or GOP in the US, they may be voting on immigration. Sadly, at least in the US, they re also f*king up the environment, not to mention probably their own birth control.

The only way we’re gonna save the planet and the natural environment is to come up with an alternative to fossil fuels and to also acknowledge that unlimited continuous growth is impossible when we’re dealing with finite resources.

There are only so much fish in the oceans to catch, only so much minerals in the ground to dig up and only so much arable land to grow crops on without having to destroy all the world’s forests to increase crop production.

Unlimited growth is impossible and unsustainable on this planet without destroying the whole ecosystem of the planet and especially with population growth fueling the need for more of everything.

It’ll be a slow death spiral if we don’t reduce the world’s population and stop stripping the planet of all its resources and this is my main point of contention with capitalism. At some point humanity has to realize that we can’t continue to strip the world of everything to maintain growth.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- All right all you boys and any of the few gals we might have left from when I first started posting, here is the Primer that shows that the Saudi Government had nothing to do with 9/11.

Bin Laden was a Billionaire Architect who set up various Terrorist cells in various Mid Eastern States that are currently wrecking the Middle East. He was viciously opposed to the Saudi Kingdom and thus exiled several years before 911. Thus Binny has more in common with Seamus and a few others on this forum than anyone else.

The Blue Ribbon Rep/Dem Airline Safety Committee headed by Vice President Al Gore spent many weeks taking testimony from airline officials and passed New Regulations to enhance Airline Safety. Problem was this was on the eve of the 2000 Prez elections where VP Gore was going up against the DUMBEREST Prez candidate in history, GW Dumb who was tutored by arch conservative Karl Rove. Net results were was the Airline Legislation was killed by Reps going into the 2000 elections which was the most contested and incompetent elections in history.

Now, the FBI had files on most of the 9/11 Hijackers and knew many had been taking flying lessons and did nothing.

Here is the 9/11 Congressional Report that shows most all the Hijackers to be a bunch of goofy college kids, but somewhere in time Binny managed to radicalize them into 9/11. Most set off initial Airline warnings that were overridden>>>>> to Rump.

https://intelligence.house.gov/wp-conte ... Report.pdf

I have a copy that I went through.

Could this be The End?

According to the Federation of American Scientists (FAS), there are 12,187 nuclear warheads in the world and approximately 3,912 of these are active, as of 2026.

Countries with Nukes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ar_weapons

[bmw hector]