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Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 15:45
by DrDuke
Bowe-Tillery Dilogy

Everything was clear after the first round, after which the infamous riot started and Tillery was DQed. Bowe was methodically outboxing Tillery, eventually sending him down. If not the riot, the fight would last for a couple of rounds more and would end like the second one ended. There Bowe had a bit slow start and Tillery took the 1st round, but then Riddick methodically outboxed Tillery again. In the 4th he hurt Tillery with an overhand right, send him to the ropes and unleashed the barrage of shots. Many were blocked, but Tillery still was dazed and after clean right uppercut he was hurt even more, he turned his back and was given a standing 8 count, after which he refused to continue.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:22
by DrDuke
Riddick Bowe vs Jorge Luis Gonzalez

A great beatdown. Bowe outclassed Gonzalez in every round. Gonzalez was forced to spend a lot of time in the corner / on the ropes. Bowe uses his jab and right hand perfectly. Gonzalez was hurt and wobbled on numerous occasions. In the 6th and final round, while being again in the corner, Gonzalez took a spectacular one-two from Bowe, after what Gonzalez was out and unluckily for him he was falling too slow, so that Bowe was able to throw a couple of hooks. A suberb performance by Bowe.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 20:15
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
- Manny vs Lhelo Ledwaba.

Ledwaba on a tear with a half dozen IBF wins, most by KO. Manny flies in from the Philippines on 2 week notice as an unknown replacement in his Ameican debut. Watching Lamps, Merchant, and George struggle in mangling his name priceless.

Lhelo same sized orthodox mixed with power, speed, reflexes and awkward footwork. Manny punches sound sick as he puts down the shocked Lhelo early and busting him up. Lhelo game, but out on his back as the HBO crew is still sputtering over their new crown jewel being polished by Freddie Roach.

Maybe the most dynamic American debut of a foreign fighter in history.

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Lehl ... y_Pacquiao

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 20:36
by DrDuke
Bowe-Golota Dilogy

#1:
Bowe appeared out of shape and relaxed. He clearly underestimated Golota. The bout started in a tactical fashion and Golota was outboxing Bowe. Then Riddick decided to make it a fight in the 2nd round. He started to have more success, but still Golota was edging. At that point Golota started to land low, that could sound natural at that point, as it was a brawl, but later Golota was outfighting Bowe in a more convincing fashion, but he continued to land low blows. Bow appeared totally unprepared, it was a gift to Golota, which Andrew didn't take for some unknown reason.

#2:
Bowe came out drain and seemed to be a bit nervous. He again tried a tactical affair, but Golota had even more success, than in a previous bout. After Golota knocked Bowe down in the 2nd round, he could methodically finish the job, but for some reason Golota was headbutting while trying to develop the success. There was absolutely no reason in fouls after having such a success. That only made Bowe angry, he again left behind cautious tactics and began to fight in the 3rd round. In the 4th Bowe returned the favor of a knockdown, Golota began hitting low after that, which caused 10-7 instead of 10-8 for him. After this round both were very tired. Bowe tried to develop the succes in the 5th, but then he totally gased out and was dropped for the second time. Since than Bowe was taking a beating. After the 7th, which even was fair to be scored 10-8 for Golota, Bowe's corner warned Riddick, that he had to do something, if he wanted to continue the fight. Bowe bounced back in the 8th, but in the 9th Golota started to take over, after what he again hit low and spoiled everything for himself.

Overall, it's hard to take these bouts as vicories for Bow, although Riddick should be given a huge credit for fighting back after taking a beating. Golota spoiled everything for himself both of times, probably even he doesn't know why. Bowe chose it correct to retire afterwards. If it was an underestimation for the first bout, he just couldn't make it in the second one. Holyfield wars took a lot from Bowe. Riddick was never the same after the first Holyfield fight, he was shot after the third one. Anyway, he blew many things himself, after he became a champion. It's true, that Bowe was both a talent and a wasted potential.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 26 Apr 2020, 07:13
by handsofstone
Azumah Nelson vs Wilfredo Gomez



Nelson KOs Gomez in the 11th round to become World Featherweight champion, excellent performance from Nelson, he was the boss from the opening bell, controlled ring centre and dictated the terms of the fight, his jab was key, he stuck it in Gomez's face all night, forced him back and hit him with clean punches from all angles


Gomez was tough as expected and tried to claw things back, obviously realising his title was slipping away and he landed single shots but couldn't really get anywhere, in the 11th Nelson rocked Gomez with a big right hand early in the round and battered him around the ring for over a minute, Gomez was reeling and done superb to stay on his feet and throw back, eventually it was too much and a clubbing right from Nelson finally sent him to the canvas, he got up but straight away Nelson banged him out with a combination that had him poleaxed

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 26 Apr 2020, 10:07
by Tony1244
Bowe vs Golota 2.

What wasted talent. Eddie Futch gave up on Bowe and isn't in Riddick's corner for the 2nd fight. Golota wom most rounds in both fights but defeated himself. His low blows and headbutt or 2 looked more to be mistakes of temperament than physical mistakes.

2 fighters who were beaten by themselves.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 26 Apr 2020, 18:25
by Onetimeonly
Never see where people are coming from saying that about bowe. Golota for sure. I imagine futch wanted him to retire with him noticeably slurring after the holy trilogy.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 26 Apr 2020, 18:31
by gilgamesh
Onetimeonly wrote: 26 Apr 2020, 18:25 Never see where people are coming from saying that about bowe. Golota for sure. I imagine futch wanted him to retire with him noticeably slurring after the holy trilogy.
People just wanted to see more of Bowe I guess, but yeah the Holyfield fights caught up with him quick. The Golota fights certainly didn't help. He got the hell beat out of him in those fights.

Might be some of the worst ass kickings a guy has ever took while still managing to go 2-0 against a guy.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 05:28
by DrDuke
Chris Byrd vs Andrew Golota

A pretty interesting clash of styles fight. A big aggressor vs the smaller and slicker opponent. An orthodox vs a southpaw. A hard-hitting fighter vs a feather-fisted one. A white guy vs a black guy, it was opposite in every way. :lol: Golota was well-prepared physically and mentally for this bout. Andrew was coming forward for all the time. Byrd showed some impressive defensive skills. A big part of the fight time was with Byrd being on the ropes and Golota trying to catch him there. The early part of the bout was very close. Then it seemed like Golota began to edge a little bit, he wasn't only a more active competitor, but his blows looked more telling, although he was barely landing clean. Byrd calculated Golota completely by the later rounds, he became sharper there, Golota was even backed up by Byrd's punches on several occasions. I'd say, Byrd a bit edged this fight, while he took the ending quite confidently. Golota was far more active, still Byrd was more effective.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 05:29
by handsofstone
Wilfredo Gomez vs Rocky Lockridge


Gomez beats Lockridge by close MD to become World Super Featherweight champion, controversial decision as most felt Lockridge done enough to keep hold of his title, it was a cracking battle, pretty much 15 rounds of both men slugging it out in the middle of the ring, no clinching or spoiling, just both trading bombs, Lockridge looked the stronger man and it did look like Gomez was struggling to keep him off, still he fought it out, massive heart, Gomez finished strong down the straight and that's what won him the title but you've got to feel for Lockridge, he did look the better man

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 06:55
by DrDuke
John Ruiz vs Andrew Golota

Actually, despite a World title status of the bout, I'm not even sure, if this can be called a classic fight, because it was an absolute disgrace in terms of the champion's performance and the judging. Ruiz came out with his trademark clinching, he took the 1st round, but it the 2nd one Golota caught him twice on the way inside and sent him down both of those times. Since then Ruiz was more cautious and his hit-and-grab tactics became more dependant on grabbing. Furthermore, Ruiz wasn't only providing his trademark excessive holding, he was also hitting in the clinches. The referee deducted from Ruiz a point in the 4th, but that wasn't enough really, as Ruiz' tactics didn't change after that. Golota was taking rounds, as he was outlanding Ruiz. Although Golota could have been even more convincing, if he used his jab more, like he had done before, for example, in Bowe fights. Anyway, Golota was winning the fight and Ruiz became better only in the late rounds, ironically after his crazy coach had been disqualified and taken away from the ring for repeated insulting the referee at the breaks. Ruiz began to land his noticeable shots only since then and it was the 8th round. Golota also had his controvercy, as he hit Ruiz clearly after the bell after the 10th and sent him down. The ref was a bit confused there (which is logical in such an ugly fight), he said, that the punch had been landed at the bell, but in this case he had to give a count to Ruiz, while he hadn't done it. Anyway, Ruiz had much more dirty moments and could easily be DQed earlier and he should have been DQed. So, Golota won that "fight", but the corrupt Don King's judges provided an awful robbery.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 13:30
by PredatorHayds
Lou Duva is great in the Golota-Bowe fight.

I loved Duva. When your too crazy for Lou then you must have serious mental problems.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 21:26
by oogiebe
Ali vs Bonavena

Strange fight where it seemed that Ali could just dominate with his jab as he did vs Quarry six weeks earlier, but he didn't use it. Flat footed and throwing more left hook counters and lead rights, Ali finally stopped Oscar in the 15th upon the third knockdown. The end starting with a brilliant left hook counter to start the knockdown sequence. Ali still dominated the scoring throughout.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 03:57
by milpool
Roberto Duran v Kirkland Laing

Inspired by the Kirkland Laing thread on the British & Irish forum, I watched Laing's greatest win against the Panamanian legend.
Laing shaded the first round for me but was booed in the second as he looked to get on his bike which frustrated the crowd as well as his opponent. However a few decent shots from Duran made Laing realise that those tactics wouldn't work with Duran constantly coming forward. Laing then upped his game and had Duran missing wildly, his timing was completely off for this fight. Duran rallied briefly in the sixth but from then on it was all Laing and he finished strongly and rocked Duran with some decent heavy shots. The commentators suggested that Duran was there for the taking but I didn't think it was likely. Although he was soaking up plenty of pressure I didn't feel that Duran was ever at risk of being stopped.
I scored it 98-92 to Laing, Al Bernstein scored it similar, however he had the first round even for a score of 98-93 for Laing.
It says it all that even the commentators felt that the Englishman was at risk of being robbed and although he got the nod, a split decision was a ridiculous outcome as Laing dominated.

The irony of watching this fight was that it took place in 1982 and the commentators were already writing Duran's obitury and suggesting that this was it for Roberto. Little did they know that he continued on for another 19 years and won another world title less than a year later.

Incidentally, after watching this I then fast forwarded 16 years and watched Duran v Joppy from 1998. A three round hiding and more suggestions that the game was up for Duran.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 04:33
by handsofstone
Prince Naseem Hamed vs Steve Robinson



Hamed stops the brave Robinson in the 8th to become World Featherweight champion, excellent from Naz, showed he was a few levels above Robinson, he just toyed with him really , fought at a fairly slow pace, took his time, patiently dissected Robinson and took him apart, up and down, uppercuts through the middle, hooks around the side, hands low, enticing Robinson to take chances so he could nail him with hard fast counter combinations


Hamed put Robinson down in the 5th with a left/ right/left/right, Robinson got up but Hamed kept cool and hust continued to work him over, Hamed ended things in the 8th when he clipped Robinson with a left hand, Robinson's legs buckled before he collapsed to canvas, the ref immediately waved it off, a bit quick for my liking, Robinson was being took apart but Hamed wasnt going all out, I'm sure it was a formality but Robinson as World champ who'd never been stopped maybe could've been allowed to carry on

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 06:50
by milpool
handsofstone wrote: 28 Apr 2020, 04:33 Prince Naseem Hamed vs Steve Robinson



Hamed stops the brave Robinson in the 8th to become World Featherweight champion, excellent from Naz, showed he was a few levels above Robinson, he just toyed with him really , fought at a fairly slow pace, took his time, patiently dissected Robinson and took him apart, up and down, uppercuts through the middle, hooks around the side, hands low, enticing Robinson to take chances so he could nail him with hard fast counter combinations


Hamed put Robinson down in the 5th with a left/ right/left/right, Robinson got up but Hamed kept cool and hust continued to work him over, Hamed ended things in the 8th when he clipped Robinson with a left hand, Robinson's legs buckled before he collapsed to canvas, the ref immediately waved it off, a bit quick for my liking, Robinson was being took apart but Hamed wasnt going all out, I'm sure it was a formality but Robinson as World champ who'd never been stopped maybe could've been allowed to carry on
I watched this a couple of weeks ago. This was a superb perfomance from Naz and I was struggling to think of an established champion who had looked so outclassed in a title defence as Robinson did here.
The finish was a bit anti-climatic but the reaction from Robinson suggested he'd had enough, if anything I think he was pleased that his torment was over.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 10:31
by handsofstone
milpool wrote: 28 Apr 2020, 06:50
handsofstone wrote: 28 Apr 2020, 04:33 Prince Naseem Hamed vs Steve Robinson



Hamed stops the brave Robinson in the 8th to become World Featherweight champion, excellent from Naz, showed he was a few levels above Robinson, he just toyed with him really , fought at a fairly slow pace, took his time, patiently dissected Robinson and took him apart, up and down, uppercuts through the middle, hooks around the side, hands low, enticing Robinson to take chances so he could nail him with hard fast counter combinations


Hamed put Robinson down in the 5th with a left/ right/left/right, Robinson got up but Hamed kept cool and hust continued to work him over, Hamed ended things in the 8th when he clipped Robinson with a left hand, Robinson's legs buckled before he collapsed to canvas, the ref immediately waved it off, a bit quick for my liking, Robinson was being took apart but Hamed wasnt going all out, I'm sure it was a formality but Robinson as World champ who'd never been stopped maybe could've been allowed to carry on
I watched this a couple of weeks ago. This was a superb perfomance from Naz and I was struggling to think of an established champion who had looked so outclassed in a title defence as Robinson did here.
The finish was a bit anti-climatic but the reaction from Robinson suggested he'd had enough, if anything I think he was pleased that his torment was over.
Aye your right mate Robinson looked just about spent

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 11:14
by Duran1970
Roberto Duran vs Kirkland Laing

A close fight..scores were right...Laing does nothing the first two rounds..I had it 96-94 Laing as did two judges..Duran gassed out and lost the last 4 rounds..this was not a 8-2 fight for Laing no matter what notorious Duran hater Al Bernstein wanted you to believe.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 12:16
by DrDuke
Riddick Bowe vs Herbie Hide

Hide had a decent start, he was looking good with his hand speed and movement, while Bowe was looking for the target. Hide took the first two rounds. Bowe became more active in the fall of the 2nd with jabbing more. In the 3rd Bowe hurt Hide with a jab. After that a strange thing happened. Bowe smelled blood and increased the pressure. Hide at first tried to fight back. Then they were closing, while Bowe was swinging with right hand, but it didn't seemed, that he landed clean, more likely he hit with a forearm, or maybe Hide was hit by a shoulder of Bowe's left hand, it wasn't clear. Anyway, after that moment Hide went down. It was ruled as a sleep, but Hide looked dazed. Since then Bowe was destroying Hide. In the 6th Herbie went down for the 7th time and was counted out.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 17:09
by milpool
Charles Brewer v Antwun Echols

A crazy fight, nothing much to split them in the first but Brewer probably shaded it. The second round was all Brewer as he put Echols down heavily three times. The first knockdown was a superb right hand on the button which Echols struggled to recover from. He was put down twice more and he struggled to finish the round, perhaps only doing so as the third knockdown came just seconds before the bell.
The third round saw Brewer come out intending to finish it quickly but in doing so he got careless. He was eventually caught and although he didn't go down, the referee, Mike Ortega, ruled that Brewer was held up by the ropes. Echols then hit Brewer with some heavy shots and with Brewer on the ropes Ortega called a halt. The crowd didn't like it, Brewer didn't like it and considering Echols looked down and out and allowed to carry on just minutes earlier, you can understand why the stoppage was greeted with derision.

Ortega was interviewed in the ring and he suggested Echols looked OK after his knockdowns but he felt Brewer was done. I think Brewer was right to feel slightly aggrieved.
Definitely worth a watch...

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 23:46
by elmersalsa
handsofstone wrote: 26 Apr 2020, 07:13 Azumah Nelson vs Wilfredo Gomez



Nelson KOs Gomez in the 11th round to become World Featherweight champion, excellent performance from Nelson, he was the boss from the opening bell, controlled ring centre and dictated the terms of the fight, his jab was key, he stuck it in Gomez's face all night, forced him back and hit him with clean punches from all angles


Gomez was tough as expected and tried to claw things back, obviously realising his title was slipping away and he landed single shots but couldn't really get anywhere, in the 11th Nelson rocked Gomez with a big right hand early in the round and battered him around the ring for over a minute, Gomez was reeling and done superb to stay on his feet and throw back, eventually it was too much and a clubbing right from Nelson finally sent him to the canvas, he got up but straight away Nelson banged him out with a combination that had him poleaxed
BY the time of the knockout, I had Bazooka winning the fight, not The Professor.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 05:04
by handsofstone
Prince Naseem Hamed vs Manuel Medina



Hamed stops Medina after 11 rounds to retain his World Featherweight title, Medina down 3 times but still gave Hamed a helluva fight, Hamed had him down in the 2nd round from a big leaping left hand, Medina was hurt but there was only seconds left and he made it out of the round, after that Hamed lost his way, his timing was off, his balance was all over the place and he was looking to land that one big shot, Medina grew into the fight and started tagging Naz with some flush right hands and maybe even take the lead


Hamed began to make inroads into 7th and cranked up the heat but in the 8th Medina was back on top, things changed in the 9th when Hamed had Medina down twice, first from a jolting right hand then a counter right, Medina gamely got up both times but Hamed was in control, after a torrid 11th round when Hamed busted Medina up, his corner pulled their man with 1 round left

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 30 Apr 2020, 05:18
by handsofstone
Prince Naseem Hamed vs Kevin Kelley



Hamed KOs Kelley in the 4th to retain his World Featherweight title, excellent fight, both men down 3 times, Kelley put Hamed down in the 1st with a right hand, Hamed was down again in the 2nd from a Kelley left hand but he got up to deck Kelley with a short right hook

In the 3rd Kelley repeatedly snapped the head off Hamed with the southpaw jab, Naz tried switching orthodox but lost the round, 4th round Hamed decks Kelley with 2 left hands but got clipped with a right hook which had him touching down for a third KD, he wasnt hurt and finished things straight after nailing Kelley with a left hand to end the fight

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 30 Apr 2020, 14:55
by Bodyshot3
Riddick Bowe vs Herbie Hide

Hide had a decent start, he was looking good with his hand speed and movement, while Bowe was looking for the target. Hide took the first two rounds. Bowe became more active in the fall of the 2nd with jabbing more. In the 3rd Bowe hurt Hide with a jab. After that a strange thing happened. Bowe smelled blood and increased the pressure. Hide at first tried to fight back. Then they were closing, while Bowe was swinging with right hand, but it didn't seemed, that he landed clean, more likely he hit with a forearm, or maybe Hide was hit by a shoulder of Bowe's left hand, it wasn't clear. Anyway, after that moment Hide went down. It was ruled as a sleep, but Hide looked dazed. Since then Bowe was destroying Hide. In the 6th Herbie went down for the 7th time and was counted out.
It remains a frustrating fight for British fight fans I'd suggest and not least because Hide had heaps of natural talent and a menu of options in terms of dealing with guys like Bowe and Vitali.

But he tended to be a red mist guy at precisely the wrong moment when in with way bigger guys like Bowe and Vitali - getting super aggressive - and not being mindful that these huge men could buzz him even with even a scuffed shot.

I wished Hide had zipped in and out - just doing some ok scoring - and forced Bowe to do the chasing as the rounds ebbed away and Herbie was more than quick and elusive enough to keep out of harm's way.

He just fancied both fights far too much and took way too many risks - when patience, speed and dragging the big fella around the ring for the distance would have been a better option. But Herbie was not a man to be told :roll:

The Bowe performance I kind of get...a young British fighter in America, needing to get cracking and take a risk.
But he got Vitali all wrong a full 4 years after the Bowe fight; same mistakes all over again and on home turf.

Re: Classic fights I've watched recently

Posted: 30 Apr 2020, 18:00
by Stuarty
I'm watching Calzaghe v Lacy for about the 40th time! Needed cheering up and that was an absolute stormer of a performance :salut: