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Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 18:25
by Rick Farris
Expug wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
bennie wrote: Kenny hit 60 quite recently but - get this - still weighs in at lightweight; Tommy has sadly passed on. Ken was in brilliant form when I spoke to him about 18 months ago but may still be estranged from his kids, given he hasn't lived in Edinburgh for years. He lives in Glasgow, which is on the other side of Scotland to Edinburgh.
I have heard that Kenny has bad spells with alcohol, but I certainly wouldn't have known it from speaking to him. He looked great: smartly-dressed and smiling. Whatever his vices (and we all have at least one of those), he is certainly a survivor. And a great fighter.

I worked briefly with Buchanan, as a sparring partner, for his 1971 title defense with my stablemate, Ruben Navarro. I also fought on the undercard of the fight, and saw about 100 Scots wearing kilts, playing bag pipes and challenging any of the locals who dare laugh at their attire. Full of ale and ready for action, the normally out-of-control fans of Navarro, stayed clear of the Buchanan loyalists, and gave them plenty of room when they walked by. It was a tough crowd, but the L.A. trouble makers seemed tame in the company of these guys.

-Rick Farris
It must have been great working with Ken , Rick.
I played a couple seasons with the Chicago Griffins Rugby Club after my boxing days.
We played three matches in Scotland and it was a great time.
Glasgow, Edinburgh, and a team in The Highlands Elgin.
Those guys were very tough. But also alot of fun ...afterwards that is.

I know what you mean, PUG! Had a lot of fun with my buddies across the pond. Can't wait to go back next year.

-Rick Farris

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 18:29
by Rick Farris
silkov wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
bennie wrote: Kenny hit 60 quite recently but - get this - still weighs in at lightweight; Tommy has sadly passed on. Ken was in brilliant form when I spoke to him about 18 months ago but may still be estranged from his kids, given he hasn't lived in Edinburgh for years. He lives in Glasgow, which is on the other side of Scotland to Edinburgh.
I have heard that Kenny has bad spells with alcohol, but I certainly wouldn't have known it from speaking to him. He looked great: smartly-dressed and smiling. Whatever his vices (and we all have at least one of those), he is certainly a survivor. And a great fighter.
Thanks, Bennie. I wasn't aware of Buchanan's life since he retired from boxing. Always hope to hear something positive, but life is sometimes difficult to deal with for retired champions. When I think of Ken Buchanan, I think of the guy who easily took apart defending lightweight champ, Ismael Laguna. Just months previous, Laguna had regained the lightweight title by slicing up Mando Ramos.

We saw the Duran fight, however, if I could put together a "dream fight" scenerio, it would pit the "Tartan Titan" with our "El Gato". Buchanan, a master boxer with a pumping left jab & mega cajones, and Gonzalez, his bobbing, weaving, shifting, stalking, hooking, slipping & sliding his way inside Kenny's piston-like jab, digging gonchos into the body, forcing his will.

Rodolfo Gonzalez was the strongest lightweight boxer I ever saw. Ken Buchanan, one of the most talented of his era, not to mention courageous.

We saw how Buchanan stood in with Duran, how he dominated Laguna, and others. We watched "El Gato" bring the lightweight title back to Los Angeles, when he destroyed Chango Carmona, who was at his best following his brutal KO of Mando Ramos, for the WBC title. There was something about Rodolfo Gonzalez that was just overpowering, he walked thru lightweights like a middleweight. My friend, Ruben Navarro, won't attest to Gonzalez walking over him, in a 1973 title defense. However, that's what the fans remember.

Buchanan vs. Gonzalez . . . now that would be a great fight!!

-Rick Farris[/quote

I remember he was badly assaulted by someone a few years back and suffered bad back injuries but he seems t have turned his life around a bit recently and is more in the public eye than he used to be... going to memorbilia fayres and the like... he looks in good shape too... there was a big story a while back when he met up again with Roberto Duran...

Thanks, Silkov, that's good to know.

Re: Eder Jofre . . .

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 19:19
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:Eder Jofre . . .

This coming June, I'll be spending a few weeks in Brazil, with my wife Monica. Monica is from Bahia, and speaks several languages fluently. The language of Brazil is Portugese, and I would like to interview Eder Jofre, when we are in the country. Jofre, is the mayor of Sao Paolo. If Jofre speaks English, great, howver, if not, Monica can interpret for me.

I have a lot of questions for Jofre, who is one of the greatest PFP all-time greats. If anybody here can think of anything they would like me to ask Eder Jofre ( depending on my getting the interview), let me know. We all have different experiences and knowledge, I'm for anything that will enrich the interview.

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Eder Jofre and father

-Rick Farris

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 19:25
by Rick Farris
Eddie Marcus . . .

Does anybody remember an L.A. lightweight, Eddie Marcus, who fought between 1938-47?

Marcus fought up and down the coast, but started out as a hot local attraction at the Olympic Auditorium, as well as the Hollywood Legion Stadium and other L.A. venues. An old friend of mine had grown up with Marcus, and would tell of him fighting as an amateur back in high school.

Marcus was a guy who fought during that very tough era, and beat some top fighters. Frank, I know he retired about the time you started attending fights, and his last bouts were in Australia. I was wondering if you knew of Eddie Marcus? Dagos? Anybody??

Somebody told me that Eddie Marcus, after retiring, had become a bartender, and worked in a Wilshire area tavern owned by George Parnassus. I believe he also worked the bar in one of Suey Welch's restaurants, in the same neighborhood. Eddie was smart, good looking and had been a Golden Gloves champ prior to an impressive pro career.

I never saw Eddie Marcus fight, however, a lot of the L.A. crowd who were a part of the era, such as Suey Welch, Parnassus, Jimmy MacLarnin, etc., spoke highly of him. I can't remember Hap Navarro commenting on Marcus, but I wish I'd asked about him. Hap knows more about that era than anybody I know. He was a part of it.

Any information would be appreciated.

-Rick Farris

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 20:25
by Rick Farris
Rick Farris wrote:Eddie Marcus . . .

Does anybody remember an L.A. lightweight, Eddie Marcus, who fought between 1938-47?

Marcus fought up and down the coast, but started out as a hot local attraction at the Olympic Auditorium, as well as the Hollywood Legion Stadium and other L.A. venues. An old friend of mine had grown up with Marcus, and would tell of him fighting as an amateur back in high school.

Marcus was a guy who fought during that very tough era, and beat some top fighters. Frank, I know he retired about the time you started attending fights, and his last bouts were in Australia. I was wondering if you knew of Eddie Marcus? Dagos? Anybody??

Somebody told me that Eddie Marcus, after retiring, had become a bartender, and worked in a Wilshire area tavern owned by George Parnassus. I believe he also worked the bar in one of Suey Welch's restaurants, in the same neighborhood. Eddie was smart, good looking and had been a Golden Gloves champ prior to an impressive pro career.

I never saw Eddie Marcus fight, however, a lot of the L.A. crowd who were a part of the era, such as Suey Welch, Parnassus, Jimmy MacLarnin, etc., spoke highly of him. I can't remember Hap Navarro commenting on Marcus, but I wish I'd asked about him. Hap knows more about that era than anybody I know. He was a part of it.

Any information would be appreciated.

-Rick Farris


Dagos . . . Eddie Marcus last fight took place at the Coliseum in San Diego, in 1947. I know you guys used to love that "cockpit", but it was a graveyard for L.A. boxers. Just ask Ruben Navarro, and, Eddie Marcus.

Hey Frank, do you remember Archie Grant? I remember him training boxers in L.A. during the 70's. Eddie Marcus decisioned Grant in 1938, at the Olympic. Long time ago, huh?

-Rick Farris

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 20:30
by Rick Farris
granberry wrote:I have heard that Jofre was a vegetarian.

True!

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 20:41
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:Eddie Marcus . . .

Does anybody remember an L.A. lightweight, Eddie Marcus, who fought between 1938-47?

Marcus fought up and down the coast, but started out as a hot local attraction at the Olympic Auditorium, as well as the Hollywood Legion Stadium and other L.A. venues. An old friend of mine had grown up with Marcus, and would tell of him fighting as an amateur back in high school.

Marcus was a guy who fought during that very tough era, and beat some top fighters. Frank, I know he retired about the time you started attending fights, and his last bouts were in Australia. I was wondering if you knew of Eddie Marcus? Dagos? Anybody??


Somebody told me that Eddie Marcus, after retiring, had become a bartender, and worked in a Wilshire area tavern owned by George Parnassus. I believe he also worked the bar in one of Suey Welch's restaurants, in the same neighborhood. Eddie was smart, good looking and had been a Golden Gloves champ prior to an impressive pro career.

I never saw Eddie Marcus fight, however, a lot of the L.A. crowd who were a part of the era, such as Suey Welch, Parnassus, Jimmy MacLarnin, etc., spoke highly of him. I can't remember Hap Navarro commenting on Marcus, but I wish I'd asked about him. Hap knows more about that era than anybody I know. He was a part of it.

Any information would be appreciated.

-Rick Farris
Rick,

Eddie Marcus career ended just as I started going to the fights, what I know about him is what I heard from other people, and its not much, Eddie was a good boxer with not much of a chin, though he fougth the top guys of his era, he won so, lost some, as for bartending, I know he did bartend for Nick Serfas, over by LAX, also he did same in Las Vegas, Eddie had a bother, Hank who Managed fighters, Hank change the spelling of their last name, I think I have a picture of Hank I'll see if I can fine it and I'll post it here, I know that I don't have any of Eddie.

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 20:51
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Eddie Marcus . . .

Does anybody remember an L.A. lightweight, Eddie Marcus, who fought between 1938-47?

Marcus fought up and down the coast, but started out as a hot local attraction at the Olympic Auditorium, as well as the Hollywood Legion Stadium and other L.A. venues. An old friend of mine had grown up with Marcus, and would tell of him fighting as an amateur back in high school.

Marcus was a guy who fought during that very tough era, and beat some top fighters. Frank, I know he retired about the time you started attending fights, and his last bouts were in Australia. I was wondering if you knew of Eddie Marcus? Dagos? Anybody??

Somebody told me that Eddie Marcus, after retiring, had become a bartender, and worked in a Wilshire area tavern owned by George Parnassus. I believe he also worked the bar in one of Suey Welch's restaurants, in the same neighborhood. Eddie was smart, good looking and had been a Golden Gloves champ prior to an impressive pro career.

I never saw Eddie Marcus fight, however, a lot of the L.A. crowd who were a part of the era, such as Suey Welch, Parnassus, Jimmy MacLarnin, etc., spoke highly of him. I can't remember Hap Navarro commenting on Marcus, but I wish I'd asked about him. Hap knows more about that era than anybody I know. He was a part of it.

Any information would be appreciated.

-Rick Farris


Dagos . . . Eddie Marcus last fight took place at the Coliseum in San Diego, in 1947. I know you guys used to love that "cockpit", but it was a graveyard for L.A. boxers. Just ask Ruben Navarro, and, Eddie Marcus.

Hey Frank, do you remember Archie Grant? I remember him training boxers in L.A. during the 70's. Eddie Marcus decisioned Grant in 1938, at the Olympic. Long time ago, huh?

-Rick Farris
Rick,

I met Archie Grant circa 1952 at the teamsters gym, in the late 70's-early 80's he won't give Frankie and Tony sparring with his fighters unless we paid him/them, we were training at the Olympic gym at the time and we were not making big money at that time, but he was piss because I was getting fights at the Olympic for my boys and he was having a hard time getting fights for his boys, he just didn't any promising fighters.

He was a mailman for years.

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 21:04
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Eddie Marcus . . .

Does anybody remember an L.A. lightweight, Eddie Marcus, who fought between 1938-47?

Marcus fought up and down the coast, but started out as a hot local attraction at the Olympic Auditorium, as well as the Hollywood Legion Stadium and other L.A. venues. An old friend of mine had grown up with Marcus, and would tell of him fighting as an amateur back in high school.

Marcus was a guy who fought during that very tough era, and beat some top fighters. Frank, I know he retired about the time you started attending fights, and his last bouts were in Australia. I was wondering if you knew of Eddie Marcus? Dagos? Anybody??

Somebody told me that Eddie Marcus, after retiring, had become a bartender, and worked in a Wilshire area tavern owned by George Parnassus. I believe he also worked the bar in one of Suey Welch's restaurants, in the same neighborhood. Eddie was smart, good looking and had been a Golden Gloves champ prior to an impressive pro career.

I never saw Eddie Marcus fight, however, a lot of the L.A. crowd who were a part of the era, such as Suey Welch, Parnassus, Jimmy MacLarnin, etc., spoke highly of him. I can't remember Hap Navarro commenting on Marcus, but I wish I'd asked about him. Hap knows more about that era than anybody I know. He was a part of it.

Any information would be appreciated.

-Rick Farris


Dagos . . . Eddie Marcus last fight took place at the Coliseum in San Diego, in 1947. I know you guys used to love that "cockpit", but it was a graveyard for L.A. boxers. Just ask Ruben Navarro, and, Eddie Marcus.

Hey Frank, do you remember Archie Grant? I remember him training boxers in L.A. during the 70's. Eddie Marcus decisioned Grant in 1938, at the Olympic. Long time ago, huh?

-Rick Farris
Rick,

I met Archie Grant circa 1952 at the teamsters gym, in the late 70's-early 80's he won't give Frankie and Tony sparring with his fighters unless we payed him/them, we were training at the Olympic gym at the time and we were not making big money at that time, but he was piss because I was getting fights at the Olympic for my boys and he was having a hard time getting fights for his boys, he just didn't any promising fighters.

He was a mailman for years.

Frank- Thanks for the info on Archie Grant and Eddie Marcus. I didn't know Grant, he trained my friend, heavyweight Kit Boursse', who Johnny Flores once handled. Your insight regarding Eddie Marcus is very helpful, as well.

-Rick Farris

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 21:06
by kikibalt
Image
Hoyt Porter, Earl Turner and Hank Marcus
Circa..1952

Rick,

Hank change the spelling to a Jewish sounding name, but I don't know the spelling, LOL!

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 22:00
by kikibalt
DODGERS 50TH ANNIVERSARY IN L.A.
Orphans of the Ravine
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Families were uprooted when the Dodgers came to town, a time that still resonates with many of the uprooted. Some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic
By Kevin Baxter, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 29, 2008

Virginia Pinedo grew up less than 10 minutes from downtown Los Angeles. Yet her childhood was filled with long, slow walks with her grandfather, bike rides at breakneck speeds along empty streets and quiet afternoons watching Basque shepherds tending their flocks.

"It was very peaceful," she said. "Kids were different because the kind of upbringing they had had a lot of rural-type influences."

Memories, however, are about all that's left of the old neighborhood, much of which was razed half a century ago, eventually to be replaced by Dodger Stadium. In what quickly became a controversial and emotional chapter in the city's rapid post-war growth, some 1,200 families -- many of whom came to Los Angeles to escape the Mexican Revolution -- were forced out and their houses were bulldozed to make way for an ambitious public housing project that was never built.

Instead, the city awarded the 315 acres to the Dodgers as part of the effort to lure the team from Brooklyn. And some have never forgotten -- or forgiven -- the slight.

"It was a lot of political chicanery that got the people out of there," said Don Normark, a Seattle photographer whose pictures of Chavez Ravine became the basis for a book and documentary movie. "So it's certainly sad."

So sad, in fact, many of the displaced -- some of whom formed a group called Los Desterrados, Spanish for the Uprooted -- have never bought a ticket to a Dodgers game.

"I did construction. I worked [at] Dodger Stadium. But I've never been in there," said David Fernandez, whose wife Aurora was carried, kicking and screaming, out of her family's Chavez Ravine home in May 1959 by sheriff's deputies as television cameras rolled.

Seconds later a waiting bulldozer destroyed the house she had lived in for 37 years.

"She took the headlines away from Elizabeth Taylor when she married Eddie Fisher," Fernandez said with a laugh.

For years afterward, Aurora Fernandez, who was fined and jailed for her protest, had trouble even saying the name Dodgers. Eventually, though, they became her favorite team.

"At one time, I know, she couldn't [watch] the Dodgers and blah blah blah," her widower said dismissively. "And she got over it. We got over it."

So did Pinedo. Although she has yet to pay her way into Dodger Stadium she no longer blames the team for stealing the last years of her childhood.

"They didn't have anything to do with it," said Pinedo, who still lives in the shadow of the ballpark. "It wasn't a conspiracy of taking people's homes to sell the land to the Dodgers."

What it was, said Ronald Lopez, a professor of Chicano and Latino Studies at Sonoma State who did his doctoral dissertation on Chavez Ravine, was something fairly common in the 1950s: an attempt by a rapidly growing city to remake and reinvigorate itself. And that meant tearing down many of the old neighborhoods.

"There had been this idea of building up L.A. as this world-class city," he said. "They wanted the things that New York had."

In other areas, residents were forced out to make room for freeways, airports or shopping centers. Most went quietly. What made Chavez Ravine different was the fact some residents fought back.

"It's a symbol of standing up, of resistance," Lopez said. "It's a historic story."

And it's a story that was told with reverence in Mexican-American homes for decades, inspiring many of the Chicano activists of the 1960s and '70s. And it still resonates today.

"The fact that they fought, fought, fought showed people that they were going to stand up. And people can identify with that," Lopez said. "Do I think it was racist? Yeah, I think it was racist. [But] it wasn't so much [city planners] thought of it in racial terms but that it was an expendable population."

The valley known as Chavez Ravine, located just to the north of City Hall, was named after Mexican-born landowner Julian Chavez, one of L.A. County's first supervisors. And by the time it came to the attention of urban planners, it had become home to a vibrant, tight-knit community of mainly Mexican immigrants, who saw the peaceful and pastoral area as a small-town refuge in the middle of a growing metropolis, a place where they could still grow gardens and keep chickens even as skyscrapers went up all around them.

The city, Pinedo remembers, even allowed shepherds to graze their flocks there on the way to the slaughterhouses. Others, however, saw the working-class neighborhood -- which was actually made up of three barrios, Palo Verde, Bishop and Loma -- as a shantytown and an eyesore and by 1952, with the area marked for a massive public-works project, only a handful of families remained.

The housing complex -- where many of the former residents were told they could live -- would never be built, but the idea of urban renewal, which had spawned the idea in the first place, could not be stopped.

Over the years, Pinedo, who has studied urban development, came to understand that. But when Dodger Stadium opened in 1962, the wounds were still fresh, so she and a friend sneaked behind the outfield wall and threw tomatoes on the field in protest.

"We ran back to my house and sat in the basement for hours thinking they're going to get us," said Pinedo, who lived in one of the few houses that was spared the wrecking ball. "It was important to us. We were making a stand."

It was, after all, a traumatic event for the children of Chavez Ravine, who saw their schools plowed under and their friends move away. Pinedo remembers her mother, a well-known community activist, taking part in numerous meetings where, she found out much later, the effect of the dislocation on the neighborhood kids was discussed. A study done years later found some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic level.

"[But] there's also a percentage of people that said that was the best thing that ever happened to us," said Pinedo, 62. "We ended up in other municipalities and our kids did well, and they adjusted just fine."

Well, not totally. Although many of the original Desterrados have died and emotions among their survivors have calmed considerably, not everyone is ready to leave the past in ... well, the past.

"There are a lot of people like that. And believe me, I would be the first to defend that," said Pinedo, who publicly made her peace with the Dodgers eight years ago. "I come from a different position and it's quite possible [that's] because I didn't lose my house.

"A lot of people are still angry and bitter to this day. But not everybody walked away feeling that way. There were people that understood."

[email protected]

Families were uprooted when the Dodgers came to town, a time that still resonates with many of the uprooted. Some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic
By Kevin Baxter, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 29, 2008
Virginia Pinedo grew up less than 10 minutes from downtown Los Angeles. Yet her childhood was filled with long, slow walks with her grandfather, bike rides at breakneck speeds along empty streets and quiet afternoons watching Basque shepherds tending their flocks.

"It was very peaceful," she said. "Kids were different because the kind of upbringing they had had a lot of rural-type influences."

Memories, however, are about all that's left of the old neighborhood, much of which was razed half a century ago, eventually to be replaced by Dodger Stadium. In what quickly became a controversial and emotional chapter in the city's rapid post-war growth, some 1,200 families -- many of whom came to Los Angeles to escape the Mexican Revolution -- were forced out and their houses were bulldozed to make way for an ambitious public housing project that was never built.

Instead, the city awarded the 315 acres to the Dodgers as part of the effort to lure the team from Brooklyn. And some have never forgotten -- or forgiven -- the slight.

"It was a lot of political chicanery that got the people out of there," said Don Normark, a Seattle photographer whose pictures of Chavez Ravine became the basis for a book and documentary movie. "So it's certainly sad."

So sad, in fact, many of the displaced -- some of whom formed a group called Los Desterrados, Spanish for the Uprooted -- have never bought a ticket to a Dodgers game.

"I did construction. I worked [at] Dodger Stadium. But I've never been in there," said David Fernandez, whose wife Aurora was carried, kicking and screaming, out of her family's Chavez Ravine home in May 1959 by sheriff's deputies as television cameras rolled.

Seconds later a waiting bulldozer destroyed the house she had lived in for 37 years.

"She took the headlines away from Elizabeth Taylor when she married Eddie Fisher," Fernandez said with a laugh.

For years afterward, Aurora Fernandez, who was fined and jailed for her protest, had trouble even saying the name Dodgers. Eventually, though, they became her favorite team.

"At one time, I know, she couldn't [watch] the Dodgers and blah blah blah," her widower said dismissively. "And she got over it. We got over it."

So did Pinedo. Although she has yet to pay her way into Dodger Stadium she no longer blames the team for stealing the last years of her childhood.

"They didn't have anything to do with it," said Pinedo, who still lives in the shadow of the ballpark. "It wasn't a conspiracy of taking people's homes to sell the land to the Dodgers."

What it was, said Ronald Lopez, a professor of Chicano and Latino Studies at Sonoma State who did his doctoral dissertation on Chavez Ravine, was something fairly common in the 1950s: an attempt by a rapidly growing city to remake and reinvigorate itself. And that meant tearing down many of the old neighborhoods.

"There had been this idea of building up L.A. as this world-class city," he said. "They wanted the things that New York had."

In other areas, residents were forced out to make room for freeways, airports or shopping centers. Most went quietly. What made Chavez Ravine different was the fact some residents fought back.

"It's a symbol of standing up, of resistance," Lopez said. "It's a historic story."

And it's a story that was told with reverence in Mexican-American homes for decades, inspiring many of the Chicano activists of the 1960s and '70s. And it still resonates today.

"The fact that they fought, fought, fought showed people that they were going to stand up. And people can identify with that," Lopez said. "Do I think it was racist? Yeah, I think it was racist. [But] it wasn't so much [city planners] thought of it in racial terms but that it was an expendable population."

The valley known as Chavez Ravine, located just to the north of City Hall, was named after Mexican-born landowner Julian Chavez, one of L.A. County's first supervisors. And by the time it came to the attention of urban planners, it had become home to a vibrant, tight-knit community of mainly Mexican immigrants, who saw the peaceful and pastoral area as a small-town refuge in the middle of a growing metropolis, a place where they could still grow gardens and keep chickens even as skyscrapers went up all around them.

The city, Pinedo remembers, even allowed shepherds to graze their flocks there on the way to the slaughterhouses. Others, however, saw the working-class neighborhood -- which was actually made up of three barrios, Palo Verde, Bishop and Loma -- as a shantytown and an eyesore and by 1952, with the area marked for a massive public-works project, only a handful of families remained.

The housing complex -- where many of the former residents were told they could live -- would never be built, but the idea of urban renewal, which had spawned the idea in the first place, could not be stopped.

Over the years, Pinedo, who has studied urban development, came to understand that. But when Dodger Stadium opened in 1962, the wounds were still fresh, so she and a friend sneaked behind the outfield wall and threw tomatoes on the field in protest.

"We ran back to my house and sat in the basement for hours thinking they're going to get us," said Pinedo, who lived in one of the few houses that was spared the wrecking ball. "It was important to us. We were making a stand."

It was, after all, a traumatic event for the children of Chavez Ravine, who saw their schools plowed under and their friends move away. Pinedo remembers her mother, a well-known community activist, taking part in numerous meetings where, she found out much later, the effect of the dislocation on the neighborhood kids was discussed. A study done years later found some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic level.

"[But] there's also a percentage of people that said that was the best thing that ever happened to us," said Pinedo, 62. "We ended up in other municipalities and our kids did well, and they adjusted just fine."

Well, not totally. Although many of the original Desterrados have died and emotions among their survivors have calmed considerably, not everyone is ready to leave the past in ... well, the past.

"There are a lot of people like that. And believe me, I would be the first to defend that," said Pinedo, who publicly made her peace with the Dodgers eight years ago. "I come from a different position and it's quite possible [that's] because I didn't lose my house.

"A lot of people are still angry and bitter to this day. But not everybody walked away feeling that way. There were people that understood."

[email protected]

Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 23:26
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:DODGERS 50TH ANNIVERSARY IN L.A.
Orphans of the Ravine
Image
Families were uprooted when the Dodgers came to town, a time that still resonates with many of the uprooted. Some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic
By Kevin Baxter, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 29, 2008

Virginia Pinedo grew up less than 10 minutes from downtown Los Angeles. Yet her childhood was filled with long, slow walks with her grandfather, bike rides at breakneck speeds along empty streets and quiet afternoons watching Basque shepherds tending their flocks.

"It was very peaceful," she said. "Kids were different because the kind of upbringing they had had a lot of rural-type influences."

Memories, however, are about all that's left of the old neighborhood, much of which was razed half a century ago, eventually to be replaced by Dodger Stadium. In what quickly became a controversial and emotional chapter in the city's rapid post-war growth, some 1,200 families -- many of whom came to Los Angeles to escape the Mexican Revolution -- were forced out and their houses were bulldozed to make way for an ambitious public housing project that was never built.

Instead, the city awarded the 315 acres to the Dodgers as part of the effort to lure the team from Brooklyn. And some have never forgotten -- or forgiven -- the slight.

"It was a lot of political chicanery that got the people out of there," said Don Normark, a Seattle photographer whose pictures of Chavez Ravine became the basis for a book and documentary movie. "So it's certainly sad."

So sad, in fact, many of the displaced -- some of whom formed a group called Los Desterrados, Spanish for the Uprooted -- have never bought a ticket to a Dodgers game.

"I did construction. I worked [at] Dodger Stadium. But I've never been in there," said David Fernandez, whose wife Aurora was carried, kicking and screaming, out of her family's Chavez Ravine home in May 1959 by sheriff's deputies as television cameras rolled.

Seconds later a waiting bulldozer destroyed the house she had lived in for 37 years.

"She took the headlines away from Elizabeth Taylor when she married Eddie Fisher," Fernandez said with a laugh.

For years afterward, Aurora Fernandez, who was fined and jailed for her protest, had trouble even saying the name Dodgers. Eventually, though, they became her favorite team.

"At one time, I know, she couldn't [watch] the Dodgers and blah blah blah," her widower said dismissively. "And she got over it. We got over it."

So did Pinedo. Although she has yet to pay her way into Dodger Stadium she no longer blames the team for stealing the last years of her childhood.

"They didn't have anything to do with it," said Pinedo, who still lives in the shadow of the ballpark. "It wasn't a conspiracy of taking people's homes to sell the land to the Dodgers."

What it was, said Ronald Lopez, a professor of Chicano and Latino Studies at Sonoma State who did his doctoral dissertation on Chavez Ravine, was something fairly common in the 1950s: an attempt by a rapidly growing city to remake and reinvigorate itself. And that meant tearing down many of the old neighborhoods.

"There had been this idea of building up L.A. as this world-class city," he said. "They wanted the things that New York had."

In other areas, residents were forced out to make room for freeways, airports or shopping centers. Most went quietly. What made Chavez Ravine different was the fact some residents fought back.

"It's a symbol of standing up, of resistance," Lopez said. "It's a historic story."

And it's a story that was told with reverence in Mexican-American homes for decades, inspiring many of the Chicano activists of the 1960s and '70s. And it still resonates today.

"The fact that they fought, fought, fought showed people that they were going to stand up. And people can identify with that," Lopez said. "Do I think it was racist? Yeah, I think it was racist. [But] it wasn't so much [city planners] thought of it in racial terms but that it was an expendable population."

The valley known as Chavez Ravine, located just to the north of City Hall, was named after Mexican-born landowner Julian Chavez, one of L.A. County's first supervisors. And by the time it came to the attention of urban planners, it had become home to a vibrant, tight-knit community of mainly Mexican immigrants, who saw the peaceful and pastoral area as a small-town refuge in the middle of a growing metropolis, a place where they could still grow gardens and keep chickens even as skyscrapers went up all around them.

The city, Pinedo remembers, even allowed shepherds to graze their flocks there on the way to the slaughterhouses. Others, however, saw the working-class neighborhood -- which was actually made up of three barrios, Palo Verde, Bishop and Loma -- as a shantytown and an eyesore and by 1952, with the area marked for a massive public-works project, only a handful of families remained.

The housing complex -- where many of the former residents were told they could live -- would never be built, but the idea of urban renewal, which had spawned the idea in the first place, could not be stopped.

Over the years, Pinedo, who has studied urban development, came to understand that. But when Dodger Stadium opened in 1962, the wounds were still fresh, so she and a friend sneaked behind the outfield wall and threw tomatoes on the field in protest.

"We ran back to my house and sat in the basement for hours thinking they're going to get us," said Pinedo, who lived in one of the few houses that was spared the wrecking ball. "It was important to us. We were making a stand."

It was, after all, a traumatic event for the children of Chavez Ravine, who saw their schools plowed under and their friends move away. Pinedo remembers her mother, a well-known community activist, taking part in numerous meetings where, she found out much later, the effect of the dislocation on the neighborhood kids was discussed. A study done years later found some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic level.

"[But] there's also a percentage of people that said that was the best thing that ever happened to us," said Pinedo, 62. "We ended up in other municipalities and our kids did well, and they adjusted just fine."

Well, not totally. Although many of the original Desterrados have died and emotions among their survivors have calmed considerably, not everyone is ready to leave the past in ... well, the past.

"There are a lot of people like that. And believe me, I would be the first to defend that," said Pinedo, who publicly made her peace with the Dodgers eight years ago. "I come from a different position and it's quite possible [that's] because I didn't lose my house.

"A lot of people are still angry and bitter to this day. But not everybody walked away feeling that way. There were people that understood."

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Families were uprooted when the Dodgers came to town, a time that still resonates with many of the uprooted. Some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic
By Kevin Baxter, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 29, 2008
Virginia Pinedo grew up less than 10 minutes from downtown Los Angeles. Yet her childhood was filled with long, slow walks with her grandfather, bike rides at breakneck speeds along empty streets and quiet afternoons watching Basque shepherds tending their flocks.

"It was very peaceful," she said. "Kids were different because the kind of upbringing they had had a lot of rural-type influences."

Memories, however, are about all that's left of the old neighborhood, much of which was razed half a century ago, eventually to be replaced by Dodger Stadium. In what quickly became a controversial and emotional chapter in the city's rapid post-war growth, some 1,200 families -- many of whom came to Los Angeles to escape the Mexican Revolution -- were forced out and their houses were bulldozed to make way for an ambitious public housing project that was never built.

Instead, the city awarded the 315 acres to the Dodgers as part of the effort to lure the team from Brooklyn. And some have never forgotten -- or forgiven -- the slight.

"It was a lot of political chicanery that got the people out of there," said Don Normark, a Seattle photographer whose pictures of Chavez Ravine became the basis for a book and documentary movie. "So it's certainly sad."

So sad, in fact, many of the displaced -- some of whom formed a group called Los Desterrados, Spanish for the Uprooted -- have never bought a ticket to a Dodgers game.

"I did construction. I worked [at] Dodger Stadium. But I've never been in there," said David Fernandez, whose wife Aurora was carried, kicking and screaming, out of her family's Chavez Ravine home in May 1959 by sheriff's deputies as television cameras rolled.

Seconds later a waiting bulldozer destroyed the house she had lived in for 37 years.

"She took the headlines away from Elizabeth Taylor when she married Eddie Fisher," Fernandez said with a laugh.

For years afterward, Aurora Fernandez, who was fined and jailed for her protest, had trouble even saying the name Dodgers. Eventually, though, they became her favorite team.

"At one time, I know, she couldn't [watch] the Dodgers and blah blah blah," her widower said dismissively. "And she got over it. We got over it."

So did Pinedo. Although she has yet to pay her way into Dodger Stadium she no longer blames the team for stealing the last years of her childhood.

"They didn't have anything to do with it," said Pinedo, who still lives in the shadow of the ballpark. "It wasn't a conspiracy of taking people's homes to sell the land to the Dodgers."

What it was, said Ronald Lopez, a professor of Chicano and Latino Studies at Sonoma State who did his doctoral dissertation on Chavez Ravine, was something fairly common in the 1950s: an attempt by a rapidly growing city to remake and reinvigorate itself. And that meant tearing down many of the old neighborhoods.

"There had been this idea of building up L.A. as this world-class city," he said. "They wanted the things that New York had."

In other areas, residents were forced out to make room for freeways, airports or shopping centers. Most went quietly. What made Chavez Ravine different was the fact some residents fought back.

"It's a symbol of standing up, of resistance," Lopez said. "It's a historic story."

And it's a story that was told with reverence in Mexican-American homes for decades, inspiring many of the Chicano activists of the 1960s and '70s. And it still resonates today.

"The fact that they fought, fought, fought showed people that they were going to stand up. And people can identify with that," Lopez said. "Do I think it was racist? Yeah, I think it was racist. [But] it wasn't so much [city planners] thought of it in racial terms but that it was an expendable population."

The valley known as Chavez Ravine, located just to the north of City Hall, was named after Mexican-born landowner Julian Chavez, one of L.A. County's first supervisors. And by the time it came to the attention of urban planners, it had become home to a vibrant, tight-knit community of mainly Mexican immigrants, who saw the peaceful and pastoral area as a small-town refuge in the middle of a growing metropolis, a place where they could still grow gardens and keep chickens even as skyscrapers went up all around them.

The city, Pinedo remembers, even allowed shepherds to graze their flocks there on the way to the slaughterhouses. Others, however, saw the working-class neighborhood -- which was actually made up of three barrios, Palo Verde, Bishop and Loma -- as a shantytown and an eyesore and by 1952, with the area marked for a massive public-works project, only a handful of families remained.

The housing complex -- where many of the former residents were told they could live -- would never be built, but the idea of urban renewal, which had spawned the idea in the first place, could not be stopped.

Over the years, Pinedo, who has studied urban development, came to understand that. But when Dodger Stadium opened in 1962, the wounds were still fresh, so she and a friend sneaked behind the outfield wall and threw tomatoes on the field in protest.

"We ran back to my house and sat in the basement for hours thinking they're going to get us," said Pinedo, who lived in one of the few houses that was spared the wrecking ball. "It was important to us. We were making a stand."

It was, after all, a traumatic event for the children of Chavez Ravine, who saw their schools plowed under and their friends move away. Pinedo remembers her mother, a well-known community activist, taking part in numerous meetings where, she found out much later, the effect of the dislocation on the neighborhood kids was discussed. A study done years later found some of the evicted families needed three generations to get back to a comparable economic level.

"[But] there's also a percentage of people that said that was the best thing that ever happened to us," said Pinedo, 62. "We ended up in other municipalities and our kids did well, and they adjusted just fine."

Well, not totally. Although many of the original Desterrados have died and emotions among their survivors have calmed considerably, not everyone is ready to leave the past in ... well, the past.

"There are a lot of people like that. And believe me, I would be the first to defend that," said Pinedo, who publicly made her peace with the Dodgers eight years ago. "I come from a different position and it's quite possible [that's] because I didn't lose my house.

"A lot of people are still angry and bitter to this day. But not everybody walked away feeling that way. There were people that understood."

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I remember when Dodger Stadium opened in 1962. The following year, Davey Moore was killed there defending the featherweight title against Sugar Ramos. Walter O'Malley said he would never again hold a boxing match in his stadium. "People come here for a good time, not to see somebody killed", he said.

Forty-five years later, and O'Malley's words have proven true, no boxing matches have been held at Dodger Stadium since the Davey Moore tragedy.

Tonight, the Dodgers celebrate their 50th year in L.A. with an exhibition game against the Red Sox. This one will be held at the Coliseum, where the Dodgers played when they first came to town.

-Rick Farris

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 00:35
by dagosd2000
Rick Farris wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Eddie Marcus . . .

Does anybody remember an L.A. lightweight, Eddie Marcus, who fought between 1938-47?

Marcus fought up and down the coast, but started out as a hot local attraction at the Olympic Auditorium, as well as the Hollywood Legion Stadium and other L.A. venues. An old friend of mine had grown up with Marcus, and would tell of him fighting as an amateur back in high school.

Marcus was a guy who fought during that very tough era, and beat some top fighters. Frank, I know he retired about the time you started attending fights, and his last bouts were in Australia. I was wondering if you knew of Eddie Marcus? Dagos? Anybody??

Somebody told me that Eddie Marcus, after retiring, had become a bartender, and worked in a Wilshire area tavern owned by George Parnassus. I believe he also worked the bar in one of Suey Welch's restaurants, in the same neighborhood. Eddie was smart, good looking and had been a Golden Gloves champ prior to an impressive pro career.

I never saw Eddie Marcus fight, however, a lot of the L.A. crowd who were a part of the era, such as Suey Welch, Parnassus, Jimmy MacLarnin, etc., spoke highly of him. I can't remember Hap Navarro commenting on Marcus, but I wish I'd asked about him. Hap knows more about that era than anybody I know. He was a part of it.

Any information would be appreciated.

-Rick Farris


Dagos . . . Eddie Marcus last fight took place at the Coliseum in San Diego, in 1947. I know you guys used to love that "cockpit", but it was a graveyard for L.A. boxers. Just ask Ruben Navarro, and, Eddie Marcus.

Hey Frank, do you remember Archie Grant? I remember him training boxers in L.A. during the 70's. Eddie Marcus decisioned Grant in 1938, at the Olympic. Long time ago, huh?

-Rick Farris
Rick,
Not only was it a graveyard,but it was a launching pad. Once you proved yourself in San Diego,it was on to bigger and better things. Just ask Ken Norton. If your career never got out of San Diego,meant you weren't going anywhere. Just ask Ronnie Wilson. And of course your point about the Coliseum being the last step in a long career is valid. Just ask Denny Moyer. But the place was a lot of fun. Never a bad seat. And there were always big fights in TJ if you wanted to see a fighter in his prime. Usually a non title match. Just ask Ruben Olivares.

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 01:02
by dagosd2000
Frank,
That was important that you brought up Chavez Ravine and the Dodgers. That was an old traditional Mexican neighborhood. The Mexican neighborhoods like Boyle Heights , Chavez Ravine,and Hollenbeck weren't infested by gangs like they are now.I remember when those racist LA cops(That wasn't the first time those bastards threw their weight around. The Zoot Suit Riots for example) evicted those people who'd been living there for generations.That was a proud community.The city council was no better. They figured the Mexicans in Chavez Ravine wouldn't have any clout to do anything about it. You can bet they wouldn't have sold any land in Beverly Hills to the Dodgers.

Study the history of the LA police and you knew they wouldn't think twice about using muscle on those Mexican families. Most of those cops came from the "Dust Bowl" part of the midwest during the Depression and they brought their prejuduces with them. It's ironic. One of the reasons O'Malley pulled the team out of Brooklyn was because the neighborhood was going Puerto Rican. Then he puts the team in the middle of a Mexican part of town and expects their support. I wonder how many Mexicans in LA. know the story of the Dodgers? I don't think the younger generation does. If it didn't happen yesterday ,they don't know about it.

If I'd lived in LA. I would have rather gone to the Olympic Auditorium and watched the fights.

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 01:31
by Rick Farris
dagosd2000 wrote:Frank,

Study the history of the LA police and you knew they wouldn't think twice about using muscle on those Mexican families. Most of those cops came from the "Dust Bowl" part of the midwest during the Depression and they brought their prejuduces with them. It's ironic. One of the reasons O'Malley pulled the team out of Brooklyn was because the neighborhood was going Puerto Rican. Then he puts the team in the middle of a Mexican part of town and expects their support. I wonder how many Mexicans in LA. know the story of the Dodgers? I don't think the younger generation does. If it didn't happen yesterday ,they don't know about it.

If I'd lived in LA. I would have rather gone to the Olympic Auditorium and watched the fights.

Those "Dust Bowl" cops were the work of the late L.A.P.D. Chief William H. Parker. Parker deliberatly recruited "Red Neck" cops to impose force on anybody dark. Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, etc. were combed seeking the "type" Parker chose to make up the rank & file force of the L.A.P.D.

Things really haven't changed much, not really. There is a lot of show, but the L.A.P.D. hs always had a secret squad, plain clothes officers who operate beyond boundries of "regular" cops. This is no fairy tale, I know it to be true.


-Rick Farris

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 01:52
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:I remember when Dodger Stadium opened in 1962. The following year, Davey Moore was killed there defending the featherweight title against Sugar Ramos. Walter O'Malley said he would never again hold a boxing match in his stadium. "People come here for a good time, not to see somebody killed", he said.

Forty-five years later, and O'Malley's words have proven true, no boxing matches have been held at Dodger Stadium since the Davey Moore tragedy.

Tonight, the Dodgers celebrate their 50th year in L.A. with an exhibition game against the Red Sox. This one will be held at the Coliseum, where the Dodgers played when they first came to town.

-Rick Farris
My wife and I were there for that fight. (ringside)

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 02:19
by granberry
In addition to Edre Jofre, if what I heard was correct, Aaron Pryor was also a vegetarian.

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 02:24
by Rick Farris
dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Eddie Marcus . . .

Does anybody remember an L.A. lightweight, Eddie Marcus, who fought between 1938-47?

Marcus fought up and down the coast, but started out as a hot local attraction at the Olympic Auditorium, as well as the Hollywood Legion Stadium and other L.A. venues. An old friend of mine had grown up with Marcus, and would tell of him fighting as an amateur back in high school.

Marcus was a guy who fought during that very tough era, and beat some top fighters. Frank, I know he retired about the time you started attending fights, and his last bouts were in Australia. I was wondering if you knew of Eddie Marcus? Dagos? Anybody??

Somebody told me that Eddie Marcus, after retiring, had become a bartender, and worked in a Wilshire area tavern owned by George Parnassus. I believe he also worked the bar in one of Suey Welch's restaurants, in the same neighborhood. Eddie was smart, good looking and had been a Golden Gloves champ prior to an impressive pro career.

I never saw Eddie Marcus fight, however, a lot of the L.A. crowd who were a part of the era, such as Suey Welch, Parnassus, Jimmy MacLarnin, etc., spoke highly of him. I can't remember Hap Navarro commenting on Marcus, but I wish I'd asked about him. Hap knows more about that era than anybody I know. He was a part of it.

Any information would be appreciated.

-Rick Farris


Dagos . . . Eddie Marcus last fight took place at the Coliseum in San Diego, in 1947. I know you guys used to love that "cockpit", but it was a graveyard for L.A. boxers. Just ask Ruben Navarro, and, Eddie Marcus.

Hey Frank, do you remember Archie Grant? I remember him training boxers in L.A. during the 70's. Eddie Marcus decisioned Grant in 1938, at the Olympic. Long time ago, huh?

-Rick Farris
Rick,
Not only was it a graveyard,but it was a launching pad. Once you proved yourself in San Diego,it was on to bigger and better things. Just ask Ken Norton. If your career never got out of San Diego,meant you weren't going anywhere. Just ask Ronnie Wilson. And of course your point about the Coliseum being the last step in a long career is valid. Just ask Denny Moyer. But the place was a lot of fun. Never a bad seat. And there were always big fights in TJ if you wanted to see a fighter in his prime. Usually a non title match. Just ask Ruben Olivares.

Dagos, Ronnie Wilson scored a very strange, and very surprising win over a heavily favored Andy "Kid Heilman, in a middleweight fight held in 1970, at the Valley Music Theatre, in Woodland Hills.

The 3000 seat theatre-in-the-round, was perfect for boxing, and I fought there once. On the night Heilman fought Wilson, Andy had his way with Ronnie, on his way to an easy, one-sided victory. After seven rounds, it was pretty much a shutout for Heilman, however, he suddenly just quits in his corner. Manager Jackie McCoy was stunned, Heilman claimed he'd "lost his desire to fight", and just called it quits.

I mean, of all strange endings to bouts, this was the most unforgetable I ever saw. It was obvious Heilman was not himself, this was a guy who'd fight a gorilla with a fly swatter.

You have mentioned Ronnie Wilson several times, and I remember him well. However, this fight always comes to mind when I read his name.


-Rick Farris

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 04:13
by dagosd2000
Frank or Rick or Scar
I remember watching a fight in Tj with two fighters that had opposite body types. A short bulldog looking guy by the name of Candido Tellez and a bean pole by the name of Joey Olivo. Olivo out boxed Tellez that night,but both boys were pretty good fighters. Any memories of these two?

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 04:20
by dagosd2000
Rick,Frank,Scar,
This just came to mind. Several times at the Coliseum a fighter or two would cancel out at the last minute. Mickey Davies would grab the "mike" and say because of a rule in the commision saying there has to be so many rounds of boxing on a card,you're entitled to a refund. I remember everyone heading to the box office to get a refund,and then returning to watch what was left on the card. Did this ever happen in LA?

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 09:07
by scartissue
dagosd2000 wrote:Frank or Rick or Scar
I remember watching a fight in Tj with two fighters that had opposite body types. A short bulldog looking guy by the name of Candido Tellez and a bean pole by the name of Joey Olivo. Olivo out boxed Tellez that night,but both boys were pretty good fighters. Any memories of these two?
I saw Tellez fight Strongbow Gonzalez and he reminded me a little of Zovek Barajas. A bit awkward but could he bang!. Olivo was a nice boxer but a physical freak. A Jr. Fly but at 5'9" or 5'10" and he would wear these really long trunks he looked ungainly. I remember them televising his first crack at the title against Hilario Zapata since this would be an American winning a Jr. Flyweight title, but Zapata was really something special and Joey got stopped late in the fight. Still, good fighters and good memories.

Scartissue

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 10:23
by kikibalt
dagosd2000 wrote:Frank or Rick or Scar
I remember watching a fight in Tj with two fighters that had opposite body types. A short bulldog looking guy by the name of Candido Tellez and a bean pole by the name of Joey Olivo. Olivo out boxed Tellez that night,but both boys were pretty good fighters. Any memories of these two?
D-Dude,

Joey Olivo could put you to sleep, Rudy tellez, his manager had a hard time getting Joey fights in L.A. even when he was champ, he was a very boring figther, having said that, we're inducting him into the CBHOF in June.

His manager Rudy Tellez is now a big shot with the WBC.

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 13:58
by kikibalt
Puerto Nuevo History
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In 1954 Rosa María Plasencia’s father came to live in what’s now the famous lobster village of Puerto Nuevo. He came because he’d heard there were lobsters there—lots of them. There were. A year later Rosa María’s mother’s family came. The two young people met, fell in love, married and built a tiny house across the street from what is now the family restaurant, Puerto Nuevo II.
At that time there were only two or three families living on the cliffs overlooking the Pacific. Every day the men went out to sea in their pangas. Every afternoon their wives would scan the waters until they saw their husbands’ boats materialize on the horizon. Once a positive sighting was made, they’d rush to heat up beans and rice, pound out some fresh tortillas and put a kettle of lard on the fire. The men always came back ravenous, and when they unloaded their catch of lobsters, they’d slice a few in half, drop them into the bubbling lard and fry them up. There was no refrigeration back then, so the now-famous meal of fresh fried lobster, beans, rice and tortillas came into being purely out of necessity. The sea provided the lobsters. Beans and rice didn’t need to be refrigerated, and the tortillas could be made on the spot. Even to this day, Rosa María and her husband, Enrique Murillo eats mayonnaise with their lobster instead of melted butter. Why? Because that’s what was served when they were growing up, and they like it.
Occasionally some Americans would show up and ask the men to take them fishing in their pangas. When they came back in, they’d join the Mexicans in a big meal. As is typical still today at fish camps up and down Baja, no money ever changed hands. The Americans gave soda, ham, sandwiches, cookies, candy and whatever else they had to spare in return for the fine food. In about 1956, Rosa María’s father sent to Guadalajara for his brother and sister. They came and joined in the fishing and cooking. A few more families migrated to the area. One built a little stand next to the bus stop, where the welcoming arches are now. They sold sodas, snacks and burritos. Next to their stand was a billboard advertising New Port cigarettes. The Americans named the village after that sign, which, translated into Spanish is Puerto Nuevo!
Over the years more and more people came from central Mexico. Some were intent on making their way to the USA, but stayed to fish and serve lobsters to the ever-growing crowds of visitors. A political activist, Señora Rentería, helped the families in Puerto Nuevo to get a grant from the government so they could have additional land to build on. She succeeded in getting 17 plots of land assigned to the locals and in gratitude for this; they named the village’s main street after her. Restaurant Puerto Nuevo I founded by Rosa María’s aunt and stepfather was built on the first lot assigned. Puerto Nuevo II was built on the second lot, and got its name because of it. A third family built yet another restaurant. All of them charged about 50 cents for a lobster dinner back then. According to Enrique Murillo, people didn’t just order a dinner apiece. They came in large groups and ordered lobsters by the half or full dozen. They picked the live lobsters out themselves and watched, as they were sliced open and cooked in sizzling lard. Even though their husbands have passed on, all three ladies who helped found the first three restaurants are still alive today to witness their thriving village with its current total of 34 restaurants.
A major growth spurt occurred in Puerto Nuevo in the ‘70s when the Ortega family came to town and built four restaurants, which they publicized widely. The signs for all the Ortega’s are easily visible from the toll road and these days, three to four thousand people make the trip to Puerto Nuevo to enjoy lobster dinners each week. Some come after a shopping trip to Rosarito, others on their way to or from Ensenada, some come on their way to or from southern Baja, but most come just for the food. There are several upscale hotels nearby now. There are plenty of shops too, where visitors can buy souvenirs from their visit to Mexico’s most famous lobster village.
A few months ago, representatives from one of Mexico City’s most renowned restaurants, Hacienda de los Morales, came to visit Enrique Murillo and Rosa María Plasencia. This is a restaurant where presidents dine and governor’s daughters get married. The owners flew the Murillos to Mexico City and had Rosa María teach their chefs how to prepare lobster, rice, beans and even tortillas Puerto Nuevo style. They convinced her to pass on the secret recipe for her legendary smoked marlin with mushrooms and chipotle sauce. Hacienda de los Morales anticipated selling about 50 lobster dinners a day when they introduced them onto their menu—but at last check they were selling upwards of 80! That would indicate, it seems, that Puerto Nuevo has become famous, not just with locals and American tourists, but on a national level within Mexico. It’s a fame that’s well deserved and hard earned, just as Puerto Nuevo is a place not to be overlooked by travelers heading down the road to Ensenada.

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 14:39
by dagosd2000
I feel this is a good time to state my feelings about this Thread. I've alluded to this before,that the thread has become more than a factual history of Southland boxing. It is a metaphor of the sociology of this region from the late 30's thru the 80's. This is a social study that is unique because it uses the personal experiences of the posters that gives us a canvas of an area in the United States that ,unless you lived here,not many Americans are familiar with.

The mix of Mexican,Chicano,Black,Asian,and White . Not just stories about boxing events,but stories embellished with personal antecdotes and incites that only people that have lived here would be able to communicate. Stories about the communities. The families,food,music,entertainment. Humor and tragedy. This Thread encompasses all.

I've tried to bring my experiences of across the border that show the connections and differences,yet are an integral part of the region. This social study is expressed in almost a literary style. The back and forth between the posters has a rhythm and teamwork that makes this Thread one of the most important pieces of writing in recent years. The collaboration is its stregnth. A collaboration of experts that have an honest feel for what they're saying.

I especially want to thank our resident authority Frank Baltazar. A neighborhood kid that has this community running in his veins. To me he is the heart and soul of this Thread. His timing is uncanny. There 'll be a topic going back and forth,and Frank will interject something off the topic that is apropos. He doesn't consider himself a writer. Maybe thats why his posts make the greatest impact on me.

There was a Mexican by the name of Octavio Paz who won a Nobel Prize for Literature. He was a sociologist who wrote about the Mexican"experience". You didn't have to read his stuff very long to figure that he was long winded. I knew his stuff was bad because Mexicans didn't read it. This Thread is significantly more important,clear,and entertaining than anything I've ever read on the sociology of the Mexican"experience". If I was a Sociology professor, this Thread would be must reading for my students.

As far as Nobel Prizes for writing,Frank I'll write you up to be nominated ,but I can't promise you anything. Besides, what do they know about the Mexican"experience"that you already know like the back of your hand?

Posted: 30 Mar 2008, 15:05
by kikibalt
Thanks diego

No, I'm not a writer at all, my mind don't work that way, I think of things and when I try to put'em on paper, my mind just goes blank.

I like to post things that're of interest to me, and maybe make the thread interesting to others that are posting here.