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[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Tony Thornton

1. Toney
2. Thornton
3. Toney
4. Toney
5. Thornton *
6. Toney
7. Toney
8. Toney
9. Toney
10. Toney
11. Toney
12. Toney

118-110 James Toney

[witherspoon]

Kovalev v Ward 2

R 1 10-9 SK
R2 10-9 SK
R3 10-9 SK
R4 9-10 AW
R5 9-10 AW
R6 10-10
R7 10-10

68-67 Kovalev at the stoppage

Just as good as the first fight, slightly easier to score but not by much. I knew the result going in, and I'm guessing that Ward was happy with the first 3 rounds because he was making Kovalev fight very hard to win those rounds.

I'm sure that Ward anticipated that Kovalev was going to slow down again but he also seemed to weaken drastically. I thought Ward looked the physically stronger of the two, so I wonder if he struggled making weight. Or maybe just the fact that Ward didn't have that issue as a smaller man could have been the difference.

I thought the stoppage was strange at first but in hindsight, Kovalev's protest seemed a bit performative.

[Casablanca]

Andre Ward vs. Sergey Kovalev II (6-17-2017)

R1: 10-9 Kovalev
R2: 10-9 Ward
R3: 10-9 Ward
R4: 10-9 Ward
R5: 10-9 Ward
R6: 10-9 Kovalev
R7: 10-9 Ward
R8: Ward wins by TKO

What a stunning performance from Andre Ward.

Here is how I scored it.

Kovalev was already in some trouble, but the cracking overhand right which Ward caught him with with about 1:20 left in the eighth round is what really began the avalanche to the end, I think.

[scartissue]

Watched a great old fight today from the '50s out of Chicago stadium. Eduardo Lausse v Bobby Boyd. Two top-ten ranked fighters in a 10 rounder, which rarely happens today. Amazingly, Illinois was utilizing the 10 point must system. So, here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Boyd
Round 2: 10-9 Lausse
Round 3: 10-9 Boyd
Round 4: 10-8 Lausse (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Boyd
Round 6: 10-9 Lausse
Round 7: 10-9 Boyd
Round 8: 10-9 Boyd
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-10 Even

Total: 96-95 Boyd

Actual scores were 94-93 Lausse, 95-88 Boyd and 94-91 Boyd for a split decision win for Boyd. Illinois may have adopted the 10 point must system but I do not know their criteria on scoring, because those scores make little sense to me. Regarding the fight, Lausse was your typical Argentine that we have seen through the years. strong as an ox, good jaw, clubbing puncher. Boyd was a slick boxer with a very good jab who didn't mind engaging with a sharp-shooting right hand. I felt it was tit-for-tat throughout until fatigue really got them in the last two rounds. The 9th you could really see them take the round off with a lot of mauling, but in the 10th Lausse was winning the round on my card, but Boyd flurried really well a couple of times during the round which pulled that even. If I gave that to Lausse I would have had a draw, which would also have been a good score. It was a good, hard 10 rounder.

I just watched this fight the other day. I didn’t realize that anyone had already scored it on here until now.

Casablanca, I must admit it has been awhile since I posted here. I used to be all over this thread in particular, which was wildly popular back then. But things dropped off and after a while I felt like I was just talking to myself. Kudos to you for revitalizing this great thread.

[Casablanca]

Watched a great old fight today from the '50s out of Chicago stadium. Eduardo Lausse v Bobby Boyd. Two top-ten ranked fighters in a 10 rounder, which rarely happens today. Amazingly, Illinois was utilizing the 10 point must system. So, here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Boyd
Round 2: 10-9 Lausse
Round 3: 10-9 Boyd
Round 4: 10-8 Lausse (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Boyd
Round 6: 10-9 Lausse
Round 7: 10-9 Boyd
Round 8: 10-9 Boyd
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-10 Even

Total: 96-95 Boyd

Actual scores were 94-93 Lausse, 95-88 Boyd and 94-91 Boyd for a split decision win for Boyd. Illinois may have adopted the 10 point must system but I do not know their criteria on scoring, because those scores make little sense to me. Regarding the fight, Lausse was your typical Argentine that we have seen through the years. strong as an ox, good jaw, clubbing puncher. Boyd was a slick boxer with a very good jab who didn't mind engaging with a sharp-shooting right hand. I felt it was tit-for-tat throughout until fatigue really got them in the last two rounds. The 9th you could really see them take the round off with a lot of mauling, but in the 10th Lausse was winning the round on my card, but Boyd flurried really well a couple of times during the round which pulled that even. If I gave that to Lausse I would have had a draw, which would also have been a good score. It was a good, hard 10 rounder.

I just watched this fight the other day. I didn’t realize that anyone had already scored it on here until now.

Casablanca, I must admit it has been awhile since I posted here. I used to be all over this thread in particular, which was wildly popular back then. But things dropped off and after a while I felt like I was just talking to myself. Kudos to you for revitalizing this great thread.

Your scores are always welcome, obviously. We have several people posting on here now again, which is cool.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Sanderline Williams 2

Toney wins all 10 rounds, 10-9.

I normally don't buy fighters excuses when they say they were sick or something for a bout, but considering that Toney fought a draw with Williams 3 months earlier, and then proceeds to dominate him and shut him out completely here, he either learned a lot and improved dramatically from their 1st bout or he was telling the truth, and he really was sick.

Either way he dominates the rematch. That's for sure.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Steve Little

1. Little
2. Little *
3. Toney
4. Toney
5. Toney
6. Toney
7. Toney
8. Toney
9. Toney
10. Toney
11. Toney
12. Toney

118-110 Toney

Little comes out very aggressively to start the bout, but can't sustain the pace, loses the steam on his attack and takes more than he gives the rest of the way to a decision loss.

[witherspoon]

Kovalev was already in some trouble, but the cracking overhand right which Ward caught him with with about 1:20 left in the eighth round is what really began the avalanche to the end, I think.

I was thinking exactly that. Ward was working the body diligently from the 3rd or 4th round on and that was his key to victory but that right hand was the beginning of the end.

[Casablanca]

I just watched the fight between Andre Ward and Chad Dawson from 2012 for the first time. What a one-sided massacre. The first two rounds were both close and could potentially have gone either way, but Ward simply took control of the fight from there with his phenomenal speed and skill. What a fighter and champion Ward was.

Andre Ward vs. Chad Dawson (9-08-2012)

R1: 10-9 Dawson
R2: 10-9 Ward
R3: 10-8 Ward (knockdown)
R4: 10-8 Ward (knockdown)
R5: 10-9 Ward
R6: 10-9 Ward
R7: 10-9 Ward
R8: 10-9 Ward
R9: 10-9 Ward
R10: Ward wins by TKO

[Casablanca]

James Toney vs Steve Little

1. Little
2. Little *
3. Toney
4. Toney
5. Toney
6. Toney
7. Toney
8. Toney
9. Toney
10. Toney
11. Toney
12. Toney

118-110 Toney

Little comes out very aggressively to start the bout, but can't sustain the pace, loses the steam on his attack and takes more than he gives the rest of the way to a decision loss.

I can see that you are on a James Toney kick.

[Casablanca]

Cassius Clay vs. Henry Cooper I (6-18-1963)

R1: 10-9 Cooper
R2: 10-9 Clay
R3: 10-9 Clay
R4: 10-8 Cooper (knockdown)
R5: Clay wins by TKO

[Casablanca]

Larry Holmes vs. Gerry Cooney (6-11-1982)

R1: 10-9 Holmes
R2: 10-8 Holmes (knockdown)
R3: 10-9 Cooney
R4: 10-9 Cooney
R5: 10-9 Holmes
R6: 10-10 Even
R7: 10-9 Holmes
R8: 10-9 Cooney
R9: 9-8 Holmes (2 pt. deduction for low blow)
R10: 10-9 Cooney
R11: 10-8 Holmes (pt. deduction for low blow)
R12: 10-9 Holmes
R13: Holmes wins by TKO

That is a score of 115-110 for Holmes at the time of the stoppage, with Cooney fading and Holmes really beginning to take control of the fight. Great fight though.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Samuel Peter

1. Toney *
2. Peter
3. Peter
4. Toney
5. Peter
6. Peter
7. Peter *
8. Toney *
9. Even 9-9 (Peter gets a point deducted for a "Double Semi-Rabbit Punch" to quote the commentator)
10. Toney
11. Toney
12. Toney

114-113 Toney

One of the more difficult fights to score I've ever seen honestly. Not much to separate many of these rounds.

[Casablanca]

Muhammad Ali vs. George Chuvalo I (3-29-1966)

R1: 10-9 Ali
R2: 10-9 Chuvalo
R3: 10-9 Ali
R4: 10-9 Chuvalo
R5: 10-9 Ali
R6: 10-9 Ali
R7: 10-9 Ali
R8: 10-9 Ali
R9: 10-9 Ali
R10: 10-9 Chuvalo
R11: 10-9 Ali
R12: 10-9 Ali
R13: 10-9 Ali
R14: 10-9 Ali
R15: 10-9 Ali

147-138 Ali

It is astounding how much punishment Chuvalo took and was able to endure in this fight. He was just tough as nails. I scored it on the 10 point must system, despite the fight having actually been scored on the 5 point must system. It was tough and competitive early on, but Ali took over as it went on and just ripped Chuvalo with combination after combination. Chuvalo’s tenacity and resilience amidst that was truly incredible.

[scartissue]

Sandy Saddler v Flash Elorde II (featherweight title)

Scoring on California's then-11-point system (6 to the winner and 5 to the loser and 5 1/2 to each with an even round)

Round 1: 5.5-5.5 Even
Round 2: 6-5 Saddler
Round 3: 6-5 Elorde
Round 4: 6-5 Saddler
Round 5: 6-5 Saddler
Round 6: 6-5 Elorde
Round 7: 6-5 Saddler
Round 8: 6-5 Elorde
Round 9: 6-5 Elorde
Round 10: 5.5-5.5 Even
Round 11: 6-5 Saddler
Round 12: 6-5 Saddler
Round 13: Saddler stops Elorde on cuts

Total through 12 completed rounds: 67-65 Saddler (actual scores: all 3 officials also had it 67-65 for Saddler)

This was quite a first. All 3 officials had the same score and so did I. What are the chances? Regarding the fight, Elorde really was a brlliant combination puncher. Oh, man when he would let loose they were beautiful. But Saddler was at home on the inside where Elorde invariably ended up. Getting banged around by Saddler on the inside wasn't a good prospect. And I gotta tell you, Sandy used that head of his like a pry-bar on Elorde. Only once did I see the ref caution Saddler and it was really minor. He just touched Saddler's head. Still in all, I enjoyed the fight.

[Casablanca]

Sandy Saddler v Flash Elorde II (featherweight title)

Scoring on California's then-11-point system (6 to the winner and 5 to the loser and 5 1/2 to each with an even round)

Round 1: 5.5-5.5 Even
Round 2: 6-5 Saddler
Round 3: 6-5 Elorde
Round 4: 6-5 Saddler
Round 5: 6-5 Saddler
Round 6: 6-5 Elorde
Round 7: 6-5 Saddler
Round 8: 6-5 Elorde
Round 9: 6-5 Elorde
Round 10: 5.5-5.5 Even
Round 11: 6-5 Saddler
Round 12: 6-5 Saddler
Round 13: Saddler stops Elorde on cuts

Total through 12 completed rounds: 67-65 Saddler (actual scores: all 3 officials also had it 67-65 for Saddler)

This was quite a first. All 3 officials had the same score and so did I. What are the chances? Regarding the fight, Elorde really was a brlliant combination puncher. Oh, man when he would let loose they were beautiful. But Saddler was at home on the inside where Elorde invariably ended up. Getting banged around by Saddler on the inside wasn't a good prospect. And I gotta tell you, Sandy used that head of his like a pry-bar on Elorde. Only once did I see the ref caution Saddler and it was really minor. He just touched Saddler's head. Still in all, I enjoyed the fight.

I am going to have to check this fight out at some point. Is their first fight, from ‘55, available on film, as well, do you know?

Another fight which I have been looking for is the first fight between Vicente Saldivar and Matsunori Seki from August of 1966, but, as of yet, I have only been able to find the second fight from January of 1967.

[scartissue]

Sandy Saddler v Flash Elorde II (featherweight title)

Scoring on California's then-11-point system (6 to the winner and 5 to the loser and 5 1/2 to each with an even round)

Round 1: 5.5-5.5 Even
Round 2: 6-5 Saddler
Round 3: 6-5 Elorde
Round 4: 6-5 Saddler
Round 5: 6-5 Saddler
Round 6: 6-5 Elorde
Round 7: 6-5 Saddler
Round 8: 6-5 Elorde
Round 9: 6-5 Elorde
Round 10: 5.5-5.5 Even
Round 11: 6-5 Saddler
Round 12: 6-5 Saddler
Round 13: Saddler stops Elorde on cuts

Total through 12 completed rounds: 67-65 Saddler (actual scores: all 3 officials also had it 67-65 for Saddler)

This was quite a first. All 3 officials had the same score and so did I. What are the chances? Regarding the fight, Elorde really was a brlliant combination puncher. Oh, man when he would let loose they were beautiful. But Saddler was at home on the inside where Elorde invariably ended up. Getting banged around by Saddler on the inside wasn't a good prospect. And I gotta tell you, Sandy used that head of his like a pry-bar on Elorde. Only once did I see the ref caution Saddler and it was really minor. He just touched Saddler's head. Still in all, I enjoyed the fight.

I am going to have to check this fight out at some point. Is their first fight, from ‘55, available on film, as well, do you know?

Another fight which I have been looking for is the first fight between Vicente Saldivar and Matsunori Seki from August of 1966, but, as of yet, I have only been able to find the second fight from January of 1967.

Casa, I have never seen either. But would love to.

[Casablanca]

Muhammad Ali vs. Leon Spinks I (2-15-1978)

R1: 10-9 Spinks
R2: 10-9 Spinks
R3: 10-9 Spinks
R4: 10-9 Spinks
R5: 10-9 Spinks
R6: 10-9 Ali
R7: 10-9 Ali
R8: 10-9 Spinks
R9: 10-9 Spinks
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-10 Even
R12: 10-9 Ali
R13: 10-9 Ali
R14: 10-9 Spinks
R15: 10-9 Spinks

145-141 Spinks

It was a gallant effort, but the deterioration was becoming more and more evident and the rate of decline was becoming steeper at this point for Ali. This really should have been his final fight.

[Casablanca]

James Toney vs Samuel Peter

1. Toney *
2. Peter
3. Peter
4. Toney
5. Peter
6. Peter
7. Peter *
8. Toney *
9. Even 9-9 (Peter gets a point deducted for a "Double Semi-Rabbit Punch" to quote the commentator)
10. Toney
11. Toney
12. Toney

114-113 Toney

One of the more difficult fights to score I've ever seen honestly. Not much to separate many of these rounds.

I am going to have to check out some of these James Toney fights.

[scartissue]

Muhammad Ali vs. Leon Spinks I (2-15-1978)

R1: 10-9 Spinks
R2: 10-9 Spinks
R3: 10-9 Spinks
R4: 10-9 Spinks
R5: 10-9 Spinks
R6: 10-9 Ali
R7: 10-9 Ali
R8: 10-9 Spinks
R9: 10-9 Spinks
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-10 Even
R12: 10-9 Ali
R13: 10-9 Ali
R14: 10-9 Spinks
R15: 10-9 Spinks

145-141 Spinks

It was a gallant effort, but the deterioration was becoming more and more evident and the rate of decline was becoming steeper at this point for Ali. This really should have been his final fight.

Here's how I had it:

Muhammad Ali v Leon Spinks I (heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Spinks
Round 2: 10-9 Spinks
Round 3: 10-9 Spinks
Round 4: 10-9 Ali
Round 5: 10-9 Ali
Round 6: 10-9 Spinks
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Ali
Round 9: 10-9 Spinks
Round 10: 10-9 Ali
Round 11: 10-9 Spinks
Round 12: 10-9 Ali
Round 13: 10-9 Spinks
Round 14: 10-9 Spinks
Round 15: 10-10 Even (best round)

Total: 145-142 Spinks (actual scores: 145-140 and 144-141 both for Spinks and a 143-142 for Ali with Spinks a split winner)

Can't believe this was 48 years ago. Being that as it may, it was a terrific show these two put on. I recall back then that there was a bit of a rumble of studies on Biorhythms and how they effect performance. So World or International Boxing did a piece on this new fad with an expert commenting on it and used Ali-Spinks as an example. Basically they said that Ali's biorhythms were high for the fight but his shape was so poor one offset the other. Man, they would have had a field day with Jack Sharkey's biorhythms. Anyways, I enjoyed the fight again after so many years. The 15th was the best with these two tagging each other for all they were worth even though both were half dead at this point.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Dave Tiberi

1. Toney
2. Tiberi
3. Tiberi
4. Toney
5. Toney
6. Toney 10-8 (Tiberi was deducted a point for a low blow)
7. Tiberi
8. Tiberi
9. Tiberi *
10. Toney *
11. Tiberi
12. Tiberi

114-113 Dave Tiberi

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Drake Thadzi

1. Thadzi
2. Thadzi *
3. Toney
4. Thadzi
5. Toney
6. Toney *
7. Toney
8. Thadzi *
9. Thadzi
10. Thadzi
11. Toney
12. Thadzi

115-113 Drake Thadzi

[Seamus]

I thought Thadzi won by 7. He won fairly easy by simply coming in, in good shape. At 175 Toney was no great shakes.

[gilgamesh]

I thought Thadzi won by 7. He won fairly easy by simply coming in, in good shape. At 175 Toney was no great shakes.

Thadzi has a weird lanky, but strong thing going on too. Awkward timing on his attacks. A tricky guy to deal with for sure, but Toney definitely had a tendency to just kinda sleepwalk through fights sometimes. I love his inside fighting when he's on, but a lot of the time he's just kinda coasting through rounds and surviving with it, and it costs him against Thadzi. He got away with one against Tiberi.

[Casablanca]

Muhammad Ali vs. Leon Spinks I (2-15-1978)

R1: 10-9 Spinks
R2: 10-9 Spinks
R3: 10-9 Spinks
R4: 10-9 Spinks
R5: 10-9 Spinks
R6: 10-9 Ali
R7: 10-9 Ali
R8: 10-9 Spinks
R9: 10-9 Spinks
R10: 10-9 Ali
R11: 10-10 Even
R12: 10-9 Ali
R13: 10-9 Ali
R14: 10-9 Spinks
R15: 10-9 Spinks

145-141 Spinks

It was a gallant effort, but the deterioration was becoming more and more evident and the rate of decline was becoming steeper at this point for Ali. This really should have been his final fight.

Here's how I had it:

Muhammad Ali v Leon Spinks I (heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Spinks
Round 2: 10-9 Spinks
Round 3: 10-9 Spinks
Round 4: 10-9 Ali
Round 5: 10-9 Ali
Round 6: 10-9 Spinks
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Ali
Round 9: 10-9 Spinks
Round 10: 10-9 Ali
Round 11: 10-9 Spinks
Round 12: 10-9 Ali
Round 13: 10-9 Spinks
Round 14: 10-9 Spinks
Round 15: 10-10 Even (best round)

Total: 145-142 Spinks (actual scores: 145-140 and 144-141 both for Spinks and a 143-142 for Ali with Spinks a split winner)

Can't believe this was 48 years ago. Being that as it may, it was a terrific show these two put on. I recall back then that there was a bit of a rumble of studies on Biorhythms and how they effect performance. So World or International Boxing did a piece on this new fad with an expert commenting on it and used Ali-Spinks as an example. Basically they said that Ali's biorhythms were high for the fight but his shape was so poor one offset the other. Man, they would have had a field day with Jack Sharkey's biorhythms. Anyways, I enjoyed the fight again after so many years. The 15th was the best with these two tagging each other for all they were worth even though both were half dead at this point.

Love getting your scorecards.