Brilliant.megastargraphix wrote:Why Devon Alexander ranked higher than Manny Pacquiao in BoxRec Pound for Pound Ratings? I think Manny Pacquiao is a lot better than Devon Alexander.
Hernandez went 18 months without beating a "quality opponent" and has been docked points because of it.Cap wrote:Just curious as to why the sudden change in the cruiserwt rankings dropping Hernandez and raising Huck and Jones. Also, considering his poor performance against a virtual unknown, why is Chambers ranked so high?
Cap
Troy Ross wasn't a "quality opponent"?JCS wrote:Hernandez went 18 months without beating a "quality opponent" and has been docked points because of it.Cap wrote:Just curious as to why the sudden change in the cruiserwt rankings dropping Hernandez and raising Huck and Jones. Also, considering his poor performance against a virtual unknown, why is Chambers ranked so high?
Cap
Chambers took his Heavyweight points down to Cruiserweight..
Although on Hernandez, I've got to say.. the drop doesn't appear to be warranted... I wonder if the quality opposition penalty should consider the current rating of the past opponent rather than the past rating of the past opponent. If this is/was the case, I don't think he would've dropped.
In reality, he definitely was, but in figures, he wasn't. His inactivity and poor recent opposition meant his rating was low when Hernandez fought him.Cap wrote:Troy Ross wasn't a "quality opponent"?
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Why did his ranking just recently change because of this? His first first fight with Cunningham was well over 18 months ago (about 20) and the second was well inside of 18 months ago (about 16)... so his opponents in the last 18 months have been Cunningham and Ross as was the case last week when he was ranked #1.JCS wrote:Hernandez went 18 months without beating a "quality opponent" and has been docked points because of it.Cap wrote:Just curious as to why the sudden change in the cruiserwt rankings dropping Hernandez and raising Huck and Jones. Also, considering his poor performance against a virtual unknown, why is Chambers ranked so high?
Cap
Chambers took his Heavyweight points down to Cruiserweight..
Although on Hernandez, I've got to say.. the drop doesn't appear to be warranted... I wonder if the quality opposition penalty should consider the current rating of the past opponent rather than the past rating of the past opponent. If this is/was the case, I don't think he would've dropped.
chucktaylor wrote:Why did his ranking just recently change because of this? His first first fight with Cunningham was well over 18 months ago (about 20) and the second was well inside of 18 months ago (about 16)... so his opponents in the last 18 months have been Cunningham and Ross as was the case last week when he was ranked #1.JCS wrote:Hernandez went 18 months without beating a "quality opponent" and has been docked points because of it.Cap wrote:Just curious as to why the sudden change in the cruiserwt rankings dropping Hernandez and raising Huck and Jones. Also, considering his poor performance against a virtual unknown, why is Chambers ranked so high?
Cap
Chambers took his Heavyweight points down to Cruiserweight..
Although on Hernandez, I've got to say.. the drop doesn't appear to be warranted... I wonder if the quality opposition penalty should consider the current rating of the past opponent rather than the past rating of the past opponent. If this is/was the case, I don't think he would've dropped.
You're right about that, my mistake.JCS wrote:chucktaylor wrote:Why did his ranking just recently change because of this? His first first fight with Cunningham was well over 18 months ago (about 20) and the second was well inside of 18 months ago (about 16)... so his opponents in the last 18 months have been Cunningham and Ross as was the case last week when he was ranked #1.JCS wrote: Hernandez went 18 months without beating a "quality opponent" and has been docked points because of it.
Chambers took his Heavyweight points down to Cruiserweight..
Although on Hernandez, I've got to say.. the drop doesn't appear to be warranted... I wonder if the quality opposition penalty should consider the current rating of the past opponent rather than the past rating of the past opponent. If this is/was the case, I don't think he would've dropped.
Cunningham II was about 18 months ago... almost to the day, right?
Wlad's opposition has been really poor since Haye. If he beats Povetkin he'll be at the top again.Freedom2013 wrote:I've always liked the BoxRec ratings, they are more objective and scientific than peoples' personal opinions and the ABC rankings.
But it seems illogical to me that Vitali is ranked higher than Wladimir.
Quality opposition penalty.MontyCircus wrote:...and now, a week after those posts...Wlad has 300 points more than Vitali? What the deuce!?
JCS wrote:Martin,
Can we get an "upset of the year".. maybe a top 3?
There are of course two ways to do this... one is by proportional difference (X/Y) and one by net points difference (X-Y).
Furthermore, I'd like to see if it changed if a minimum rating for the loser is put into place... just to weed out the really obscure stuff.
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| date | boxer_a_id | last_name | boxer_b_id | last_name | r_a_0 | r_b_0 | r_diff |
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| 2013-02-23 | 31800 | Bundrage | 43999 | Smith | 701.6832 | 154.9163 | 546.7669 |
| 2013-08-24 | 287904 | Mares | 38070 | Gonzalez | 716.1921 | 314.5691 | 401.6230 |
| 2013-08-17 | 272538 | Geale | 267609 | Barker | 715.1554 | 331.8803 | 383.2751 |
| 2013-04-13 | 48243 | Donaire | 492989 | Rigondeaux | 808.1693 | 429.6315 | 378.5378 |
| 2013-05-03 | 285564 | Sato | 528191 | Sor Rungvisai | 429.8551 | 65.3026 | 364.5525 |
| 2013-03-01 | 265500 | Dib | 531920 | Gradovich | 445.5967 | 122.2730 | 323.3237 |
| 2013-05-17 | 34020 | Lebedev | 7532 | Jones | 464.0731 | 145.8585 | 318.2146 |
| 2013-04-06 | 43525 | Viloria | 467843 | Estrada | 448.1472 | 136.0889 | 312.0583 |
| 2013-01-19 | 43998 | Salido | 364679 | Garcia | 720.2824 | 413.2191 | 307.0633 |This needs a special run - will look ...MontyCircus wrote:And, I wonder, according to the BoxRec ratings, how many times in boxing history have the #1 and #2 P4P boxers fought each other?
Just for perspective on how historic the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight would have been...
And if it's not too much trouble to do all at once, could I make the same request regarding the following dates, as well?marcianofan wrote:Hi Computerrank:
Could I get a list of the top 25 contenders at 140 as of May 14, 2012, please?
Recent wins regarding the launch state may no be interrupted by draws or losses against opponents with lower launch state - otherwise the launch state will be reduced. There is no time limit.Romulus9 wrote:Just a simple question.
What is the time frame for a "recent win" in the calculation?
A year? Two years? Etc.?
If you think you can improve the accuracy of the algorithm please let us knowikorolev wrote:The fact that there is an explanation and that the ratings are calculated by computer doesn't make it right. Software which does calculations was written by people and has obvious drawbacks. Chavez Jr who haven't ever fought a light heavyweight shows as #6 in that weight category above Jean Pascal. This is ridiculous. Fights in lower weight categories should not be counted the same way as fights in a current category.
Unlikely if his calculations are going to include 173lbs not being Light heavyweight.John wrote:If you think you can improve the accuracy of the algorithm please let us knowikorolev wrote:The fact that there is an explanation and that the ratings are calculated by computer doesn't make it right. Software which does calculations was written by people and has obvious drawbacks. Chavez Jr who haven't ever fought a light heavyweight shows as #6 in that weight category above Jean Pascal. This is ridiculous. Fights in lower weight categories should not be counted the same way as fights in a current category.
Chavez and Vera fought at light heavy 3 days ago, so there's that.ikorolev wrote:The fact that there is an explanation and that the ratings are calculated by computer doesn't make it right. Software which does calculations was written by people and has obvious drawbacks. Chavez Jr who haven't ever fought a light heavyweight shows as #6 in that weight category above Jean Pascal. This is ridiculous. Fights in lower weight categories should not be counted the same way as fights in a current category.
It is better to offer a solution than to criticise the current system.ikorolev wrote:If a system produces crappy results like Chavez Jr being above Dawson and Pascal, then instead of finding explanations, it would be better to find solutions.