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Toney's never been stopped. Zale has stopped and been stopped by some exciting fighters - Graziano for instance - but personally I feel that Toney takes what he has to throw and takes the fight on points, depending on how much he left on the scales... a hard-charging Zale against a drained Toney could be a different story. Same-day weigh in? Fuggedaboutit.

Mine:

Sugar Ray Leonard (1981, 1st Hearns Fight) vs Sugar Shane Mosley (2003, second De La Hoya fight)

@matt___s wrote:Toney's never been stopped. Zale has stopped and been stopped by some exciting fighters - Graziano for instance - but personally I feel that Toney takes what he has to throw and takes the fight on points, depending on how much he left on the scales... a hard-charging Zale against a drained Toney could be a different story. Same-day weigh in? Fuggedaboutit.

Mine:

Sugar Ray Leonard (1981, 1st Hearns Fight) vs Sugar Shane Mosley (2003, second De La Hoya fight)

Leonard will not be out-sugared in this one. It might be close for the first few rounds, but Leonard and Dundee would find a way to make this fight easy. Leonard by wide decision.

Next up....

Vitali Klitschko (vs Lewis) vs George Foreman (vs Lyle)

IRLangmaid25 wrote:

Ketchel wrote:Opener
Willie Meehan (vs Dempsey) V Butterbean (vs Holmes) 10 rds

Support
Harry Greb V Joe Calzaghe 15 rds

Main Event
Carmen Basilio V Pacquiao

For me

Meehan's movement will see him take a wide points over a slow butter bean.
Calzaghe's southpaw stance high workrate style and handspeed will beat Greb in the early rounds but through rounds 13-15 runs out of gas but still holds out for a points decision win.

and finally
Pacquiao's speed and aggression will see Bassilo's face get busted up with which results in a cuts stoppage loss in the middle rounds.

Next up using the three fight bill
Roy Jones v Lucian Bute: 12 Rounds Super Middleweight
Kelly Pavlik v Arthur Abraham 12 rounds Middleweight
John Conteh v Nathan Cleverly 15 rounds Light Heavyweight

Jones by stoppage early. Bute hasn't beaten anybody.

Pavlik by decision, knowing what we now know about Abraham. Before the Froch fight I'd have picked him to stop Pavlik. Stylistically he's not that dissimilar to Froch, he's taller, longer but probably more basic as opposed to awkward. I just think that AA's lack of counterpunching ability could cost him a clear decision here. Pavlik is tough and resilient, against Hopkins it would have been easier to just quit on his stool or take a dive, he didn't and kept going, even when hopelessly outclassed.

Conteh would probably stop Cleverly, we saw Nathan outboxed for spells last night against Tony Bellew, who possesses some of the attributes that Conteh had, albeit nowhere near as good. We'll see the best of him up at cruiser. Clev is a gritty fighter but really he's all heart and engine was zero defence and head movement, Conteh would have a field day.

keithmoonhangover wrote: Next up....

Vitali Klitschko (vs Lewis) vs George Foreman (vs Lyle)

One thing you cannot fault Vitali on is his chin. Foreman doesn't knock him down, but I could see the corner pulling Vitali out after 11, 12 rounds of 15. I'm unsure if Vitali would be able to stop Big George, as the fight goes on, I think Foreman has just enough surplus power to get the retirement win.

Next...

Juan Manuel Marquez (09/10) vs Arturo Gatti (03/04), 12rds, 140lbs.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:I always liked Gatti but Marquez is far too skilled for him. I see this as being quite similar to how Marquez took apart Katsidis, Gatti may be competitive for the first two or three rounds, he may even catch Marquez and knock him down, but Marquez takes control and a busted up Gatti is stopped by the ref in the final few rounds.

Salvador Sanches vs. Naseem Hamed at 126.

I love Hamed, but he's out of his depth and loses a decision after being on the deck twice.

Next up.....

147.

Manny Pacquiao (vs De La Hoya) vs Don Curry (vs MrCrory)

keithmoonhangover wrote:

The Dark Destroyer wrote:I always liked Gatti but Marquez is far too skilled for him. I see this as being quite similar to how Marquez took apart Katsidis, Gatti may be competitive for the first two or three rounds, he may even catch Marquez and knock him down, but Marquez takes control and a busted up Gatti is stopped by the ref in the final few rounds.

Salvador Sanches vs. Naseem Hamed at 126.

I love Hamed, but he's out of his depth and loses a decision after being on the deck twice.

Next up.....

147.

Manny Pacquiao (vs De La Hoya) vs Don Curry (vs MrCrory)

Pac wins narrow decision against prime 147 DeLaHoya,Wins a War of a battle against Curry (Tko-11),hits the deck a couple times in the early rounds though, And is overmatched stylewise By the too tall Hearns like frame of McCrory,losing a relatively close but clear cut UD.

1979 Prime version of "Vito Anterfermo"(who fought a draw with Hagler) vs 1984 version of "Juan Roldan"(The man who decked Hagler and seemed to have his number until the 3rd round thumb in the eye).

also...

Jorge Castro vs Mathew Hilton

Carlos Baldomir vs Pipino Cuevas

AngryGoon38 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

The Dark Destroyer wrote:I always liked Gatti but Marquez is far too skilled for him. I see this as being quite similar to how Marquez took apart Katsidis, Gatti may be competitive for the first two or three rounds, he may even catch Marquez and knock him down, but Marquez takes control and a busted up Gatti is stopped by the ref in the final few rounds.

Salvador Sanches vs. Naseem Hamed at 126.

I love Hamed, but he's out of his depth and loses a decision after being on the deck twice.

Next up.....

147.

Manny Pacquiao (vs De La Hoya) vs Don Curry (vs MrCrory)

Pac wins narrow decision against prime 147 DeLaHoya,Wins a War of a battle against Curry (Tko-11),hits the deck a couple times in the early rounds though, And is overmatched stylewise By the too tall Hearns like frame of McCrory,losing a relatively close but clear cut UD.

1979 Prime version of "Vito Anterfermo"(who fought a draw with Hagler) vs 1984 version of "Juan Roldan"(The man who decked Hagler and seemed to have his number until the 3rd round thumb in the eye).

also...

Jorge Castro vs Mathew Hilton

Carlos Baldomir vs Pipino Cuevas

No replies for too long,so,Imo,...

Castro withstands Hilton's early barrages and wins by 11th rd tko. If a 10 rd'er,Castro by sd.

In a 12 rd'er,Baldo by close decision,in a 10 rd'er,cuevas by sd.

Next up...

Tommy Morrison vs Tommy Hearns (12 Rounds)
Back when 190 was the cruiserweight limit.
Hearns weighs in at 193,like Jones Jr vs Ruiz in 03.
Morrison weighs in at 212. Earlier lighter quicker Version of Morrison,before all that extra muscle weightgain.
Lets get ready to rumble !

many of the fans think this match-up will end like Frazier, Bob Foster fight. think again. Morrison starts quick backing up the Hitman. a good right uppercut left hook combo from Morrison in the second round gets the crowd on its feet, but Tommy moving. opening of third sees Morrison missing with big hook- its misses Hearns counters with a wicked strait right. Morrison down, up at count of 3. Hearns moves in for kill, Morrison tries to hold, but catches another right on the chin. and cant beat the count. winner...from Detroit Michigan Thomas "hitman" Hearns. up next...Murray Sutherland vs. Lucian Bute

tennessee wrote:many of the fans think this match-up will end like Frazier, Bob Foster fight. think again. Morrison starts quick backing up the Hitman. a good right uppercut left hook combo from Morrison in the second round gets the crowd on its feet, but Tommy moving. opening of third sees Morrison missing with big hook- its misses Hearns counters with a wicked strait right. Morrison down, up at count of 3. Hearns moves in for kill, Morrison tries to hold, but catches another right on the chin. and cant beat the count. winner...from Detroit Michigan Thomas "hitman" Hearns. up next...Murray Sutherland vs. Lucian Bute

I would pick Bute by clear cut decision. Kind of a boring fight overall.


Juan Manual Marquez vs. Meldrick Taylor (140)

Jorge Castro vs Rocky Graziano (160)

Thomas Hearns vs Bob Foster (175)

Taylor would clearly outpoint Marquez, and Foster sets up Hearns for a savage KO. Havent seen enough of Castro, so Ill let someone else get that.

Castro takes a beating. Maybe Graziano gets tired of hitting him & gets tagged with a hail-Mary left hook late on. Maybe. But no. Castro had a Hell of a chin, so Graziano by dismemberment.

Veeraphol Nakornluang-Promotion vs Rafa Marquez, mid-2004.

Datsue wrote:Castro takes a beating. Maybe Graziano gets tired of hitting him & gets tagged with a hail-Mary left hook late on. Maybe. But no. Castro had a Hell of a chin, so Graziano by dismemberment.

Veeraphol Nakornluang-Promotion vs Rafa Marquez, mid-2004.

I could see that one turning into a bit of a grinding-down sort of fight. Both men fought some terrific fighters in that period. I edge towards Marquez as I have seen more of him, both men have been stopped fairly early at other points of their careers, but this one goes to points. Marquez UD12.

My pick:

Thomas Hearns (1991, the Virgil Hill fight) vs Bernard Hopkins (2006, the Tarver fight). 12 Rds.

I'm gonna say Hopkins by SD. He's the same height as Hearns. Kind of a bad style matchup for Hearns who Loves fighting tall. Hearns was very impressive in the Hill fight but i always thought Hill could've won if he stuck and moved more. He seemed to underestimate Hearns and stayed in the pocket too much. Maybe thought he'd catch Hearns. Hopkins fights Hearns the right way imo. More patient than Hill was. Utilizes counters and Hearns doesnt land the big right flush enough. Keeps Hopkins honest here and there but is slightly outboxed overall from the superior counterpunching of B-Hop.

Carlos Monzon vs Joe Calzahge 12 Round @ (168)

AngryGoon38 wrote:I'm gonna say Hopkins by SD. He's the same height as Hearns. Kind of a bad style matchup for Hearns who Loves fighting tall. Hearns was very impressive in the Hill fight but i always thought Hill could've won if he stuck and moved more. He seemed to underestimate Hearns and stayed in the pocket too much. Maybe thought he'd catch Hearns. Hopkins fights Hearns the right way imo. More patient than Hill was. Utilizes counters and Hearns doesnt land the big right flush enough. Keeps Hopkins honest here and there but is slightly outboxed overall from the superior counterpunching of B-Hop.

Carlos Monzon vs Joe Calzahge 12 Round @ (168)

Interesting.

Joe's work rate would give someone like Monzon problems. He was hardly the slickest or fleet-footed of fighters but his power and chin managed to compensate for that. His style would fit well in moving up a division, so i doubt the extra 8lbs would have much of an affect on him.

Joe would probably have the better start, but Monzon's solid right hand and counter punching would eventually cause problems to anybody.

Joe was suspect to getting picked off by right hand leads and pot shots during his flurries, something Monzon would capitalize and not be so forgiving as old man Hopkins.

Monzon was the better boxer, but his lack of speed would be a problem for him imo. Nevertheless

imo Monzon by Close but fair UD.

Jose Napoles VS James Toney @ 160

Toney by competitive UD. Napoles was a marvel but hes too small at 160, especially with the added burden of the day-before weigh-in.

Billy Conn vs Bob Foster

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Toney by competitive UD. Napoles was a marvel but hes too small at 160, especially with the added burden of the day-before weigh-in.

Billy Conn vs Bob Foster

Foster by knockout for me in the late rounds as Conn spends most of the fight eating Foster's left jab.

Ricky Hatton v Julio Cesar Chavez Snr 12 rounds Light-Welterweight.

Chavez by 10th rountd TKO. Simply a different class.

Holyfield vs M. Spinks at 190

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Chavez by 10th rountd TKO. Simply a different class.

Holyfield vs M. Spinks at 190

Holyfield knocks down Spinks in the last round to enable a Sd win.

Johnny Tapia vs Junior "Poison" Jones @ 118 - 12 Rounds

Vinnie Pazienza vs Billy Costello @ 140 - 12 Rounds

Chris Eubank vs Kelly Pavlik @ 168 - 12 Rounds

AngryGoon38 wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Chavez by 10th rountd TKO. Simply a different class.

Holyfield vs M. Spinks at 190

Holyfield knocks down Spinks in the last round to enable a Sd win.

Johnny Tapia vs Junior "Poison" Jones @ 118 - 12 Rounds

Vinnie Pazienza vs Billy Costello @ 140 - 12 Rounds

Chris Eubank vs Kelly Pavlik @ 168 - 12 Rounds

I can do two out of three.
Junior Jones dances rings around Johnny Tapia for 12 rounds but does not have the power to drop him as for Eubank v Kelly Pavlik. Pavlik has got the power to give Eubank a few problems however Eubank is too slick and elusive and beats Pavlik on a wide points decision for me.

Next up
Chris Eubank v Roy Jones Jnr at 160 and 168
Sugar Shane Mosley v Sugar Ray Leonard at Welterweight

IRLangmaid25 wrote:

AngryGoon38 wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Chavez by 10th rountd TKO. Simply a different class.

Holyfield vs M. Spinks at 190

Holyfield knocks down Spinks in the last round to enable a Sd win.

Johnny Tapia vs Junior "Poison" Jones @ 118 - 12 Rounds

Vinnie Pazienza vs Billy Costello @ 140 - 12 Rounds

Chris Eubank vs Kelly Pavlik @ 168 - 12 Rounds

I can do two out of three.
Junior Jones dances rings around Johnny Tapia for 12 rounds but does not have the power to drop him as for Eubank v Kelly Pavlik. Pavlik has got the power to give Eubank a few problems however Eubank is too slick and elusive and beats Pavlik on a wide points decision for me.

Next up
Chris Eubank v Roy Jones Jnr at 160 and 168
Sugar Shane Mosley v Sugar Ray Leonard at Welterweight

Eubank comes unstuck against Jones at either weight. He may well be the stronger of the two, IMO, but he would not be able to completely halt RJJ in his plan to fight on the outside and raid in with combinations. Either that or it turns into a sh1thouse fight of both men trying to jab eachother from extreme range, kind of a more talented, blacker, Groves--Degale.

Leonard beats Mosley at 147. Lighter than that I think SSM has a better chance but at 147 I think Leonard is the better fighter, by the time Shane is at 147 he is good but not able to deal with the Leonard that still had several lbs to go before he ran out of comfort zone.

To combine the two....

Chris Eubank, the 1991 (- Watson fight) version, against 1989's Sugar Ray Leonard (vs Hearns and Duran). 168lbs, 12rds.

@matt___s wrote:

IRLangmaid25 wrote:

AngryGoon38 wrote: Holyfield knocks down Spinks in the last round to enable a Sd win.

Johnny Tapia vs Junior "Poison" Jones @ 118 - 12 Rounds

Vinnie Pazienza vs Billy Costello @ 140 - 12 Rounds

Chris Eubank vs Kelly Pavlik @ 168 - 12 Rounds

I can do two out of three.
Junior Jones dances rings around Johnny Tapia for 12 rounds but does not have the power to drop him as for Eubank v Kelly Pavlik. Pavlik has got the power to give Eubank a few problems however Eubank is too slick and elusive and beats Pavlik on a wide points decision for me.

Next up
Chris Eubank v Roy Jones Jnr at 160 and 168
Sugar Shane Mosley v Sugar Ray Leonard at Welterweight

Eubank comes unstuck against Jones at either weight. He may well be the stronger of the two, IMO, but he would not be able to completely halt RJJ in his plan to fight on the outside and raid in with combinations. Either that or it turns into a sh1thouse fight of both men trying to jab eachother from extreme range, kind of a more talented, blacker, Groves--Degale.

Leonard beats Mosley at 147. Lighter than that I think SSM has a better chance but at 147 I think Leonard is the better fighter, by the time Shane is at 147 he is good but not able to deal with the Leonard that still had several lbs to go before he ran out of comfort zone.

To combine the two....

Chris Eubank, the 1991 (- Watson fight) version, against 1989's Sugar Ray Leonard (vs Hearns and Duran). 168lbs, 12rds.

Chris Eubank wins by Majority Decision. Eubank takes most of the early and mid rounds,Leonard Rallies down the stretch,but too little too late.





Danny Lopez vs Barry McGuigan

Tony Zale vs Sergio Martinez

Rocky Graziano vs Kelly Pavlik

Marcel Cerdan vs Joe Calzahge

IRLangmaid25 wrote: Junior Jones dances rings around Johnny Tapia for 12 rounds

Huh? When was Jones ever a dancer? Tapia easily had the more bounce in his step.

Why can people not just post one fight at a time?

@matt___s wrote:Why can people not just post one fight at a time?

New suggested rule: Ignore all hypo's but the first in any series and voila! Things will move right along! lol

Under the new rules here is my next contribution.

Wladimir K v Riddick Bowe.