Depends on the scores.@matt___s wrote:Can anyone tell me what Groves' and Froch's points totals would have been had the fight gone to Groves by UD rather than Froch by stoppage?
Assuming Groves by 2 on all cards, say?JCS wrote:Depends on the scores.@matt___s wrote:Can anyone tell me what Groves' and Froch's points totals would have been had the fight gone to Groves by UD rather than Froch by stoppage?
computerrank wrote:Groves would be at around 700 points, just a bit higher than Froch.
Normal points win would see Grove behind Froch. So he would be set just a bit above the mean of the old ratings before the bout - and Froch a bit lower.
I see him at 994. Still odd.cold187 wrote:why did froch go up to 1042 after tko victory vs groves, from 975
now 2 days later, he is back to 975 points. why has he lost points for????
but its not frochs fault that bute has notbeen fighting (or maybe it is). this way froch is penalised points due to another pesons inactivity.computerrank wrote:Froch had a rating of 1042 points after his win on 2013-11-23.
But his best opponent Lucian Bute with 879 points before their bout on 2012-05-26 got out of scope after 18 months on 2013-11-26.
Now his best opponent is Mikkel Kessler with only 473 points before their bout.
This was somewhat less than the required 50% of his own rating. So Froch lost some points.
The opponents are measured by their rating before the bout. And the boxer taking the opponent is responsible for choosing him.cold187 wrote:but its not frochs fault that bute has notbeen fighting (or maybe it is). this way froch is penalised points due to another pesons inactivity.computerrank wrote:Froch had a rating of 1042 points after his win on 2013-11-23.
But his best opponent Lucian Bute with 879 points before their bout on 2012-05-26 got out of scope after 18 months on 2013-11-26.
Now his best opponent is Mikkel Kessler with only 473 points before their bout.
This was somewhat less than the required 50% of his own rating. So Froch lost some points.
also i saw solis vs leif larsen previosuly.
why when solis won by UD he lost points and larsen won points.
Not the case. Bute's subsequent fights do not impact Frochs points, indeed they arent talking about Butes subsequent 18 months, but Frochs.cold187 wrote:but its not frochs fault that bute has notbeen fighting (or maybe it is). this way froch is penalised points due to another pesons inactivity.computerrank wrote:Froch had a rating of 1042 points after his win on 2013-11-23.
But his best opponent Lucian Bute with 879 points before their bout on 2012-05-26 got out of scope after 18 months on 2013-11-26.
Now his best opponent is Mikkel Kessler with only 473 points before their bout.
This was somewhat less than the required 50% of his own rating. So Froch lost some points.
Boxrec doesn't take into account rankings, but the point ratings only.cold187 wrote:maybe kessler and groves didnt have as much points as bute did. but surely the calibre of the fighters and their ranking on boxrec should also be taken into account. groves and kessler were top 5 opponents on boxrec.
Highest career rating (ratings after the bout)@matt___s wrote:ty for that
Out of interest...
Whats the highest points value that a fighter has had (so highest value during career)
and whats the biggest points gain that a fighter has had from a fight? I'm sure that second one has been answered before but I couldn't see anything through a search
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| first_name | last_name | r_a | first_name | last_name | r_b | date |
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| Rocky | Marciano | 6523 | Archie | Moore | 3349 | 1955-09-21 |
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Biggest points gain@matt___s wrote:ty for that
Out of interest...
Whats the highest points value that a fighter has had (so highest value during career)
and whats the biggest points gain that a fighter has had from a fight? I'm sure that second one has been answered before but I couldn't see anything through a search
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| first_name | last_name | r_diff | first_name | last_name | date |
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| Billy | Backus | 2115 | Jose | Napoles | 1970-12-03 |
| Joey | Giardello | 1935 | Dick | Tiger | 1963-12-07 |
| Randy | Turpin | 1931 | Sugar Ray | Robinson | 1951-07-10 |
| Young | Corbett III | 1839 | Fred | Apostoli | 1938-02-22 |
| Young | Corbett III | 1839 | Fred | Apostoli | 1938-02-22 |
| Lew | Jenkins | 1805 | Lou | Ambers | 1940-05-10 |
| Sammy | Angott | 1781 | Bob | Montgomery | 1942-03-06 |
| LC | Morgan | 1755 | Jose | Napoles | 1966-08-22 |
| Jersey Joe | Walcott | 1730 | Ezzard | Charles | 1951-07-18 |
| Rocky | Marciano | 1719 | Archie | Moore | 1955-09-21 |
| Fritzie | Zivic | 1656 | Henry | Armstrong | 1940-10-04 |
| Mike | Kaplan | 1648 | Fritzie | Zivic | 1941-04-18 |
| Fred | Apostoli | 1621 | Young | Corbett III | 1938-11-18 |
| Willie | Joyce | 1612 | Henry | Armstrong | 1943-03-02 |
| Del | Flanagan | 1597 | Virgil | Akins | 1958-09-18 |
| Freddie | Cochrane | 1591 | Fritzie | Zivic | 1941-07-29 |
| Sugar Ray | Leonard | 1590 | Marvin | Hagler | 1987-04-06 |
| Eduardo | Duarry | 1581 | Tony | Herrera | 1933-09-18 |
| Chuck | Woods | 1544 | Tony | Canzoneri | 1935-02-26 |
| Al Bummy | Davis | 1538 | Bob | Montgomery | 1944-02-18 |
| Beau | Jack | 1521 | Bob | Montgomery | 1943-11-19 |
| Lou | Ambers | 1511 | Tony | Canzoneri | 1936-09-03 |
| Billy | Soose | 1506 | Ken | Overlin | 1940-07-24 |
+------------+-----------+--------+------------+---------------+------------+:!:JCS wrote:Geez Martin, you should be getting a paycheck at this point.
keithmoonhangover wrote:Is there a way of finding out what the top ten heavyweights looked like the day after Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson?
computerrank wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Is there a way of finding out what the top ten heavyweights looked like the day after Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson?
Very good sir.that is fcuking quality. and yes you do deserve a special nod martin, JCS said next time he sees you he's getting you a pint from all of us.computerrank wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Is there a way of finding out what the top ten heavyweights looked like the day after Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson?
computerrank wrote:Biggest points gain@matt___s wrote:ty for that
Out of interest...
Whats the highest points value that a fighter has had (so highest value during career)
and whats the biggest points gain that a fighter has had from a fight? I'm sure that second one has been answered before but I couldn't see anything through a search
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+------------+-------------+--------+------------+-------------+------------+ | first_name | last_name | r_diff | first_name | last_name | date | +------------+-------------+--------+------------+-------------+------------+ | Young | Corbett III | 1839 | Fred | Apostoli | 1938-02-22 | | Young | Corbett III | 1839 | Fred | Apostoli | 1938-02-22 | +------------+-----------+--------+------------+---------------+------------+