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Since we're talking Quarry,I got something to say about Mike. He was not popular down here in Dagoland. He beat some local talent that was big with the fans, Ronnie Wilson and another light heavy,Amado Vasquez.

Amado Vasquez was big for a Mexican fighter and so why not match him with Mike,the guy that just come off a win against our Ronnie Wilson? If our Irishman couldn't beat Mike,maybe our Mexican could hand him his first loss.

We don't have a Boyle Heights or a Pacoima down here. Our old Mexican neighborhood is National City. Often referred to as "Shell Town". That's because there's been a Shell gas station at this burg's entrance. The fight was put in the park next to the police station ,and I thought that was a good idea. For San Diego this was a good match up. The most popular local Mexican fighter against the undefeated Irishman from LA. Now I don't know if this is a natural rivalry or even an unnatural rivalry,but when these two climbed into the ring they sure looked different. The only white guys I saw there were the Quarry brothers and their wives,and to be honest I think the Quarry clan was ready to take on all of National City,Mexico City,and Pancho Villa's army. At the same time. The thing about the Quarrys though, it wouldn't have been important if they won or lost as long as they were fightin'. It didn't matter if they were outnumbered either.

Well I'm at ringside and I'm conversing with everyone with my best imitation of the Spanish language. It's not like I'm in Tijuana. Speaking"Spanglish"on this side, means your parents were Mexican,but didn't speak it in the house. Archie Moore is there. They bring him up to the ring and everyone goes nuts. National City is Mexican,but 'Ol Arch is as good as gold there. I saw Archie get a standing ovation at the bullring in Tijuana before an Olivares fight. The Mexican fans were sitting down applauding when Ruben got his intro. I don't think Archie was ever booed in the ring. But then again he never fought in Timbuktu.

I kind of wanted to see Vasquez win only because I wanted to see the Quarry's fight everyone in"Shell Town". But then again if Mike wins,they might have to fight everyone anyway. The fight's close with both boys having their moments. Everytime Vasquez lands one 3 or 4 firecrackers go off. But that didn't deter the Quarrys. Everytime Mike showed something,you thought it was St. Paddy's Day. But Vasquez gets cut and he starts to wind down. Quarry has blood on him too,but he's OK with it. Mike's a good boxer, and every minute Vasquez's cut is opening up more. Finally he can't see,and before Quarry can knock him out,the ref stops it.

Vasquez takes the loss hard. He almost broke. I think he not only felt bad for himself ,but for his fans. It was a big fight for him. Quarry on the other hand is celebrating in the ring with his brothers and sisters in laws. It was funny. No one bothered them. I think everyone respected their "huevos" that night. All the Quarrys. Well maybe their wives didn't have "huevos",but to use that old phrase,"they looked Irish and tough."

Expug wrote:Ray, was that when Kenny fought Rico Brooks?

Yes.

Expug wrote:Jerry used to rough up Mike pretty good huh?
Some fighters are just that way.
You put them in the ring with gloves on to spar, it doesnt matter who the hell they are in with, its on . Its the real deal.
Somebody is gettin belted out.
Other guys can work a little easier, move around .

I understand Dempsey was the same way. Whether a official bout, exhibition, sparring session - it was always the "real deal" with Dempsey.

He knocked out a sportswriter who wanted to spar a round or two and find out what it felt like to box the great Jack Dempsey - well I guess he did!

The Dempsey story is pretty funny, and I'll repeat what I remember to those who maybe never heard it.

When Dempsey was training for Firpo, Paul Gallico - who became a great sportwriter - approached Dempsey about sparring a couple of rounds to "see what its like to box a champion." Gallico was convinced by his editor that this "hands on experience" would give him a better appreciation for boxing. Dempsey's reply: "What's the matter kid? Don't your editor like you no more?"

Gallico convinced Dempsey to let him have a try at it, but he expressed a concern about taking body punches. "Don't worry, kid, I won't hit you in the body."

A day or so before the sparring session, Gallico mentioned to Hype Igoe that he would be boxing a few rounds with Dempsey. When Igoe expressed some concern for Gallico's well-being, Gallico said they were only going to "fool around." Dempsey, he promised, would take things "easy." "Son," said Igoe, "that man doesn't know the word 'easy.'"

Grantland Rice wrote something to the effect that it would make a great story for Gallico, assuming, that is, Gallico could successfully reattach his head to his neck after Dempsey got done with him.

The day of the sparring match, Gallico gets to see Dempsey cream a couple of sparring partners, so when he climbs in the ring, he's bit nervous. But when the session starts, he lands two or three jabs, and starts getting some confidence. That's when everything went black and Gallico found himself sitting on the canvas, "grinning idiotically," and holding onto the canvas with both hands to keep the ring from spinning.

When he gets up, Dempsey pulls him into a clinch and tells him, "we'll just wrestle around a little til your head clears."

Then Dempsey proceeds to wack Gallico with a half-dozen rabbit punches, and Gallico went down for good - much to the amusement of his fellow sportswriters.

But Dempsey was a man of his word - he never hit Gallico in the gut the whole minute and a half the match lasted.

dagosd2000 wrote:

raylawpc wrote:I hope Rick chimes in, then. I sure liked Mike Quarry from the very short time I knew him.

Another really nice guy was Kenny Norton. I got to work his corner when he fought in Oklahoma City (wasn't much work-he stopped his opponent in the first - so my "work" was helping him off with his robe, washing out his mouthpiece, handing it to Bill Slayton, and then helping him back on with his robe). He was a nice fellow, and very unassuming.

I remember in the dressing room, they were talking about Ali beating Foreman, and somebody commented that he didn't think Foreman was much of a fighter. "Well, he sure knocked the shit out of me!," Kenny said.

Tom,
I knew Kenny a lttle when he began his career in San Diego. Sparred with him a few times. Unassuming,sometimes moody,quiet. He was hard to figure . He was in a terrible auto accident ,I think up in LA. He suffered a bad head injury. His speach became slurred. Some people thought it was dementia. It was the head injury from the accident. Also there were some that thought he was drunk or on drugs when the accident occurred. At that time ,Norton didn't drink or use drugs. I think he always stayed away from that. I saw him a while back in San Diego. He's very detached. That injury had an impact on him.

I had heard about Kenny's accident, and it saddened me. He was very nice, yet quiet and unassuming, in the dressing room that night in Oklahoma City. We didn't have private dressing rooms in Oklahoma City, and Kenny was very nice to the guys with whom he shared his dressing room. He was just one of the guys on fight night, not a primadonna at all.

Another nice guy was Bill Slayton, his trainer.

He and Ken came to Oklahoma City by themselves, and the promoter asked me to help Bill in the corner. I remember Bill Slayton thanked me two or three times for helping him out. Heck, I was honored!

I was saddened to learn recently that Bill is no longer with us.

Ray, Bill Slayton talks about Kennys fight with Rico in the book "In The Corner".
Its a real good read and Bill Slayton from reading his story , seemed like a real good guy.
He said he and Kenny were a little rocky at first but developed a great relationship.
Something to that effect.

dagosd2000 wrote:Since we're talking Quarry,I got something to say about Mike. He was not popular down here in Dagoland. He beat some local talent that was big with the fans, Ronnie Wilson and another light heavy,Amado Vasquez.

Amado Vasquez was big for a Mexican fighter and so why not match him with Mike,the guy that just come off a win against our Ronnie Wilson? If our Irishman couldn't beat Mike,maybe our Mexican could hand him his first loss.

We don't have a Boyle Heights or a Pacoima down here. Our old Mexican neighborhood is National City. Often referred to as "Shell Town". That's because there's been a Shell gas station at this burg's entrance. The fight was put in the park next to the police station ,and I thought that was a good idea. For San Diego this was a good match up. The most popular local Mexican fighter against the undefeated Irishman from LA. Now I don't know if this is a natural rivalry or even an unnatural rivalry,but when these two climbed into the ring they sure looked different. The only white guys I saw there were the Quarry brothers and their wives,and to be honest I think the Quarry clan was ready to take on all of National City,Mexico City,and Pancho Villa's army. At the same time. The thing about the Quarrys though, it wouldn't have been important if they won or lost as long as they were fightin'. It didn't matter if they were outnumbered either.

Well I'm at ringside and I'm conversing with everyone with my best imitation of the Spanish language. It's not like I'm in Tijuana. Speaking"Spanglish"on this side, means your parents were Mexican,but didn't speak it in the house. Archie Moore is there. They bring him up to the ring and everyone goes nuts. National City is Mexican,but 'Ol Arch is as good as gold there. I saw Archie get a standing ovation at the bullring in Tijuana before an Olivares fight. The Mexican fans were sitting down applauding when Ruben got his intro. I don't think Archie was ever booed in the ring. But then again he never fought in Timbuktu.

I kind of wanted to see Vasquez win only because I wanted to see the Quarry's fight everyone in"Shell Town". But then again if Mike wins,they might have to fight everyone anyway. The fight's close with both boys having their moments. Everytime Vasquez lands one 3 or 4 firecrackers go off. But that didn't deter the Quarrys. Everytime Mike showed something,you thought it was St. Paddy's Day. But Vasquez gets cut and he starts to wind down. Quarry has blood on him too,but he's OK with it. Mike's a good boxer, and every minute Vasquez's cut is opening up more. Finally he can't see,and before Quarry can knock him out,the ref stops it.

Vasquez takes the loss hard. He almost broke. I think he not only felt bad for himself ,but for his fans. It was a big fight for him. Quarry on the other hand is celebrating in the ring with his brothers and sisters in laws. It was funny. No one bothered them. I think everyone respected their "huevos" that night. All the Quarrys. Well maybe their wives didn't have "huevos",but to use that old phrase,"they looked Irish and tough."

The Quarry women were the toughest of the bunch. According to Johnny Flores, who started Jerry boxing at age 7, "When I see Ma Kettle (Arawanda Quarry) coming my way, I step aside."

I grew up listening to Flores talk of his young heavyweight contender, during Jerry's rise in the heavyweight division. Of course, there was a lot of talk of his co-manager, Jerry's dad, Jack. Lot's of tales from Jerry's New York training camp, "Grossinger's".

Middleweight Mike Nixon married Quarry sister, Wilma. This drove manager Mel Epstein crazy, I can't repeat his words here, but they were quite funny.


-Rick Farris

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Frank, did you know the Quarrys very well?



How about Jerry? What was he like in street clothes?

Tom,

No, I just knew both Jerry and mike through boxing, I would see'em at the gyms, at the fights, and we would talk, but no, we were not personal friends, I'm sure Rick knew'em better then I did.

Jerry was a bit unpredictable. Later, after his career was over, Jerry would occasionally work for Peter Milano. Some California guys might be familiar with that name.

-Rick Farris

Ric wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

bennie wrote:Incidentally, back on to the subject of Ken Buchanan: he works as a carpenter in Glasgow in relative anonymity. He was once on a building site and someone did recognise him and asked him for his autograph. A younger worker on the site watched all of this and told Ken: "You must be one hell of a f ucking carpenter."

THAT is a great story!

Yeah, that's too funny. I once had the pleasure of having dinner with Mr. Buchanan--at the banquet the night before the World Boxing Hall of Fame induction ceremony, Oct. 2000, in Los Angeles. We shared a table. (I took a photo of him reading through a home-made souvenir book I had created for my grandfather, Pete Sanstol, who was being inducted.) He was a very pleasant and charming fellow.

Nice shot of Ken. He is 60 or 61 now but looks about 48, tops. Kenny must be one of the few world champs in history never to have fought in his hometown.

dagosd2000 wrote:Since we're talking Quarry,I got something to say about Mike. He was not popular down here in Dagoland. He beat some local talent that was big with the fans, Ronnie Wilson and another light heavy,Amado Vasquez.

Amado Vasquez was big for a Mexican fighter and so why not match him with Mike,the guy that just come off a win against our Ronnie Wilson? If our Irishman couldn't beat Mike,maybe our Mexican could hand him his first loss.

We don't have a Boyle Heights or a Pacoima down here. Our old Mexican neighborhood is National City. Often referred to as "Shell Town". That's because there's been a Shell gas station at this burg's entrance. The fight was put in the park next to the police station ,and I thought that was a good idea. For San Diego this was a good match up. The most popular local Mexican fighter against the undefeated Irishman from LA. Now I don't know if this is a natural rivalry or even an unnatural rivalry,but when these two climbed into the ring they sure looked different. The only white guys I saw there were the Quarry brothers and their wives,and to be honest I think the Quarry clan was ready to take on all of National City,Mexico City,and Pancho Villa's army. At the same time. The thing about the Quarrys though, it wouldn't have been important if they won or lost as long as they were fightin'. It didn't matter if they were outnumbered either.

Well I'm at ringside and I'm conversing with everyone with my best imitation of the Spanish language. It's not like I'm in Tijuana. Speaking"Spanglish"on this side, means your parents were Mexican,but didn't speak it in the house. Archie Moore is there. They bring him up to the ring and everyone goes nuts. National City is Mexican,but 'Ol Arch is as good as gold there. I saw Archie get a standing ovation at the bullring in Tijuana before an Olivares fight. The Mexican fans were sitting down applauding when Ruben got his intro. I don't think Archie was ever booed in the ring. But then again he never fought in Timbuktu.

I kind of wanted to see Vasquez win only because I wanted to see the Quarry's fight everyone in"Shell Town". But then again if Mike wins,they might have to fight everyone anyway. The fight's close with both boys having their moments. Everytime Vasquez lands one 3 or 4 firecrackers go off. But that didn't deter the Quarrys. Everytime Mike showed something,you thought it was St. Paddy's Day. But Vasquez gets cut and he starts to wind down. Quarry has blood on him too,but he's OK with it. Mike's a good boxer, and every minute Vasquez's cut is opening up more. Finally he can't see,and before Quarry can knock him out,the ref stops it.

Vasquez takes the loss hard. He almost broke. I think he not only felt bad for himself ,but for his fans. It was a big fight for him. Quarry on the other hand is celebrating in the ring with his brothers and sisters in laws. It was funny. No one bothered them. I think everyone respected their "huevos" that night. All the Quarrys. Well maybe their wives didn't have "huevos",but to use that old phrase,"they looked Irish and tough."

I read somewhere that Jerry and Archie had a serious falling out after Archie, who was training Earnie Shavers for a Quarry fight in the summer of 1973 , threw Shavers in with Jeff "Candy" Merritt in sparring and Shavers suffered a busted jaw and the whole thing was put back six months.
Quarry then publicly derided Moore as a trainer.

From what periods was Quarry trained by Moore ?

Thanks guys.

Robinson wrote:From what periods was Quarry trained by Moore ?

Thanks guys.

This was posted on an another forum some years ago:

Don King's first ever fighter was Jeff 'Candy Slim' Merritt, who at 6'5" and 220 pounds had a deserved reputation as a dangerous puncher and, like King, had done a stretch in jail. He took out Ernie Terrell in one and was then brought in as a sparring partner for Earnie Shavers by Earnie's trainer at the time, Archie Moore. 'The Acorn' was preparing for his Madison Square Garden headliner with Jerry Quarry.
That fight was originally scheduled for the summer of 1973, until Merritt shattered Earnie's jaw in sparring and the fight was postponed until December. It was reported that Shavers's jaw was resting on his chest. Quarry was furious. "Merritt isn't someone you get in the ring to spar with. You don't get in the ring with him unless it is for money, real money." Quarry insisted Moore was incompetent as a trainer and that he wished he was still a fighter because, "I would love to knock him out." This caused lasting bad blood between the two of them.
Unsurprisingly, Shavers's management fired Moore because of the incident. Quarry went on to destroy Shavers in the first round that December at the Garden. As for Merritt, drug problems continually plagued him, and, after stopping Ron Stander in his first fight after Terrell, he was knocked out by the light-hitting Henry Clark and then by Stan Ward. He now shows up at big fights begging for money.

Incidentally, I greatly exaggerated reports of Tommy Buchanan's death (Ken's father).
Tommy is in his 80s and very much alive.

The Great L.A. Barbecue Roundup, Part 1

Barbecue, barbeque, BBQ, B-B-Q, bar-b-cue, bar-b-que, bar-b-q... however you spell it, it's the most wonderful food in the world. We're talking about succulent animal flesh dry-rubbed or basted with sauce and smoked to perfection. It is (just like life itself) spicy, sweet and tangy. And on rare occasions, it'll make you want to weep with joy.

This list is an attempt to be semi-authoritative on the subject of barbecue restaurants in greater L.A., so we don't make too many distinctions about quality (there are a few grossly overhyped restaurants on this list). We avoid chains with more than a handful of outlets (Chris' & Pitts, Wood Ranch, Tony Roma's). We avoid restaurants where barbecue isn't the focus of the menu. And that's about it.

Remember, this is just Part 1 (A-J) of the list. Don't forget The Great L.A. Barbecue Roundup, Part 2 (L-Z).

1. Baby Blues BBQ Venice
Though it’s still hard to find great BBQ joints in Los Angeles, Baby Blues is proof they do actually exist (albeit in ramshackle quarters on a busy street corner).

2. Bad 2 Da Bone B-B-Q Inglewood
Just down the street from LAX, these St. Louis style ribs have a spicy outer crust and meat that melts right off the bone. Take out only.

3. Barn Burner Texas Barbeque Pasadena
"Bringing the glorious art of Texas barbecue" to us poor, benighted Californians, Barn Burner serves up hefty beef ribs, smoked Tri-Tip, barbecued chicken, pulled pork, brisket, hot links and burgers. They keep things simple at this restaurant, where you can buy your meat by the pound. Sides include the usual (cole slaw, potato salad, mac 'n cheese, etc., beans) as well as a few standouts like mashed sweet potatoes, creamed corn, onion rings, garlic fries and jalapenos.

4. The Bear Pit BBQ Mission Hills
Missouri-style barbecue in Mission Hills.
5. Benny's Bar-B-Q Marina del Rey
Benny's memorable brand of tangy homestyle barbecue has been keeping hungry people happy for nearly 20 years.

6. Big Mama's Rib Shack & Soul Food Pasadena
Straddling the line between barbecue and Cajun/Creole food, Big Mama's serves perfectly golden brown fried chicken, ribs drenched in sauce, pork chops, jambalaya, gumbo, fried catfish, red beans and rice and for dessert, cobbler, red velvet cake, pecan pie and sweet potato pie.

7. Big Papi's Barbeque North Hollywood/Valley Village
What this family-run, hole-in-the-wall lacks in ambiance it more than makes up for in flavor. Their barbecue walks the fine line between sweet and spicy, never veering too far to one side. And the prices can't be beat. Get a lunch special of a barbecued sandwich with your choice of two sides (beans, coleslaw, potato salad), and you can get out the door for $6. It's tasty but the wait can be long and the decor is definitely no frills.

8. Boneyard Bistro Sherman Oaks
Where barbecue meets bistro: Boneyard Bistro aims to please everyone -- and succeeds -- by offering its baby backs alongside more ambitious fare.

9. Buckboard BBQ & Grill Upland/Montclair
Santa Maria-style barbecue.

10. Chicago For Ribs Redondo Beach 11. Chicago For Ribs Westchester 12. Chicago For Ribs San Pedro/Wilmington 13. Chicago For Ribs Lakewood 14. Dr. Hogly-Wogly's Tyler, Texas BBQ Van Nuys
This strange-sounding eatery -- original owner Johnny Greene got this nickname working at the local Piggly Wiggly supermarket as a lad back home in Tyler, Texas -- is famous for some of the best Texas-style barbecue in Southern California. The portions are huge at this decidedly no-frills Valley institution, and favorites include Texas hot links, tender brisket, spareribs and chicken. Sides such as macaroni salad and baked beans are generally satisfying, and those who feel up to it can finish it all off with authentic Southern-style sweet potato pie. Meal for two: $40.

15. Grandpa Fred's Barbecue Woodland Hills 16. Gus's Barbecue South Pasadena
Recognizable by a vintage neon sign not far from the shuttered Rialto Theatre, Gus' s Barbecue has been providing ribs to South Pasadena for over 60 years.

17. Huston's Texas Pit BBQ Hollywood
Established in 1944, this small, funky shack surrounded by a U-shaped parking lot serves BBQ that's above average but hardly stunning, which still ranks it above most of the low-end joints in the Cahuenga Corridor. The saucy, smoky barbecued beef sandwich is the best thing on the menu. But the ribs (they have beef AND pork) tend to be a bit tough and are drenched in too much sauce. Across the board, Huston's prices are quite reasonable, and if it's not busy, you can settle into one of the plastic and formica booths, and hang out for hours, As unlikely as it may sound, Huston's for all your Hollywood meetings.

18. J & J Burger & Barbeque Crenshaw District 19. J.R.'s Bar-B-Que Culver City

At J.R.'s Bar-B-Que, Jeannie Jackson and her son, Robert, keep the Memphis-style 'que coming.

20. Jaybee's Bar-B-Q Gardena 21. Joey's Bar-B-Q Chino / Chino Hills
Voted best barbecue in the Inland Empire, this family restaurant run by native Texans Luria and Ray Moors serves big beefy ribs.

22. Joey's Smokin' B-B-Q Manhattan Beach 23. Joey's Smokin' B-B-Q Tustin Do you like this list? Vote Now:

Expug wrote:Ray, Bill Slayton talks about Kennys fight with Rico in the book "In The Corner".
Its a real good read and Bill Slayton from reading his story , seemed like a real good guy.
He said he and Kenny were a little rocky at first but developed a great relationship.
Something to that effect.

I have to check it out. He couldn't have had much to say; the fight lasted all of two minutes.

But I'm sure he wrote how much he enjoyed meeting, and working, with me!

Ric wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

bennie wrote:Incidentally, back on to the subject of Ken Buchanan: he works as a carpenter in Glasgow in relative anonymity. He was once on a building site and someone did recognise him and asked him for his autograph. A younger worker on the site watched all of this and told Ken: "You must be one hell of a f ucking carpenter."

THAT is a great story!

Yeah, that's too funny. I once had the pleasure of having dinner with Mr. Buchanan--at the banquet the night before the World Boxing Hall of Fame induction ceremony, Oct. 2000, in Los Angeles. We shared a table. (I took a photo of him reading through a home-made souvenir book I had created for my grandfather, Pete Sanstol, who was being inducted.) He was a very pleasant and charming fellow.

Ric, I was at the Hotel Bonaventure for the banquet that year. In fact, I remember you and your acceptance speech for your grandfather. I recall you in the lobby donating a painting or a picture of Pete to the Hall. Is my memory correct on this? I also remember the Buchanans. The Bonaventure had a great bar in the center of the lobby which was a true watering hole for everyone to congregate by. My Dad and I got into a good healthy laugh-fest with the Buchanans and they were telling us great stories, but these Scots had an agenda, to shake me down for drinks while mesmerising me. I wouldn't bite and excused myself. However, I did hear a couple of good stories up until then. Tommy had a good one about Edwin Dooley the NYSAC at the weigh-in before the Buchanan-Carlos Ortiz fight. Dooley liked being at the center of attention when the cameras were rolling and was leaning in over Buchanan in order to be the one to announce his weight. Dooley calls out "Buchanan, 147!" Wayyy over the contracted weight. But Tommy calmly says, "Uh, Ed, Could you take your elbow off of Ken's shoulder?" The next announcement, "Buchanan, 135!" Tooooo funny!

Scartissue

Howard Winstone vs Vicente Saldivar

dagosd2000 wrote:Since we're talking Quarry,I got something to say about Mike. He was not popular down here in Dagoland. He beat some local talent that was big with the fans, Ronnie Wilson and another light heavy,Amado Vasquez.

"

Dago, my Dad hated Mike Quarry in the beginning of his career. He just thought of him as a jab and run artist, which in some ways he was but I appreciated the fact that he was a beautiful boxer. However, after the Bob Foster knockout I saw a big change in Mike's style. Suddenly, he was now a tiger. I saw him duke it out with Billy Kelly Wagner for 10 torrid rounds and get robbed of the decision (it was a draw). A year or so earlier he would have waltzed to an easy decision over this guy. Whether it was intentional for a more crowd-pleasing style or his reflexes were diminishing after the Foster KO, I don't know. But this style, combined with the fact that Mike had a great jaw and no punch made one thing clear, he was looking at 10 hard rounds in every fight for the rest of his career and this could not have helped him in later life. This was most evident in the Andy Kendall fights. He boxed brilliantly in their first fight (I think it was '71) but the second fight, the new Mike got into the trenches with a much older Kendall and fought Andy's fight and Andy takes the decision. I only saw that pre-Foster brilliance twice again. In the first Rossman fight and the Tom Bethea fight. Which tells me maybe it was still there and maybe he was trying to please the crowd. I don't know.

Scartissue

scartissue wrote:

Ric wrote:

raylawpc wrote: THAT is a great story!

Yeah, that's too funny. I once had the pleasure of having dinner with Mr. Buchanan--at the banquet the night before the World Boxing Hall of Fame induction ceremony, Oct. 2000, in Los Angeles. We shared a table. (I took a photo of him reading through a home-made souvenir book I had created for my grandfather, Pete Sanstol, who was being inducted.) He was a very pleasant and charming fellow.

Ric, I was at the Hotel Bonaventure for the banquet that year. In fact, I remember you and your acceptance speech for your grandfather. I recall you in the lobby donating a painting or a picture of Pete to the Hall. Is my memory correct on this? I also remember the Buchanans. The Bonaventure had a great bar in the center of the lobby which was a true watering hole for everyone to congregate by. My Dad and I got into a good healthy laugh-fest with the Buchanans and they were telling us great stories, but these Scots had an agenda, to shake me down for drinks while mesmerising me. I wouldn't bite and excused myself. However, I did hear a couple of good stories up until then. Tommy had a good one about Edwin Dooley the NYSAC at the weigh-in before the Buchanan-Carlos Ortiz fight. Dooley liked being at the center of attention when the cameras were rolling and was leaning in over Buchanan in order to be the one to announce his weight. Dooley calls out "Buchanan, 147!" Wayyy over the contracted weight. But Tommy calmly says, "Uh, Ed, Could you take your elbow off of Ken's shoulder?" The next announcement, "Buchanan, 135!" Tooooo funny!

Scartissue

Yes, you are correct. I had collected about a dozen Montreal LaPRESSE Sunday newspaper inserts from the 1920s--including those of Pete, Panama Al Brown, Leo (Kid) Roy, Joey Scalfaro, and others, to the Hall. I gave them personally to Lou Filippo, who also was very gracious. A great guy! I also remember that bar. I sat near Bert Sugar and listened to him talking. I also got to ride with Jose Torres and Juan LaPorte in a van from the hotel to the Anaheim Pond, where they presented an evening of boxing. See below:

Here's a link to a Web page I created about that WBHOF induction.

kikibalt wrote:
Howard Winstone vs Vicente Saldivar

In the second of three meetings, Welsh great Winstone lost by half a point in June 1967 at Ninian Park in front of 30,000.

Alex Ramos

Robinson wrote:From what periods was Quarry trained by Moore ?

Thanks guys.

Robinson . . .

Moore never trained Jerry. Johnny Flores brought in Teddy Bentham, who worked with Quarry for a couple of years. Flores and Quarry had a split in early 1970, and after that the most noteable trainer Jerry used was Gil Clancy.

-Rick Farris

Boxingnut wrote:El Gato and Frank (kikbalt)

Sadly I could not find out too much information about Allan Syres. His record on BoxRec is listed as 8-3-2 (2KO's). I couldn't find much after doing a Google search nor was he listed in any books I own. Great that he is being inducted into the Californian Boxing Hall of Fame, who would have thought a Scouser would do that? (A Scouser, by the way, is a slang term for someone who comes from Liverpool, England).

Bump. Can anyone give me any more info on Allan Syres?