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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Oct 2009, 23:06
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:Image

These small hand weights in the photo were given to me by Mel Epstein back in early 1975. I used them when I shadowboxed and when I ran. They weigh a couple of pounds each. I still use them. I just came back from a two and a half mile walk. Jeri was with me. We took the weights with us. We take turns with them.

Of course when I have them in my hands I can't help but think of Mel. When he had me in front of the bag, he would show me how to snap that jab out but he always used sound effects. He would make me do it to. Go "ffttt, ffiit"! when you pop that jab out. So there I was "ffttt, ffttting away". The funny thing is, is that it worked. It helped me focused and it increased my speed. Mel was always full of funny little ideas when it came to boxing. He was like Felix the cat with his magic bag of tricks. I would be jabbing away in the gym, weights in hand, ffttt, ffttting away. Not just with the jab but with all my punches.

Whenever I walk or run, I still breathe through my nose and I still keep my chin to my chest. Same thing when I skip rope.

I'm not sure why I'm mentioning any of this except that whenever I have those weights in my hands Mel pops into my head.

By the way Rog, I wish I had a photo of Mel so you could paint him. Rick will attest to this. His face had character like no one else. You would have had a ball painting him.

Randy :bag:

I have a good one. Of Mel and I standing side-by-side in front of the Elks Bldg. a couple days before his 72nd birthday.
It's fight night at the Forum later. We were at the Elks to weigh-in for my six-rounder.
Mel is standing straight with his hands on his hips, that look on his face that was his trade mark.
Rog will have a field day with this one. I also have one of he and Young Firpo, taken in the early 30's. Mel has a full head of hair!
He's standing next to the imposing Firp, with a silly smile on his face, like Stan Laurel. What a charactor!
I gotta dig it out, I have it.


-Rick Farris
Rick, please do. If you do find the photos of Mel would you mind sending me a copy by email?

I can see Mel with his hands on his hips. When he was getting impatient he would lean forward just a bit and start tapping his foot, some times using his whole leg. with the grin. it was funny. I have always likened Mel's smile to Stan Laurel but when he laughed it was Charlie Chaplin. His smile and his laugh were the stuff of nightmares! (sorry Mel but you know it's true!)

Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Oct 2009, 23:11
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:Image

These small hand weights in the photo were given to me by Mel Epstein back in early 1975. I used them when I shadowboxed and when I ran. They weigh a couple of pounds each. I still use them. I just came back from a two and a half mile walk. Jeri was with me. We took the weights with us. We take turns with them.

Of course when I have them in my hands I can't help but think of Mel. When he had me in front of the bag, he would show me how to snap that jab out but he always used sound effects. He would make me do it to. Go "ffttt, ffiit"! when you pop that jab out. So there I was "ffttt, ffttting away". The funny thing is, is that it worked. It helped me focused and it increased my speed. Mel was always full of funny little ideas when it came to boxing. He was like Felix the cat with his magic bag of tricks. I would be jabbing away in the gym, weights in hand, ffttt, ffttting away. Not just with the jab but with all my punches.

Whenever I walk or run, I still breathe through my nose and I still keep my chin to my chest. Same thing when I skip rope.

I'm not sure why I'm mentioning any of this except that whenever I have those weights in my hands Mel pops into my head.

By the way Rog, I wish I had a photo of Mel so you could paint him. Rick will attest to this. His face had character like no one else. You would have had a ball painting him.

Randy :bag:

I have a good one. Of Mel and I standing side-by-side in front of the Elks Bldg. a couple days before his 72nd birthday.
It's fight night at the Forum later. We were at the Elks to weigh-in for my six-rounder.
Mel is standing straight with his hands on his hips, that look on his face that was his trade mark.
Rog will have a field day with this one. I also have one of he and Young Firpo, taken in the early 30's. Mel has a full head of hair!
He's standing next to the imposing Firp, with a silly smile on his face, like Stan Laurel. What a charactor!
I gotta dig it out, I have it.


-Rick Farris
Rick, please do. If you do find the photos of Mel would you mind sending me a copy by email?

I can see Mel with his hands on his hips. When he was getting impatient he would lean forward just a bit and start tapping his foot, some times using his whole leg. with the grin. it was funny. I have always likened Mel's smile to Stan Laurel but when he laughed it was Charlie Chaplin. His smile and his laugh were the stuff of nightmares! (sorry Mel but you know it's true!)

Randy

You bet I will, Randy. The classic is the portait of he and Firp. They were standing together in front of Firpo's Buick.
My copy is framed. I'll see if I can get John Bardelli to forward me a copy to post and share with you.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Oct 2009, 23:16
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote: You bet I will, Randy. The classic is the portait of he and Firp. They were standing together in front of Firpo's Buick.
My copy is framed. I'll see if I can get John Bardelli to forward me a copy to post and share with you.

-Rick
Thanks Rick :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Oct 2009, 23:17
by dagosd2000
kikibalt wrote:Tijuana is a Fight Town! Part 1
October 7, 2009 by Felipe Leon

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Tijuana is a fight town. It has always been and it always will be. As the city produces its own champions, it also welcomes a multitude of fighters from farther south in Mexico who come to the border town for the same reason as many of their compatriots do, to look for a better life for themselves and their families on the north side of the border.

As the strong winds that once belonged to the “Tijuana Tornado’ have slowed down to a breeze since his suspension from professional boxing, Tijuana must now look towards the future for a new star. The only one on the horizon is the #1 ranked WBC lightweight Antonio DeMarco as he prepares to battle for the interim lightweight title at the end of the month. Since the pickings are slim, there is no better time to look at the past for a boxing superman. With the likes of former champions Erik Morales, Alejandro “Terra” Garcia and Raul “Jibaro” Perez enshrined in the pantheon of Tijuana boxing and even current super featherweight champ Humbero “Zorrita” Soto, Jorge “travieso” Arce and the great Julio Cesar Chavez having made Tijuana their boxing home, we must go farther back to learn about one of the first Tijuana fighters to make a name for himself on either side of the border.

His name is Gaspar “Indio” Ortega.

“I met him in 1957 and I had the pleasure sparring with him two rounds,” Benjamin Rendon, the current boxing commissioner of Tijuana says smiling. “Obviously he took it easy with me since I was a lightweight and he was a welterweight plus by that time he had already fought in New York City.”

Despite what Boxrec.com reports, Ortega began his career in 1950 and it spanned for 185 bouts within 15 years all in the welterweight division (Boxrec.com reports a record of 131-39-6, 69KO).

“Indio” Ortega was part of the main event in twenty-five fights at the mecca of boxing, Madison Square Garden in New York City and in forty-four fights which were broadcast “coast to coast” when national coverage meant something.

Think Elvis Presley, The Beatles or the JFK assasination.

“When he fought, the traffic in Tijuana stopped,” Rendon remembers. “It was like in the movies where people would crowd around the street side windows of furniture stores watching his fights. Tijuana has about two million residents now and it is difficult for the Municipal Auditorium that seats about five thousand to sell out. When Gaspar fought in the fifties, he would sell out the bullring, twenty-five thousand, and Tijuana back then had about three hundred thousand residents.”

Originally from Mexicali, MX, Ortega landed as a toddler in Tijuana and considers himself a Tijuana native.

“I got to the gym because of my older brothers, they all fought,” the very lucid Ortega reminisces. “In the beginning, I saw it as a job. I liked that I could make 2,3 or even 10 pesos that I could take home. I was fourteen years old and by the time I was fifteen, I was fighting in the amateurs.”

By 1950, he was crowned the Baja California amateur champion and in the same year, he made his debut as a professional.

“I remember it was in the month of May, but I don’t recall the day,” the almost seventy-four year old Ortega suprinsingly recollects. “Before the fight, I had to go pee every three minutes because I was so nervous but once I climbed into the ring and began to box, everything changed. I used everything I had learned in the gym.”

Despite winning his first fight, a four rounder at the famed and now non-existant Arena Mexico in Tijuana, Ortega had other, much more dangerous career plans.

“I wanted to be a bullfighter,” he states seriously. “I had done many novilleras, basically practice bull fights with much smaller bulls. One day a small bull got me, close to my groin and that is when I decided to stop. It was too dangerous.”

By his first professional fight, Ortega had earned his nickname of “Indio” or the “Indian”. His parents who were from Oaxaca had all the features of the indegenous people of that region with his mother fitting the bill to a T, according to Ortega. Ortega soldiered on, fighting practically once a month if not more often as it was the style of the day.

“We didn’t earn as much back then so we fought more often,” Ortega states. “Most of the time they would tell us days in advance, sometimes with no warning at all. Even if I wasn’t training, they would go look for me at my house and tell me I was fighting the following Monday. If I was lucky, they would give me my opponent’s name. Once I fought on Monday, I would be back in the gym on Tuesday.”

After roughly twenty-one consecutive wins, Ortega suffered his first loss after taking the longest hiatus of his career, five months.

“My conditioning at that time did have a little to do with my first loss but mostly it was because I wasn’t sure if I wanted to continue to fight,” Ortega says. Since fighting was a big part if not the only part of Gaspar’s income at the time, the fact that the local promoters would sometimes not have him fight for weeks at a time made Ortega think twice about his chosen profession.

“That time they left me without fighting for like two or three months. I had to resort to selling newspapers to put food on the table,” Ortega explains. “I had to run all around town picking up the newspapers and in a way that helped me with my conditioning but not enough to win that fight.”

Frank
Way back in the thread I wrote about how I saw Gaspar Ortega in Tijuana. It was the early 60's. I was with my father getting a haircut. Ortega lived in Colonia Morelos which is just up the hill north of the downtown area.He had just come off a loss to Emile Griffith. Across from the barber shop was a park.(all the colonias in TJ have their park).I remember a big commotion at one end of the park after the haircut. My father told me it was Gaspar Ortega. I was watching the fights on a regular basis from The Garden on TV. Ortega was a staple. Anyway there he is with a blond gringa in this lemon yellow convertible buying tacos for everyone in sight.

At the WBHOF BANQUET I talked to him about that day and if he remembered the moment I was talking about. He laughed.I guess he was with his wife. He said,"You sure it was me?"

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Oct 2009, 23:21
by dagosd2000
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Gaspar Ortega and Maria at the WBHOF Banquet last year. They sure did yack about Tijuana in the old days. :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Oct 2009, 23:23
by dagosd2000
Rick
Thanks for the info from Josie. It was a misunderstanding about the ad. It's all cleared up.Rog :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Oct 2009, 23:34
by dagosd2000
Frank
Felipe Leon is a good guy. I've talked with him. He's really into the fight scene in TJ. I guess he goes to everything they put on down there. But that fight scene is not what it once was. Jibaro Perez and Dinamita Estrada were the last of the big shows down there.

Chavez fought once down there when he was champ. Yori Boy Campos fought a lot in TJ,but I remember seeing Napoles,Sugar Ramos,Olivares,Saldivar,and Davey Moore. There were also cards with Ismael Laguna,Indio Ortega, and Archie Moore. I saw Sugar Ray in 1965 at the bullring. Kid Irapuato,Baby Vasquez I remember. I don't know if Gato fought in TJ,but today the big fights with name Mexican fighters are in LA. or Vegas. :cry:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 00:11
by Rick Farris
dagosd2000 wrote:Rick
Thanks for the info from Josie. It was a misunderstanding about the ad. It's all cleared up.Rog :TU:

Josie Mejia :TU:
She is an angel to the WBHOF. :bow:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 00:20
by raylawpc
Randyman wrote:Image

These small hand weights in the photo were given to me by Mel Epstein back in early 1975. I used them when I shadowboxed and when I ran. They weigh a couple of pounds each. I still use them. I just came back from a two and a half mile walk. Jeri was with me. We took the weights with us. We take turns with them.

Of course when I have them in my hands I can't help but think of Mel. When he had me in front of the bag, he would show me how to snap that jab out but he always used sound effects. He would make me do it to. Go "ffttt, ffiit"! when you pop that jab out. So there I was "ffttt, ffttting away". The funny thing is, is that it worked. It helped me focused and it increased my speed. Mel was always full of funny little ideas when it came to boxing. He was like Felix the cat with his magic bag of tricks. I would be jabbing away in the gym, weights in hand, ffttt, ffttting away. Not just with the jab but with all my punches.

Whenever I walk or run, I still breathe through my nose and I still keep my chin to my chest. Same thing when I skip rope.

I'm not sure why I'm mentioning any of this except that whenever I have those weights in my hands Mel pops into my head.

By the way Rog, I wish I had a photo of Mel so you could paint him. Rick will attest to this. His face had character like no one else. You would have had a ball painting him.

Randy :bag:
O'Grady did the same thing. . . the "ffttt, ffttt, ffttt" thing. He told me that it got you in the habit of exhaling through your nose when you punched. It must have been an old school thing, but it worked. :bag:

Sean was the loudest in our gym (we used to tease him about it), and you could really hear him when he was sparring or punching the heavy bag. And he's the only guy from our gym to become a world champion . . . coincidence? :o . . . Hmmmm . . . :?? ;;-)

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 09:01
by kikibalt
Got a flu shot two days ago and it knock me for a loop.... :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 09:06
by kikibalt
dagosd2000 wrote:Frank
Way back in the thread I wrote about how I saw Gaspar Ortega in Tijuana. It was the early 60's. I was with my father getting a haircut. Ortega lived in Colonia Morelos which is just up the hill north of the downtown area.He had just come off a loss to Emile Griffith. Across from the barber shop was a park.(all the colonias in TJ have their park).I remember a big commotion at one end of the park after the haircut. My father told me it was Gaspar Ortega. I was watching the fights on a regular basis from The Garden on TV. Ortega was a staple. Anyway there he is with a blond gringa in this lemon yellow convertible buying tacos for everyone in sight.

At the WBHOF BANQUET I talked to him about that day and if he remembered the moment I was talking about. He laughed.I guess he was with his wife. He said,"You sure it was me?"
One thing that I missed in all the years I was in boxing was going to the fights in TJ, don't know why, just never got there.... :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 09:10
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:Frank, today I got the CBHOF stuff you sent. Thank you very much for sharing the Jeffries memorabilia with me. :TU: :TU:

Linda and I did get a chuckle over the congratulations sent Jeff's way by Councilman Parks and his best wishes for Jeff's "continued success in all your future endeavors" - given Jeff has been dead since 1953!! :lol:
No, thank you! hope you have a place for the memorabila in your office... :TU:

Councilman Park doesn't know much about boxing, does he?.... :lol: :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 09:23
by kikibalt
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Gaspar Ortega and Maria at the WBHOF Banquet last year. They sure did yack about Tijuana in the old days. :lol:
:TU: :TU: :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 09:30
by raylawpc
Hey Roger, I'm thinking of you while enjoying my Starbucks croissant waiting for my flight at the St Louis airport! :OhYes: :wink:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 10:51
by dagosd2000
raylawpc wrote:Hey Roger, I'm thinking of you while enjoying my Starbucks croissant waiting for my flight at the St Louis airport! :OhYes: :wink:
Tom
Now you need to try their new instant coffee :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 11:03
by kikibalt
Memorial to Pasadena boxer comes one step closer

Parks commission approves a plaque honoring Canto Robledo, who trained prizefighters even though he was blind.

By Nicole Santa Cruz

October 8, 2009

Leaders of Pasadena's Latino community cheered, clapped and shared hugs this week as the Recreation and Parks Commission unanimously recommended a proposal for a permanent memorial to the late boxer Canto Robledo.

Robledo, who died in 1999, was one of the few blind managers and trainers in boxing. After losing his sight because of a detached retina at 22, he refused to quit the sport he loved and went on to train nearly 500 fighters -- 200 of them professionals -- before he retired in 1990.

After various failed attempts at establishing a memorial, such as renaming a park or commissioning a bronze statue, supporters say they are one step closer to recognizing the boxer as a piece of Pasadena's history. Though the approval may seem small, it was an accomplishment for supporters who had been advocating a memorial for years. The City Council must still approve the memorial.

"This is a very proud moment," said Joseph Robledo, Canto Robledo's son. "It's a huge powerful statement because it sends a message that Pasadena has recognized his gigantic legacy."

The proposed memorial will be a 37-inch by 25-inch wall relief with a 10-inch by 16-inch bronze plaque mounted at Villa-Parke Community Center.

Others who spoke in support of the plaque during Tuesday's meeting said Pasadena needs a monument to a Latino.

Greg Harrison, a member of the parks commission, said Canto Robledo's story reminded him of when he was a young, struggling football player.

Though he got pushed around playing the game, his father wouldn't let him quit.

"I was particularly moved by the sentiment of education and how everybody needs a story of perseverance," Harrison said. The memorial, he said, shouldn't stop with a plaque.

"This can be a beginning, it doesn't have to be an end," he said.

Inez Yslas, co-chair of the Pasadena Latino Forum, said she was nearly speechless at the meeting's turnout.

"I have never seen such an incredible crowd come before the city," she said.

Michelle Zavala, Canto Robledo's great-niece, said girls didn't go to Robledo's gym very often. But whenever she stepped inside, she always marveled at the diversity.

"It's not just a Hispanic thing," Zavala said.

[email protected]

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 12:07
by dagosd2000
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Don Fraser and Howie Steindler

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 12:28
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Memorial to Pasadena boxer comes one step closer

Parks commission approves a plaque honoring Canto Robledo, who trained prizefighters even though he was blind.

By Nicole Santa Cruz

October 8, 2009

Leaders of Pasadena's Latino community cheered, clapped and shared hugs this week as the Recreation and Parks Commission unanimously recommended a proposal for a permanent memorial to the late boxer Canto Robledo.

Robledo, who died in 1999, was one of the few blind managers and trainers in boxing. After losing his sight because of a detached retina at 22, he refused to quit the sport he loved and went on to train nearly 500 fighters -- 200 of them professionals -- before he retired in 1990.

After various failed attempts at establishing a memorial, such as renaming a park or commissioning a bronze statue, supporters say they are one step closer to recognizing the boxer as a piece of Pasadena's history. Though the approval may seem small, it was an accomplishment for supporters who had been advocating a memorial for years. The City Council must still approve the memorial.

"This is a very proud moment," said Joseph Robledo, Canto Robledo's son. "It's a huge powerful statement because it sends a message that Pasadena has recognized his gigantic legacy."

The proposed memorial will be a 37-inch by 25-inch wall relief with a 10-inch by 16-inch bronze plaque mounted at Villa-Parke Community Center.

Others who spoke in support of the plaque during Tuesday's meeting said Pasadena needs a monument to a Latino.

Greg Harrison, a member of the parks commission, said Canto Robledo's story reminded him of when he was a young, struggling football player.

Though he got pushed around playing the game, his father wouldn't let him quit.

"I was particularly moved by the sentiment of education and how everybody needs a story of perseverance," Harrison said. The memorial, he said, shouldn't stop with a plaque.

"This can be a beginning, it doesn't have to be an end," he said.

Inez Yslas, co-chair of the Pasadena Latino Forum, said she was nearly speechless at the meeting's turnout.

"I have never seen such an incredible crowd come before the city," she said.

Michelle Zavala, Canto Robledo's great-niece, said girls didn't go to Robledo's gym very often. But whenever she stepped inside, she always marveled at the diversity.

"It's not just a Hispanic thing," Zavala said.

[email protected]

Frank . . . Joe Robledo phoned me last night. He's very excited. There wil be a nice mural of his father at Villa Park in Pasadena.
I have invited him to join us here sometime and shared your memory of his father and mother with him. He was happy to hear your memory of his parents and my memory of his father.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 13:16
by kikibalt
Hell!, Rick, Villa Park should be re-named "Canto Robledo Park", hell, if Tony Cerda can have a park named after him, why not canto?.... :bag: :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 13:56
by kikibalt
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Eddie Perkins
May 10, 1960

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 14:14
by kikibalt
Image

Alphonse Halimi vs Jose Becerra
Bantamweight Championship of the World

Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California
July 8, 1959

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 14:59
by kikibalt
Canto Robledo

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 15:01
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Hell!, Rick, Villa Park should be re-named "Canto Robledo Park", hell, if Tony Cerda can have a park named after him, why not canto?.... :bag: :TU:

I agree, Frank. There will be one last meeting in Pasadena to discuss that possibility. I will be there repping the WBHOF.
You know, this park has a boxing ring and program. And Canto had a lot to do with that.
You and I know the toubles kids have today, with gangs, etc. How many kids have been diverted from that thru boxing?
I think guys like Canto, Johnny Flores, Frank Baltazar, Jake Horn, etc all deserve parks named in their honor for DECADES of service to the community, even if indirectly.
This is the purpose behind the Johnny Flores Youth Development Award, which you will be the first recipient. The WORLD would be a lot less if not for men like you.
When you think of the expense one bad kid looking for trouble can create, and multiply that by hundreds, then we understand the importance of a child having a good influence.


-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 15:12
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Image

Alphonse Halimi vs Jose Becerra
Bantamweight Championship of the World

Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California
July 8, 1959

I'll have the honor of presenting Alphonse Halimi's WBHOF induction award in a few weeks.
Damn, in a perfect world, if health and finances would would allow, the great Jose Becerra would be there too.
Of course, Becerra is already inducted, but it would be nice to have something representing Halimi's past, as we have located no relatives.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 08 Oct 2009, 15:19
by Rick Farris
A Mini Frank Baltazar Fight Film Festival . . .

That's what the members of the Golden State Boxers Association are treated to at their weekly Tuesday lunch meetings.
Today, I'm going to show some studio friends a few DVD's that Frank was so kind as to share with me.

On today's menu:

Davey Moore vs Pajarito Moreno, Hogan "Kid" Bassey vs. Moreno,Willie Pep vs. Fabela Chavez, Jose Napoles vs. Curtis Cokes I & II, Ike Williams vs. Enrique Bolanos I,
Mando Ramos vs. Frankie Crawford I, and MAndo Ramos vs. Sugar Ramos. We'll get thru as many as we can, and then finish the rest manana, and the next day.
I was wondering which I should start with? I know, it has to be Williams vs. Bolanos (the first bout Frank ever saw live).


-Rick Farris