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gobbles wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

gobbles wrote:
Dirrell will never be the same after what Abraham did to him. And he was basically a spoiler anyway.

I thought he boxed Abrahams ears off,got hit with an intentional foul shot,made a meal of it and bailed out with the win a round early!Correct me if im wrong

You're wrong. He got sparked

When?When he was on the floor?

mickey1975 wrote:I make my own mind up,and am convinced Ward and Dirrel are the best fighters in the tournament.Ward will win.And i have watched him since the Olympics,mate

disagree on dirrell , as much as i refuse to say what i think of ward yet till watching him more , dirrell on the other hand im not keen on , wether it be his style or whatever , but to me he wont be able to go in the trenches when he needs to , dirrell may reach the final if results go his way as his style may suit against certain fighters in the tournament but that doesnt make him better , i would by no means at all say dirrell is better than abraham , not in the slightest , but he beat him , think of it this way , if manchester united lost to scunthorpe , would that make scunthorpe the better team . no .

whatashambles wrote:He's moaning on the radio that it was a hometown decision. He should be glad he got a hometown decision against Dirrell or he'd be outta the tournament

kessler got a UD.

froch never even got a UD in his one.

shows how dodgy that dirrell decision was.

should be 0-2 in this tournament.

he'll soon be 1-2 when abraham gets hold of him.

Kessler can win this tournament still he fought well today. Froch did not do enough Very good fight love to see it again. The 12th round was great!

gobbles wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

gobbles wrote:
Dirrell will never be the same after what Abraham did to him. And he was basically a spoiler anyway.

I thought he boxed Abrahams ears off,got hit with an intentional foul shot,made a meal of it and bailed out with the win a round early!Correct me if im wrong

You're wrong. He got sparked

Im not too sure why people think he faked it, he was clearly winning since AA ko's people with their guard still up i think its fair to say a punch, which you could hear smack dirrell, would be lights out for almost anyone.

damianhucker1 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I make my own mind up,and am convinced Ward and Dirrel are the best fighters in the tournament.Ward will win.And i have watched him since the Olympics,mate

disagree on dirrell , as much as i refuse to say what i think of ward yet till watching him more , dirrell on the other hand im not keen on , wether it be his style or whatever , but to me he wont be able to go in the trenches when he needs to , dirrell may reach the final if results go his way as his style may suit against certain fighters in the tournament but that doesnt make him better , i would by no means at all say dirrell is better than abraham , not in the slightest , but he beat him , think of it this way , if manchester united lost to scunthorpe , would that make scunthorpe the better team . no .

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.I thought he schooled Abraham,wasnt negative at all,and this was not an "off night" for Arthur,he fights like this all the time.I also felt he beat Froch,and with a bit more self belief,would have done so convincingly.The Football analogy is ridiculous.Are you saying it was a fluke he won all those rounds at a canter?I would say,100%,his performance against Abraham makes him the better fighter

kingfinn wrote:

gobbles wrote:

mickey1975 wrote: I thought he boxed Abrahams ears off,got hit with an intentional foul shot,made a meal of it and bailed out with the win a round early!Correct me if im wrong

You're wrong. He got sparked

Im not too sure why people think he faked it, he was clearly winning since AA ko's people with their guard still up i think its fair to say a punch, which you could hear smack dirrell, would be lights out for almost anyone.

i watched it on the net and was convinced in the end after much deliberating tha he wasnt faking , but if you saw it on the clip primetime showed tonight , he looked like he barely touched him , thats one debate that will rumble on forever i hink , well never knowthe truth unfortunately

Read a few people on here saying that Froch - Abraham could go either way, but I think that you need your head examining if you can't see a very nasty knock out coming. Froch is made for Abraham, and the Armenian will knock his head right off.

Love Carl Froch -- I really do. And this fight against Kessler, which I fancied him to lose, only made me like him more. He makes some really thrilling fights, has balls of steel, and is willing to fight anyone. But I do worry for him against Abraham.

mickey1975 wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I make my own mind up,and am convinced Ward and Dirrel are the best fighters in the tournament.Ward will win.And i have watched him since the Olympics,mate

disagree on dirrell , as much as i refuse to say what i think of ward yet till watching him more , dirrell on the other hand im not keen on , wether it be his style or whatever , but to me he wont be able to go in the trenches when he needs to , dirrell may reach the final if results go his way as his style may suit against certain fighters in the tournament but that doesnt make him better , i would by no means at all say dirrell is better than abraham , not in the slightest , but he beat him , think of it this way , if manchester united lost to scunthorpe , would that make scunthorpe the better team . no .

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.I thought he schooled Abraham,wasnt negative at all,and this was not an "off night" for Arthur,he fights like this all the time.I also felt he beat Froch,and with a bit more self belief,would have done so convincingly.The Football analogy is ridiculous.Are you saying it was a fluke he won all those rounds at a canter?I would say,100%,his performance against Abraham makes him the better fighter

no not saying it was a fluke , he deserved the win , but sometimes certain styles work better against different styles , i predicted a dirrell win due to his style but id never say dirrell is better than abraham , nor is he better than froch , he has the more skills but theres more to it than that , such as heart , chin , psychology etc etc , all things i things dirrell lacks in , in my opinion hes got to prove hes better , and it takes more than one win to do that , hes gotta win at high level of opposition on a frequent basis , something the likes of froch , abraham and kessler have done a lot more of than dirrell.

Carbo wrote:Read a few people on here saying that Froch - Abraham could go either way, but I think that you need your head examining if you can't see a very nasty knock out coming. Froch is made for Abraham, and the Armenian will knock his head right off.

Love Carl Froch -- I really do. And this fight against Kessler, which I fancied him to lose, only made me like him more. He makes some really thrilling fights, has balls of steel, and is willing to fight anyone. But I do worry for him against Abraham.

Tend to agree with this...

Froch has now had 3 fights in a row were he could easily be 0-3

Pulled it out against Taylor in the last minute otherwise would have lost, I had him losing against Dirrell and looking rather poor and now against Kessler he's lost a tough but clear decison.

Carbo wrote:Read a few people on here saying that Froch - Abraham could go either way, but I think that you need your head examining if you can't see a very nasty knock out coming. Froch is made for Abraham, and the Armenian will knock his head right off.

He makes some really thrilling fights, has balls of steel, and is willing to fight anyone. But I do worry for him against Abraham.

My thoughts exactly.

damianhucker1 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:
disagree on dirrell , as much as i refuse to say what i think of ward yet till watching him more , dirrell on the other hand im not keen on , wether it be his style or whatever , but to me he wont be able to go in the trenches when he needs to , dirrell may reach the final if results go his way as his style may suit against certain fighters in the tournament but that doesnt make him better , i would by no means at all say dirrell is better than abraham , not in the slightest , but he beat him , think of it this way , if manchester united lost to scunthorpe , would that make scunthorpe the better team . no .

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.I thought he schooled Abraham,wasnt negative at all,and this was not an "off night" for Arthur,he fights like this all the time.I also felt he beat Froch,and with a bit more self belief,would have done so convincingly.The Football analogy is ridiculous.Are you saying it was a fluke he won all those rounds at a canter?I would say,100%,his performance against Abraham makes him the better fighter

no not saying it was a fluke , he deserved the win , but sometimes certain styles work better against different styles , i predicted a dirrell win due to his style but id never say dirrell is better than abraham , nor is he better than froch , he has the more skills but theres more to it than that , such as heart , chin , psychology etc etc , all things i things dirrell lacks in , in my opinion hes got to prove hes better , and it takes more than one win to do that , hes gotta win at high level of opposition on a frequent basis , something the likes of froch , abraham and kessler have done a lot more of than dirrell.

Agreed Styles make fights, AA was always going to struggle against a fighter like dirrell. I though he would get the ko though, and in my defence he did of sorts.

Can Dirrell beat ward and can he beat an on form Kessler.

Carbo wrote:Read a few people on here saying that Froch - Abraham could go either way, but I think that you need your head examining if you can't see a very nasty knock out coming. Froch is made for Abraham, and the Armenian will knock his head right off.

Love Carl Froch -- I really do. And this fight against Kessler, which I fancied him to lose, only made me like him more. He makes some really thrilling fights, has balls of steel, and is willing to fight anyone. But I do worry for him against Abraham.

i can see what your saying , but ive just got a suspicion of abraham not being the same fighter at supermiddle and also he might think he needs to change a bit after what dirrell did as it was easy to see imo that he had the style to beat him , common sense says an abraham win , but ive got a feeling in my bones plus its probably in nottingham , so AA wil need to do more than his peek-a-boo , will be an good fight regardless as both guys might need the win to avoid elimination

kingfinn wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote: We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.I thought he schooled Abraham,wasnt negative at all,and this was not an "off night" for Arthur,he fights like this all the time.I also felt he beat Froch,and with a bit more self belief,would have done so convincingly.The Football analogy is ridiculous.Are you saying it was a fluke he won all those rounds at a canter?I would say,100%,his performance against Abraham makes him the better fighter

no not saying it was a fluke , he deserved the win , but sometimes certain styles work better against different styles , i predicted a dirrell win due to his style but id never say dirrell is better than abraham , nor is he better than froch , he has the more skills but theres more to it than that , such as heart , chin , psychology etc etc , all things i things dirrell lacks in , in my opinion hes got to prove hes better , and it takes more than one win to do that , hes gotta win at high level of opposition on a frequent basis , something the likes of froch , abraham and kessler have done a lot more of than dirrell.

Agreed Styles make fights, AA was always going to struggle against a fighter like dirrell. I though he would get the ko though, and in my defence he did of sorts.

Can Dirrell beat ward and can he beat an on form Kessler.

he can beat kessler by moving sideways , something froch didnt do , i think that will be a closer fight than some might think but think kessler would eventually knock him out

It was a great fight with both men giving it their all. The biggest fight in Danish history and it delivered in spades. Certainly the best fight of the tournament and despite losing, Froch looked better than he'd done in a while, slipping shots and taking the play away.

I thought Froch landed the more damaging shots, but Kessler stuck with it through thick and thin, pressing forward and wanting it.

There seemed a point midway where Froch rocked Kessler and felt he was the boss in there, Kessler returned to his corner and got a bollocking from Montoya - and whilst he didn't change anything he still grinded forward trying to land and with the packed MCH behind him, the difficult rounds to score went his way. I think if Froch didn't get him reeling a bit, he'd have had more urgency and determination.

Froch seemed fresher at the end, but perhaps that's the reason he lost his title tonight, perhaps he should have let it hang out more. Carl for me looked the better fighter in there, but Kessler seemed just seemed so more determined and busier.

Whilst I could see it going either way, I felt that when the scores would be read out that Kessler coming forward, the crowd etc would swing it in his favour and it did.

The Italian judge reflected the fight best. Tilleman, as predicted was a complete and utter joker.

I don't think it was controversial. I do think it was a cracking fight.

G0mez wrote: Certainly the best fight of the tournament and despite losing, Froch looked better than he'd done in a while, slipping shots and taking the play away.

as much of a froch fan as i am , i think froch was poor tonight , too many wild swings , too lazy on the jab , and didnt seem to sense he was losing so failed to step it up a level that was required , the froch that fought tonight would not have stopped taylor and would have been beaten by pascal , hes not performed in the super 6 so far , taking nothing away from the fight it was good to watch , i scored it closer at just 1 rd to kessler , but froch needs to buck his ideas up , and fast

kingfinn wrote:

MrBoxingUK2 wrote:114-114 same way i scored froch-dirrell

you can tell ur from nottingham with that scorecard.

It was a joke weiner!

G0mez wrote:It was a great fight with both men giving it their all. The biggest fight in Danish history and it delivered in spades. Certainly the best fight of the tournament and despite losing, Froch looked better than he'd done in a while, slipping shots and taking the play away.

I thought Froch landed the more damaging shots, but Kessler stuck with it through thick and thin, pressing forward and wanting it.

There seemed a point midway where Froch rocked Kessler and felt he was the boss in there, Kessler returned to his corner and got a bollocking from Montoya - and whilst he didn't change anything he still grinded forward trying to land and with the packed MCH behind him, the difficult rounds to score went his way. I think if Froch didn't get him reeling a bit, he'd have had more urgency and determination.

Froch seemed fresher at the end, but perhaps that's the reason he lost his title tonight, perhaps he should have let it hang out more. Carl for me looked the better fighter in there, but Kessler seemed just seemed so more determined and busier.

Whilst I could see it going either way, I felt that when the scores would be read out that Kessler coming forward, the crowd etc would swing it in his favour and it did.

The Italian judge reflected the fight best. Tilleman, as predicted was a complete and utter joker.

I don't think it was controversial. I do think it was a cracking fight.

I would have thought Calzaghe v Kessler was the biggest fight in danish history.

kingfinn wrote:

G0mez wrote:It was a great fight with both men giving it their all. The biggest fight in Danish history and it delivered in spades. Certainly the best fight of the tournament and despite losing, Froch looked better than he'd done in a while, slipping shots and taking the play away.

I thought Froch landed the more damaging shots, but Kessler stuck with it through thick and thin, pressing forward and wanting it.

There seemed a point midway where Froch rocked Kessler and felt he was the boss in there, Kessler returned to his corner and got a bollocking from Montoya - and whilst he didn't change anything he still grinded forward trying to land and with the packed MCH behind him, the difficult rounds to score went his way. I think if Froch didn't get him reeling a bit, he'd have had more urgency and determination.

Froch seemed fresher at the end, but perhaps that's the reason he lost his title tonight, perhaps he should have let it hang out more. Carl for me looked the better fighter in there, but Kessler seemed just seemed so more determined and busier.

Whilst I could see it going either way, I felt that when the scores would be read out that Kessler coming forward, the crowd etc would swing it in his favour and it did.

The Italian judge reflected the fight best. Tilleman, as predicted was a complete and utter joker.

I don't think it was controversial. I do think it was a cracking fight.

I would have thought Calzaghe v Kessler was the biggest fight in danish history.

that was in wales

damianhucker1 wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

G0mez wrote:It was a great fight with both men giving it their all. The biggest fight in Danish history and it delivered in spades. Certainly the best fight of the tournament and despite losing, Froch looked better than he'd done in a while, slipping shots and taking the play away.

I thought Froch landed the more damaging shots, but Kessler stuck with it through thick and thin, pressing forward and wanting it.

There seemed a point midway where Froch rocked Kessler and felt he was the boss in there, Kessler returned to his corner and got a bollocking from Montoya - and whilst he didn't change anything he still grinded forward trying to land and with the packed MCH behind him, the difficult rounds to score went his way. I think if Froch didn't get him reeling a bit, he'd have had more urgency and determination.

Froch seemed fresher at the end, but perhaps that's the reason he lost his title tonight, perhaps he should have let it hang out more. Carl for me looked the better fighter in there, but Kessler seemed just seemed so more determined and busier.

Whilst I could see it going either way, I felt that when the scores would be read out that Kessler coming forward, the crowd etc would swing it in his favour and it did.

The Italian judge reflected the fight best. Tilleman, as predicted was a complete and utter joker.

I don't think it was controversial. I do think it was a cracking fight.

I would have thought Calzaghe v Kessler was the biggest fight in danish history.

that was in wales

Ah i get ya

The scores from the (danish) pressrow was all in favour of Kessler (except one) and most people had it around 9-3 in rounds. We had it 8-4. The was a couple of brit press people where we sat and they had 8-4 when we spoke to them. At the press conference they suddenly had froch winning.

Freiheit wrote:The scores from the (danish) pressrow was all in favour of Kessler (except one) and most people had it around 9-3 in rounds. We had it 8-4. The was a couple of brit press people where we sat and they had 8-4 when we spoke to them. At the press conference they suddenly had froch winning.

And what's your take on that crooked bastard Tilleman ?

He is only 1 round from my scorecard so I dont think he is has crooked. We had on the the Froch rounds that might have gone to Kessler (and a Kessler round that could have gone to Froch) other than that we found it pretty easy to score.

I am a Froch fan, but have no problem with anybody scoring this fight 9-3 or 8-4 in rounds to Kessler. Froch didn't fight with any sense of urgency. He says he doesn't study his opponents beforehand and prefers to work them out in the ring. You can't do that at this level. I could barely listen afterwards when Froch said in his interview that some people will say it was a robbery. Very clear win for Kessler, regardless of where the fight took place.

Next up is Abraham. Who is the biggest star? Carl in the UK or Abraham in Germany? Both fighters have had their second fight away from home and both lost. I can imagine AAs team will be keen to secure home advantage and without CFs title as a bargaining tool, I can see this fight happening in Germany, which would be very bad news.

froch v abraham should be at neutral venue , to ensure theres no controversy , but cant see it happening , in both uk and germany theres a chance of one getting robbed , but of course as a froch fan id prefer it to be in nottingham .
i had kessler by a round but the closer rounds will have been swayed by the crowd , i agree with froch when he said if it was in nottingham hed have won , and i dont think it would seem like kessler was robbed , but it would have been the wrong decision , froch didnt do enough for me .