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Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:06
by The_Don1
I had it 118-111 Chisora, even if you could argue that score was too wide, Chisora was robbed tonight, as I knew he would be when it went to the judges

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:06
by loaded_gloves
What a rip off. Never fight a man in his hometown. Especially if you're not a big one punch hitter.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:06
by Terrrrry
Daylight robbery.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:07
by john welsh
Iv never seen anyone get beat up and win?

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:07
by taffytoon
Dioufy wrote:
taffytoon wrote:Pay the tenner FFS :shame: You all go on about how you would love a dedicated boxing channel and then when you get one don't support it.
LOL - say that when you're watching 4 shitty domestic bills a month, plus 2 or 3 Manfredo/Chavez-type cards.
I will and will no no problem with it, nice to see another SO CALLED FAN :shame:

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:07
by fightfaninfrance
Jesus. Ive had a bottle of wine but I think Chisora got robbed there. Helenius looked messy. He landed but showed little workrate.

Stuffy. I didnt even see it as that close.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:08
by Kilburn
GreedyG wrote:Another bullshit decision. No wonder people are going to MMA.
It's a good point. When is a MMA fight EVER spoilt by stupid scoring.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:08
by whatashambles
john welsh wrote:Iv never seen anyone get beat up and win?
Didn't see the Pacquiao fight then?

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:08
by willardx
Great fight. Del boy done him self proud. If the tables were turned and it was an Allegedly card the same thing would happen and the home fighter would win.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:09
by taffytoon
The_Don1 wrote:I had it 118-111 Chisora, even if you could argue that score was too wide, Chisora was robbed tonight, as I knew he would be when it went to the judges
Hahaha hahaha 118-111 :o Chisora won but no way by that margin, I hope you never have a dig at any refs scoring in the future

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:09
by steve689
I don't think Reid beat up Ottke, it was a close boxing match but anyway...

I think Bunce hit the nail on the head. The ref just intervened every time to break up Chisora's rhythm. It was timed and calculated.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:09
by cinderey7
every week i see a BS decision, why do i bother watching fights when i know one guy needs a knockout to win. chisora was never going to win on points. same as murray last night

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:10
by punchers chance
that was an absolute stinker of a decision. Chis won that clearly. how could you find 7 rounds for Helenius?

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:10
by TheCobra
Finland is just like Germany, I realised that when I went out to watch Froch in Helsinki, Sauerland are absolute conmen. BUT, I must say I did fill my boots on betfair with this, in Round 9 once I felt that Helenius wasn't gona get KO'd I knew he'd get the decision, the odds were pretty good so I've won a wodge on Helenius wiining! Still gutted for Chisora but you have to accept these things in this sport we love so much, which is a big shame.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:12
by steve689
Finland, Germany, whatever...Sauerland is the common demoninator.

Ooh wait Frank's on the phone ...shhhh.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:16
by john welsh
GreedyG wrote:
john welsh wrote:Iv never seen anyone get beat up and win?
Sven Ottke vs Robin Reid.
Oh yeah,that was really bad.

and pac man was as the other guy said

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:17
by steve689
To be honest, even though I thought Reid won, I've seen plenty worse than Reid-Ottke. I think it was the performance of the referee Roger Tilleman in the early rounds that coloured the overall picture of the fight.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:19
by exittored
I didn't think it was a 'Robbery' as 115-113 x 3 split decision dosen't indicate that.

Alot of Chisora's punches were also being blocked and Helenius did clearly win that last rd.

Either way Chisora was brilliant and his stock definately went up and Roberts went down.

Helenius would destroy him in a rematch though considering he broke his right hand in the 1st round.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:22
by steve689
Yeha I suppose he fought well considering he busted his hand in the opener. I would be inclined to believe him too because his punches clearly did not have the same snap as his record and previous fights would suggest.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:26
by exittored
steve689 wrote:Yeha I suppose he fought well considering he busted his hand in the opener. I would be inclined to believe him too because his punches clearly did not have the same snap as his record and previous fights would suggest.
Helenius is a honest bloke and i could tell the way he was throwing the right hand after rd 1 that there was definately something wrong with it so not surprised to hear him confirm it.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 19:35
by Camcas
exittored wrote:
steve689 wrote:Yeha I suppose he fought well considering he busted his hand in the opener. I would be inclined to believe him too because his punches clearly did not have the same snap as his record and previous fights would suggest.
Helenius is a honest bloke and i could tell the way he was throwing the right hand after rd 1 that there was definately something wrong with it so not surprised to hear him confirm it.
Or he had no power against a fighter with a decent chin

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 20:35
by reggaereggae
john welsh wrote:Iv never seen anyone get beat up and win?
You have obviously not been watching boxing for long! Lol

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 20:54
by loaded_gloves
exittored wrote:Helenius would destroy him in a rematch though considering he broke his right hand in the 1st round.
Hang on - has this been confirmed? Sounded like an excuse to me.

Re: Chirosa v helenius live on ARD Saturday night

Posted: 03 Dec 2011, 21:32
by gasman
Just back from the fight. Chisora exposed Helenius tonight and he got robbed by the judges. Disgraceful scoring. I had Del boy by 4, I spoke to a Finnish reporter who had Chisora by 2 and he said that he had been generous with two of the rounds he gave to Helenius in his scoring.

At the post-fight presser, Helenius said he hurt his hand early in the fight. I thought Francis Warren spoke very well at the post fight presser, and I agree with him - Chisora got robbed and there should be an immediate rematch. Don Charles was furious and said that the scoring is killing boxing. Chisora was very pissed off too and used a little bit of industrial language to emphasis his point.

Also, at the post-fight presser - Huck challenged Povetkin for a shot at his title. Team Povetkin said they would be happy to oblige and Atlas said he would do it next week.

Great crowd tonight, 12,000 people. But they only made noise in the first and final round - that told its own story.