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oliverfennell wrote:
Haye-Chisora isn't an EBF bout. It's an odd situation in that a foreign country is sanctioning elsewhere, but it is a legit, legal and recognised sanctioning country nevertheless.

whicker wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:
Haye-Chisora isn't an EBF bout. It's an odd situation in that a foreign country is sanctioning elsewhere, but it is a legit, legal and recognised sanctioning country nevertheless.

What makes a "sanctioning country" "legit," or "legal" exactly? And recognised by whom?

The answer is- very little. As far as I know, there is no international law governing who can and can't sanction boxing matches- give that IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL TO HAVE A BOXING MATCH. For sure, some countries do ban the sport- thats different. Likewise, a court does have the power to prohibit someone from staging fights, or taking part in them under certain circumstances.

But there is no law whatsoever in the UK that says that boxing must be regulated by the BBBoC, or that the EBF is "unlawful."

It is only standards and repuation that make an organisation "legit."

johnswan1 wrote:On the subject of PEDs, maybe Larry or somebody else can help with this.

I work out with Kettlebells for an hour 3 times weekly. I'd love to be able to increase this to 4-5 times weekly but am not physically able to work out on two consecutive days as I need a day off to recover after each session.

At the moment I'm only taking Whey Protein on the days that I train (within half hour before/after training).

Can somebody suggest some non illegal PEDs I could take to speed up recovery which would not be detrimental to my overall health?

palooka wrote:You have a fair point there Mugabi; the problem is that steroids taken for medical reasons are generally taken orally (tablet, capsule or liquid). Many of the problems formally treated by steroids are now treated by drugs with fewer side effects. One of the problems with steroid mis-use is that the drug is injected directly into the muscle; this can and does lead to many problems both due to the injecting process itself and the substance injected.

ArtOfWar wrote:

palooka wrote:You have a fair point there Mugabi; the problem is that steroids taken for medical reasons are generally taken orally (tablet, capsule or liquid). Many of the problems formally treated by steroids are now treated by drugs with fewer side effects. One of the problems with steroid mis-use is that the drug is injected directly into the muscle; this can and does lead to many problems both due to the injecting process itself and the substance injected.

Injected steroids are safer if taken properly, because they don't have to pass through the liver.

mugabi wrote:
You could take a very mild steroid and u will recover like crazy and have ZERO side effects

johnswan1 wrote:

mugabi wrote:
You could take a very mild steroid and u will recover like crazy and have ZERO side effects

That's exactly what I'm looking for. What is the name of it and where can I get it? I would much rather not have something I need to inject.

palooka wrote:

johnswan1 wrote:

mugabi wrote:
You could take a very mild steroid and u will recover like crazy and have ZERO side effects

That's exactly what I'm looking for. What is the name of it and where can I get it? I would much rather not have something I need to inject.

A fuckin ridiculous and dangerous assertion; everything that you ingest or inject will have desired and predictable effects and WILL have an opposite effect that is unwanted, unbeneficial or harmful to the bodily system. There is no panacea / magic potion; use your common sense or at least use your head before you ruin your health.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:The stopping his ability to earn a living is a strange way of looking at things, the BBBC don't owe a fighter a living. Would you say a 33 year old footballer who can't find a club to sign him for the next season is being denied his ability to earn a living?

taffytoon wrote:[quote="mugabi"


You are the joke on this matter Mug, by the way I have corrected the spelling mistakes and grammar on your post to such an extent that I could at least understand what you had said, I now wish I hadn't as it is utter tosh. To use words like Man, Integrity and honourable about a drug cheat is absolutely laughable.

palooka wrote:

ArtOfWar wrote:

palooka wrote:You have a fair point there Mugabi; the problem is that steroids taken for medical reasons are generally taken orally (tablet, capsule or liquid). Many of the problems formally treated by steroids are now treated by drugs with fewer side effects. One of the problems with steroid mis-use is that the drug is injected directly into the muscle; this can and does lead to many problems both due to the injecting process itself and the substance injected.

Injected steroids are safer if taken properly, because they don't have to pass through the liver.

Of course they pass through the liver; it's called first pass metabolism; the steroid will sit in the muscle and then be taken by the capillaries, away from the muscle and to the veins - then to the heart - to the lungs (where some will be expelled/excreted) and then to the liver; similar to when someone injects another form of illicit drug, though most illicit drugs are dug in a vein. The liver breaks own the steroid (metabolises it) and then begins the process of elimination.

Did you imagine that the steroid stays in the muscle and does it's magic?

Any injection is unsafe unless given by a trained professional; there are so many variables, contingencies, possible infections and complications that injecting anything into your veins/muscle is a risky business.

A muscle is not 'made/designed' to contend with 10ml of steroid fluid injected into it. If you imagine that injecting steroid is risk free/easy or safe then visit your local needle exchange where you may learn a little bit more; maybe enough to put you off the idea.....

palooka wrote:The only thing that is "effing ridiculous" is you talking out of your arse. You clearly do not know anything about steroids their origin in laborotories and have clearly not bothered to read anything I wrote before you decided to flap your gyms and talk shit. You are so ignorant it defies belief, I know men at a gym in their 50s and 60s who continue to take controlled sensible occasional cycles of steroids and their health and look is I wager far better than yours. Ask me and Ill PM you the address of the said gym in west london and ill be happy to introduce you to these very guys to disprove your silly thinking.

Thanks for the offer mugabi but I work full time and do a voluntary stint at a needle exchange in Doncaster every Wednesday; if you PM me I'll send you the number so you can talk to a full time worker who is at the sharp end, dealing with the problems that arise when steroid use goes wrong.I don't try to talk out of my arse and appreciate that there are people that know more about steroid use than me. I do see lots of young men come in for needles, swabs and bins etc and have had some training about steroid use and the harmful effects they can have + the harm that can be brought about by poor injecting technique.

I'm not that sure that given your insults that you'd be in a position to call me ignorant. If you are encouraging someone to do something; at the very least potentially harmful; then you ought to half a little think about it all; there are harmful side effects associated with steroid mis use.

There are people who look fantastic in their 50's and 60's who train and use steroids; the same people would look good training without using steroids. + I don't look too bad for my age and am not right keen on the muscle bound look in any case. Another aspect is that many users still feel 'small' when they train heavily and use steroid/growth hormone regularly; they don't stop. There are people who are using for years and though they cycle their use ARE putting added stress on their liver, kidneys, heart and endocrine system. There are any number of young men with fantastic physiques with wrecked organs who drop dead long before their time.

I can see from your posts that you feel that using steroids when training is a good thing to do and you advocate it. I'll not waste my time attempting to disuade you otherwise but do me a favour and drop the personal insults; you fly off the handle as I've a different view on it to you; I think that's a bit silly really.

mugabi wrote:Well John the solution to your problem is steroids.......because for you to think steroids will give you those problems per se, shows just how much ignorance and lack of knowledge there is about steroids and steroid use in the media and amongst even some ordinary people working out in the gym

For one thing , all steroids were developed in laborotories and medical facilities to help patients who are for example , wasting, ill, thin, etc.

When taken in the recommended low dosages steroids can be a remarkably beneficial things.

Again you have to distinguish between different steroids and not tar them all with the same brush.The problem with those issues u mentioned (hairloss, small dick, bitch tits etc) all come about when bodybuilders abuse steroids or use them incorrectly etc without the proper medical advice or guidance.

You could take a very mild steroid and u will recover like crazy and have ZERO side effects

mugabi wrote:Lol I couldnt be bothered to read the sermon! But I do admire your abilities to shuffle the full time job and the volunteering at the needle exchange in Doncaster with all the time you seem to spend on here! Thats my last word

taffytoon wrote:Mug is living proof that Snow White and Dopey did have a love child.

Mug if you hear a knocking noise it it your brain trying to get back in.