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palooka wrote:It is very unusual and is very notable; Luke is a great boxer and will adapt in time - some of the others you mentioned are all time greats, Campbell would do really well to get mentioned int he same breath as a pro, (no knock on the lad).

Yeah but im talking about Campbell fighting better opposition that journeyman vs Rigo and co fighting world class opposition. It's not quite the same thing.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:

rossij8 wrote:Mitchell would have Coyle for breakfast

Agreed.

Mitchell's experience and power dominates Coyle easily.

With ease

Mitchell should be matched with Crolla as it is.

palooka wrote:It is very unusual and is very notable; Luke is a great boxer and will adapt in time - some of the others you mentioned are all time greats, Campbell would do really well to get mentioned int he same breath as a pro, (no knock on the lad).

It's not that unusual to see TOP fighters fighting 10 rounders in their first 8, I could reel off...10-20 ACTIVE fighters without Olympics medals who are fighting in title fights by then. Not all are ATG's, for example our very own Paul Weir. It's rare in the west but we over-protect out prospects way too much.

columbo wrote:

palooka wrote:It is very unusual and is very notable; Luke is a great boxer and will adapt in time - some of the others you mentioned are all time greats, Campbell would do really well to get mentioned int he same breath as a pro, (no knock on the lad).

Yeah but im talking about Campbell fighting better opposition that journeyman vs Rigo and co fighting world class opposition. It's not quite the same thing.

Fair do's, |Luke would cope with a real jump up the league and would probably be more devastating with someone leading off more rather than being in their shell. Campbell is a very good boxer and a full time pro - that makes him top 10 domestic.

columbo wrote: How many brits in the last 30 years have had Campbell's amateur credentials?

Those amateur credentials don't mean your ready and hardened to go 12 rounds against people who have been professionals for 5 years+

If you want to use that argument lets go and look at Ali, Lewis, Tyson etc etc and look at who they fought in their 5th fight. Even James Degale and Frankie Gavin fought cans in their first 5 fights. There's nothing to suggest Campbell can't step up to British title by say his 10th fight. Which is realistic. Sitting and tutting at a guy in his first 5 or 6 fights, even if he is an Olympic champ, is ridiculous in my opinion.

columbo wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:

rossij8 wrote:Mitchell would have Coyle for breakfast

Agreed.

Mitchell's experience and power dominates Coyle easily.

With ease

Mitchell should be matched with Crolla as it is.

Not with ease. Kevin "I've fell out of love with the business and now I love it again" Mitchell is a delicate chappy. I don't think he has the mentality for it anymore

jameswilson wrote:

columbo wrote: How many brits in the last 30 years have had Campbell's amateur credentials?

Those amateur credentials don't mean your ready and hardened to go 12 rounds against people who have been professionals for 5 years+

If you want to use that argument lets go and look at Ali, Lewis, Tyson etc etc and look at who they fought in their 5th fight. Even James Degale and Frankie Gavin fought cans in their first 5 fights. There's nothing to suggest Campbell can't step up to British title by say his 10th fight. Which is realistic. Sitting and tutting at a guy in his first 5 or 6 fights, even if he is an Olympic champ, is ridiculous in my opinion.

Well if he does get moved up then fair enough. However Eddie's idea seems to be having him fight every month or two against people who havent got a hope in hell.

The likes of Coyle and Crolla shouldnt be figthing in international fights/ eliminators. They're clearly domestic level fighters.

You can bet if that was Brizuela the ref would of called the fight off.

columbo wrote:

jameswilson wrote:

columbo wrote: How many brits in the last 30 years have had Campbell's amateur credentials?

Those amateur credentials don't mean your ready and hardened to go 12 rounds against people who have been professionals for 5 years+

If you want to use that argument lets go and look at Ali, Lewis, Tyson etc etc and look at who they fought in their 5th fight. Even James Degale and Frankie Gavin fought cans in their first 5 fights. There's nothing to suggest Campbell can't step up to British title by say his 10th fight. Which is realistic. Sitting and tutting at a guy in his first 5 or 6 fights, even if he is an Olympic champ, is ridiculous in my opinion.

Well if he does get moved up then fair enough. However Eddie's idea seems to be having him fight every month or two against people who havent got a hope in hell.

Boxers have been doing this for years, do you ever stop and wonder why?

columbo wrote:

jameswilson wrote:

columbo wrote: How many brits in the last 30 years have had Campbell's amateur credentials?

Those amateur credentials don't mean your ready and hardened to go 12 rounds against people who have been professionals for 5 years+

If you want to use that argument lets go and look at Ali, Lewis, Tyson etc etc and look at who they fought in their 5th fight. Even James Degale and Frankie Gavin fought cans in their first 5 fights. There's nothing to suggest Campbell can't step up to British title by say his 10th fight. Which is realistic. Sitting and tutting at a guy in his first 5 or 6 fights, even if he is an Olympic champ, is ridiculous in my opinion.

Well if he does get moved up then fair enough. However Eddie's idea seems to be having him fight every month or two against people who havent got a hope in hell.

Just because he has done that so far (their first 5 or 6 fights) doesn't mean that's going to be the case past their first 10 fights tho.

If Campbell fights for an English title or the equivalent in say his 8th,9th or 10th fight you'll say fair play?

I take it back.

Coyle beats Mitchell easily.

With ease.

SNG wrote:

columbo wrote:

jameswilson wrote:
Those amateur credentials don't mean your ready and hardened to go 12 rounds against people who have been professionals for 5 years+

If you want to use that argument lets go and look at Ali, Lewis, Tyson etc etc and look at who they fought in their 5th fight. Even James Degale and Frankie Gavin fought cans in their first 5 fights. There's nothing to suggest Campbell can't step up to British title by say his 10th fight. Which is realistic. Sitting and tutting at a guy in his first 5 or 6 fights, even if he is an Olympic champ, is ridiculous in my opinion.

Well if he does get moved up then fair enough. However Eddie's idea seems to be having him fight every month or two against people who havent got a hope in hell.

Boxers have been doing this for years, do you ever stop and wonder why?

Yeah because promoters like protecting their investment.

Coyle has fantastic heart

jameswilson wrote:

columbo wrote:

jameswilson wrote:
Those amateur credentials don't mean your ready and hardened to go 12 rounds against people who have been professionals for 5 years+

If you want to use that argument lets go and look at Ali, Lewis, Tyson etc etc and look at who they fought in their 5th fight. Even James Degale and Frankie Gavin fought cans in their first 5 fights. There's nothing to suggest Campbell can't step up to British title by say his 10th fight. Which is realistic. Sitting and tutting at a guy in his first 5 or 6 fights, even if he is an Olympic champ, is ridiculous in my opinion.

Well if he does get moved up then fair enough. However Eddie's idea seems to be having him fight every month or two against people who havent got a hope in hell.

Just because he has done that so far (their first 5 or 6 fights) doesn't mean that's going to be the case past their first 10 fights tho.

If Campbell fights for an English title or the equivalent in say his 8th,9th or 10th fight you'll say fair play?

I said if he did yeah

I'd be interested to know how much notice Brizuela had for this fight.

columbo wrote: I said if he did yeah

Fair enough mate.

You hit the nail on the head further up when you said promoters protect their investment. They all do it.

jameswilson wrote:

columbo wrote: I said if he did yeah

Fair enough mate.

You hit the nail on the head further up when you said promoters protect their investment. They all do it.

It wasnt purely aimed at Eddie. As a boxing fan though I get sick of seeing complete mismatches. I'm not expecting them to be put in with even the best domestic level operators straight away but they can do better some of the guys that you see guys matched with now.

SNG wrote:
Boxers have been doing this for years, do you ever stop and wonder why?

In other countries boxer have been raced to world titles often within 20 fights. Ever thought "maybe the western way isn't the best?"

Cue premature stoppage

Boxing Prospect wrote:

SNG wrote:
Boxers have been doing this for years, do you ever stop and wonder why?

In other countries boxer have been raced to world titles often within 20 fights. Ever thought "maybe the western way isn't the best?"

Yes, often

Watt only has it by a round?!

It's a cracking and exciting fight. I said at the very start a marathon not a sprint!!!

Coyle has tremendous heart............

Jim Watt obviously has not been punched in the nuts!! Senile