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Blodhemn wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Fundamentally, Fury is lacking when compared to AJ. Fury used his size and backward movement to outpoint Wlad. Had he not had a size advantage, I highly doubt he would have had the same success. AJ does not share the same physical advantages as Fury, so he had a different game plan. In no way do I believe that Fury is better fundamentally than either of the men that fought tonight. When physical attributes used the right way are employed, they produce winning results. Fury's performance against Wlad, and Wlad's that fight, will lend to one of the dullest HW fights in history. This fight was one fo the best in a very very long time.

Fury was not there to KO Wlad, he was there to outpoint him. AJ was there for the stoppage. Risk opens up opportunities. Fury risked very little.

Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

Ossyrules wrote:Very good fight

Wlad was the boxer in there, better drilled boxer with the fundamentals.

It was smart boxing from Joshua to come out firing in 5 as Wlad had started 2, 3 and 4 quick looking for an early straight right. Joshua met him full on. When he had Wlad hurt I thought he'd see him off, but he tired badly and huge credit to Wlad to not only get up but finish the round stronger. As per the Whyte fight while on top he got buzzed by the left hook and it really set him back

In 6 I thought Joshua was a right hand away from being beat. Heavy shot to put him down and Joshua was all at sea. Wlad had a big chance to win the fight in 6, 7 and possibly 8 while Joshua was mainly refuelling.

Late Joshua had his legs back and Wlad was close to seeing the job home. Huge uppercut won the fight. Reminiscent of Lewis vs Vitali. Really rocked Wlad. A lot of the time Wlad is so much physically greater that when close up there's nothing they can do about being held but Joshua is as physically strong and more and it was a wicked heavy shot.

No problems with the stoppage, Wlad was out of there. I feel sorry for Wlad he fought a great fight. His boxing display didn't deserve the defeat but I can't take it away from Joshua hanging in there.

Wlad like his brother gets more credit in a defeat than any of his wins

Freedom2013 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Absolutely nothing was landing in the attack which caused the stoppage. Klitchko was reacting and blocking punches. Total bullsh!t stoppage.

I agree, nothing landed, he wasn't hurt at that time. He fully recovered from when he was hurt by an earlier knockdown.

The ref was on Joshua's side throughout the fight.

crusader wrote:All this 'Fury sucks and can't box at all' stuff is laughable

lazboy wrote:

crusader wrote:All this 'Fury sucks and can't box at all' stuff is laughable

It's a fuking joke how ppl underrate Fury. He's super slick, fast and smooth, he does things AJs body could never let him do. Listen great fight tonight and respect to both. The hype surrounding AJ is a bit much though. The theatrics are a bit much (celebrating podium with flames before the fight). Fury will give AJ all sorts of problems.

ValMar wrote:

lazboy wrote:

crusader wrote:All this 'Fury sucks and can't box at all' stuff is laughable

It's a fuking joke how ppl underrate Fury. He's super slick, fast and smooth, he does things AJs body could never let him do. Listen great fight tonight and respect to both. The hype surrounding AJ is a bit much though. The theatrics are a bit much (celebrating podium with flames before the fight). Fury will give AJ all sorts of problems.

Joshua's one punch power would be too much for Fury (I remember Pajkić and Cunningham dropped him). Of course, I would like to see Fury's comeback.

lazboy wrote:

ValMar wrote:

lazboy wrote:
It's a fuking joke how ppl underrate Fury. He's super slick, fast and smooth, he does things AJs body could never let him do. Listen great fight tonight and respect to both. The hype surrounding AJ is a bit much though. The theatrics are a bit much (celebrating podium with flames before the fight). Fury will give AJ all sorts of problems.

Joshua's one punch power would be too much for Fury (I remember Pajkić and Cunningham dropped him). Of course, I would like to see Fury's comeback.

AJ needs to find him first. But yes...this is an argument for another day. As it stands AJ is the best heavyweight in the world. He beats wilder, Parker, Ortiz..... If Fury has a comeback fight and looks good, I'll reconsider. Regardless.....this was and is good for boxing.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

MachoTime wrote:Is there a point in having a rematch?

NO! Wlad isn't getting any younger or better. A rematch would be even worse for him.

RScarf1 wrote:Wlad was better and more prepared against Joshua than against Fury. Fury would not have beaten the Wlad who fought Joshua.

manchester-mexican wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:

manchester-mexican wrote:Great fight, great win, right stoppage, AJ still a kid ffs, anyone critical of him needs to feck away off from watching boxing, he fought HOF in front of 90,000 in a world title fight n all the pressure that brings, Well done AJ n Klitschko

Only in the UK was this a good stoppage. Joshua is a hype job at this point. Going life and death with an ancient Klitschko does nothing to suggest he'll be at the top much longer.

klitchko was down twice n not throwing back, did you want to see him take a damaging blow before ref stopped it?? Funny he never questioned the stoppage

crusader wrote:All this 'Fury sucks and can't box at all' stuff is laughable. Compared to AJ, he moves like Ali...

No doubt that AJ has the power to take him out with the right shots, though I doubt they'll ever fight, and I doubt Fury will ever be at his peak again.

Blodhemn wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Fundamentally, Fury is lacking when compared to AJ. Fury used his size and backward movement to outpoint Wlad. Had he not had a size advantage, I highly doubt he would have had the same success. AJ does not share the same physical advantages as Fury, so he had a different game plan. In no way do I believe that Fury is better fundamentally than either of the men that fought tonight. When physical attributes used the right way are employed, they produce winning results. Fury's performance against Wlad, and Wlad's that fight, will lend to one of the dullest HW fights in history. This fight was one fo the best in a very very long time.

Fury was not there to KO Wlad, he was there to outpoint him. AJ was there for the stoppage. Risk opens up opportunities. Fury risked very little.

Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Blodhemn wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Fundamentally, Fury is lacking when compared to AJ. Fury used his size and backward movement to outpoint Wlad. Had he not had a size advantage, I highly doubt he would have had the same success. AJ does not share the same physical advantages as Fury, so he had a different game plan. In no way do I believe that Fury is better fundamentally than either of the men that fought tonight. When physical attributes used the right way are employed, they produce winning results. Fury's performance against Wlad, and Wlad's that fight, will lend to one of the dullest HW fights in history. This fight was one fo the best in a very very long time.

Fury was not there to KO Wlad, he was there to outpoint him. AJ was there for the stoppage. Risk opens up opportunities. Fury risked very little.

Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

Well, the way Fury did it wasn't.

Joshua is more fundamentally sound than Fury could ever dream of being. I remember Fury being aggressive towards one Steve Cunningham, and getting floored. He had to resort to laying on him to get the job done. Sure, there are ways to winning a fight. Some are considered good boxing, some not. What we saw tonight was a good display of high level HW boxing. What we saw Fury do was use his longer reach to give himself room to run away for the next long jab. It's worrisome that some of you observe what he did that night as an example of great boxing and sound fundamentals. But, whatever...

lazboy wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Blodhemn wrote: Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

Well, the way Fury did it wasn't.

Joshua is more fundamentally sound than Fury could ever dream of being. I remember Fury being aggressive towards one Steve Cunningham, and getting floored. He had to resort to laying on him to get the job done. Sure, there are ways to winning a fight. Some are considered good boxing, some not. What we saw tonight was a good display of high level HW boxing. What we saw Fury do was use his longer reach to give himself room to run away for the next long jab. It's worrisome that some of you observe what he did that night as an example of great boxing and sound fundamentals. But, whatever...

I can't belive you think AJ has better skills and fundamentals then Fury after his performance tonight. You need to rewatch some Fury fights. He moves his legs, his body and hands far more fluid and basically better than AJ. He's a boxer not a power puncher. Whereas AJ is a power puncher who is an ok boxer but is limited.

lazboy wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Blodhemn wrote: Only in the HW division is outpointing your opponent not seen as good boxing. Christ, what messed up logic. Joshua simply doesn't possess Fury's boxing ability, and never will.

Well, the way Fury did it wasn't.

Joshua is more fundamentally sound than Fury could ever dream of being. I remember Fury being aggressive towards one Steve Cunningham, and getting floored. He had to resort to laying on him to get the job done. Sure, there are ways to winning a fight. Some are considered good boxing, some not. What we saw tonight was a good display of high level HW boxing. What we saw Fury do was use his longer reach to give himself room to run away for the next long jab. It's worrisome that some of you observe what he did that night as an example of great boxing and sound fundamentals. But, whatever...

I can't belive you think AJ has better skills and fundamentals then Fury after his performance tonight. You need to rewatch some Fury fights. He moves his legs, his body and hands far more fluid and basically better than AJ. He's a boxer not a power puncher. Whereas AJ is a power puncher who is an ok boxer but is limited.

Impractical Poster wrote:

lazboy wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Well, the way Fury did it wasn't.

Joshua is more fundamentally sound than Fury could ever dream of being. I remember Fury being aggressive towards one Steve Cunningham, and getting floored. He had to resort to laying on him to get the job done. Sure, there are ways to winning a fight. Some are considered good boxing, some not. What we saw tonight was a good display of high level HW boxing. What we saw Fury do was use his longer reach to give himself room to run away for the next long jab. It's worrisome that some of you observe what he did that night as an example of great boxing and sound fundamentals. But, whatever...

I can't belive you think AJ has better skills and fundamentals then Fury after his performance tonight. You need to rewatch some Fury fights. He moves his legs, his body and hands far more fluid and basically better than AJ. He's a boxer not a power puncher. Whereas AJ is a power puncher who is an ok boxer but is limited.

Bro, I've seen enough of him. I know. If that's what you believe, that's fine. I'm not with you on that.

Blodhemn wrote:

manchester-mexican wrote:

Blodhemn wrote: Only in the UK was this a good stoppage. Joshua is a hype job at this point. Going life and death with an ancient Klitschko does nothing to suggest he'll be at the top much longer.

klitchko was down twice n not throwing back, did you want to see him take a damaging blow before ref stopped it?? Funny he never questioned the stoppage

Wlad wouldn't question his own mother being mugged. He's just not that kind. The stoppage was garbage. No excuse.

Ossyrules wrote:Fury fan boys and Joshua fan boys both overrate their charges. It's pretty boring reading it all all time time in these threads

- fury had a better style advantage over Wlad

- fury beat Wlad with less trouble

- Joshua fight was more exciting

Baby Face Finster wrote:Wlad's over cautiousness cost him the fight. Had he simply gone for it after AJ got up from the knockdown Wlad could have KO'd him. One more solid right hand and AJ would have been KO'd, but the ghosts of prior stamina collapses weighed down heavily on Wlad.