If Kovalev gets robbed again, I won't follow boxing anymore

[boxing_rocks]

i rewatched two of the most discussed
"robberies" of recent years. pac-bradley1
and DLH-trinidad. i agree with the critics
that both decisions were wrong, but i
vehemently disagree that they were
robberies. both were tight fights and if
you watch closely you can see how a judge
could end up with the from my perspective
wrong decision. which means there was no
robbery, because that would imply a judge
seeing it one way, but deciding to nevertheless
score in the other.

there are sneaky things happening in boxing,
no doubt about it, but they don't happen in
plain sight with cameras running. these days
the corruption takes place with rankings, drugs
and promotion.

You can disagree, but can you use lines of normal length and capitalization?

online forums are the only place where you
would think that writing in long horizontal
lines is normal. no newspaper, no blog, no
magazine would do that. so, sir, maybe you
start writing in normal length ...

What about starting a sentence with a capital letter? Too much work? There must be a setting for that on your phone keyboard.

[SFW]

What is this Salem? The Kova butt hurt squad having a little witch hunt since all their bullshit is just laughed at now? Lol no chance these swine handle the second L better than they did the first, their still trying to cook up evidence of a Ward crime the week of the REMATCH.

[boxing_rocks]

What is this Salem? The Kova butt hurt squad having a little witch hunt since all their bullshit is just laughed at now? Lol no chance these swine handle the second L better than they did the first, their still trying to cook up evidence of a Ward crime the week of the REMATCH.

Wow, you are as disgusting as your beloved Andrea. SFW = dirty bastard.

[SFW]

What is this Salem? The Kova butt hurt squad having a little witch hunt since all their bullshit is just laughed at now? Lol no chance these swine handle the second L better than they did the first, their still trying to cook up evidence of a Ward crime the week of the REMATCH.

Wow, you are as disgusting as your beloved Andrea. SFW = dirty bastard.

If a douche bag doesn't like me, I'm doing just fine. It's almost time for you to bend over and take it again, 5 more days.

[boxing_rocks]

What is this Salem? The Kova butt hurt squad having a little witch hunt since all their bullshit is just laughed at now? Lol no chance these swine handle the second L better than they did the first, their still trying to cook up evidence of a Ward crime the week of the REMATCH.

Wow, you are as disgusting as your beloved Andrea. SFW = dirty bastard.

If a douche bag doesn't like me, I'm doing just fine. It's almost time for you to bend over and take it again, 5 more days.

Unless Ward manages to land a good head butt, he is going down this time. Kovalev is smart enough to not make same mistakes twice, and Ward has nothing else in his arsenal.

[Thomastearns]

Boxing appears to be the most corrupt sport as far as judging goes. The list of dodgy decisions is endless disappearing down the decades.

However, we must remember that the judges are human. They are prone to countless biases which cloud the decision making process. Sometimes the effect of all these biases working together leads to such gross distortions in their judging of a fight that a casual observer has no choice but to call 'foul'. Of course, we could avoid all this by hiring the very best judges we can. But in the real world...

Sometimes though, they are not merely biased, they are just corrupt.

We should also remember that there have been many good decisions too. After what Fury said about fighting Klitschko in his back yard he should have been more than surprised to get the decision in a fight nobody deserved to win.

With large amounts of money at stake plus the sum effort of years of toil and hard work, the fighters deserve something better. Their health and careers are at stake.
If computers can fly planes, win chess matches etc they can judge boxing matches too. I know which I would trust.

According to BoxRec, there were 226 bouts that took place last Saturday (10th June), with 129 of them decided by the judges’ scorecards.

If the sport of boxing is so corrupt, can you list all of the bouts that took place on that date whereby the decisions were highly-controversial in nature?

If you’re going to make such a bold proclamation, then you need to be in possession of all the facts to back it up, due to the fact that you passionately claim that judges are simply “corrupt”, whilst strongly implying that the officiating for the sport of boxing is the world’s worst.

If you can’t quantify your outrageous claim, then don’t talk pure utter búllshíté!

Dear enlightened friend, before you invite me to engage in a never ending battle over semantics, can I suggest that you could consider getting professional help regarding pedantry, attention seeking and control issues.

[boxing_rocks]

Dear enlightened friend, before you invite me to engage in a never ending battle over semantics, can I suggest that you could consider getting professional help regarding pedantry, attention seeking and control issues.

[crow]

If a douche bag doesn't like me, I'm doing just fine. It's almost time for you to bend over and take it again, 5 more days.

You mean Ward's lounging again for Kovalev's dick while attempting the double leg take down?
This is on PPV alright!

[Enlightened-One]

Boxing appears to be the most corrupt sport as far as judging goes. The list of dodgy decisions is endless disappearing down the decades.

However, we must remember that the judges are human. They are prone to countless biases which cloud the decision making process. Sometimes the effect of all these biases working together leads to such gross distortions in their judging of a fight that a casual observer has no choice but to call 'foul'. Of course, we could avoid all this by hiring the very best judges we can. But in the real world...

Sometimes though, they are not merely biased, they are just corrupt.

We should also remember that there have been many good decisions too. After what Fury said about fighting Klitschko in his back yard he should have been more than surprised to get the decision in a fight nobody deserved to win.

With large amounts of money at stake plus the sum effort of years of toil and hard work, the fighters deserve something better. Their health and careers are at stake.
If computers can fly planes, win chess matches etc they can judge boxing matches too. I know which I would trust.

According to BoxRec, there were 226 bouts that took place last Saturday (10th June), with 129 of them decided by the judges’ scorecards.

If the sport of boxing is so corrupt, can you list all of the bouts that took place on that date whereby the decisions were highly-controversial in nature?

If you’re going to make such a bold proclamation, then you need to be in possession of all the facts to back it up, due to the fact that you passionately claim that judges are simply “corrupt”, whilst strongly implying that the officiating for the sport of boxing is the world’s worst.

If you can’t quantify your outrageous claim, then don’t talk pure utter búllshíté!

Dear enlightened friend, before you invite me to engage in a never ending battle over semantics, can I suggest that you could consider getting professional help regarding pedantry, attention seeking and control issues.

The point I was trying to make relates to the frequency of so-called “ROBBERIES”.

Ignorant people claims that it happens “all the time”, but when you review their actual occurrences as a percentage of the total fights that take place, we’re talking about a mere fraction of a percent.

I suspect that you picked up on the point I was alluding to, but you chose to insult me rather than address it, since you could not defend your severely-embellished factually-incorrect opinion.

I’m not denying that sometimes judges make “poor” decisions, but for you to portray a situation that bears no relation to reality, whilst having absolutely no proof to support or quantify your own derogatory opinion, is blatantly fúckíng stupid!

[man]

You can disagree, but can you use lines of normal length and capitalization?

online forums are the only place where you
would think that writing in long horizontal
lines is normal. no newspaper, no blog, no
magazine would do that. so, sir, maybe you
start writing in normal length ...

What about starting a sentence with a capital letter? Too much work? There must be a setting for that on your phone keyboard.

that's my personal preference.
i even write like that in german,
where every noun should have
capitals. there is only one reason
why i do that: i am cool, sir.

[boxing_rocks]

Isn't "free press" supposed to be better?

Why don't you direct us to the networks, radio stations, and publications eminating from Putinland that dare to question his authority in any serious manner, and that are not in a cacophonous unison in their anti-American sentiment?

I am not arguing about Russian propaganda being truthful. It isn't. However, it is American propaganda which is relevant in this thread, and it is clearly anti-Russian and quite often not truthful and even not trying to be that.

Here is an example of how indoctrinated the American press and public is:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/oliver-stone-c ... 34323.html

They won't even listen to what Oliver Stone who spent a lot of time interviewing Putin has to say. They already know that Putin is a monster, child killer, occupant, etc., so they don't even try to understand different opinions. I would expect this kind of behavior from people raised under totalitarian regimes, but not from Americans.

[G.McClellan]

You should stop watching it.

If Kovalev gets robbed again after a corrupt referee protects Ward and allows him to clinch, clamp, grapple and otherwise foul his way to survive the distance, I will no longer follow boxing.

And I fully expect that to happen.

The first fight was a robbery and it's almost universally thought of as such. For it to happen again would lead to the type of governing body investigations and calls for public inquires, the sport (let alone those involved behind the scenes) can afford.

[crow]

They won't even listen to what Oliver Stone who spent a lot of time interviewing Putin has to say. They already know that Putin is a monster, child killer, occupant, etc., so they don't even try to understand different opinions. I would expect this kind of behavior from people raised under totalitarian regimes, but not from Americans.

Well, maybe because Oliver Stone belongs to controlled opposition ?
He's been lionizing Che Guevara and Castro since the dawn of times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtA1IVmH-EA

."The Castro regime jailed and tortured people at a higher rate than the Stalin regime during the great terror" 04.55
."At any one time, 1 out of every 17 cubans was a jailed political prisoner"
."People were interned for the mere suspicion of being gays"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TyBB9XsTsM

[Freedom2013]

Kovalev is getting cheated in multiple ways. The deck is stacked against him once again, in favor of the very privileged Ward.

Ward is receiving $6.5 mil guaranteed for Saturday's fight, Kovalev is just receiving a percentage of the PPV.

I am losing my interest in boxing - too much injustice going on.

[Enlightened-One]

I am losing my interest in boxing - too much injustice going on.

Either stop complaining or stop following boxing, because all you seem to do is whinge and fúckíng moan about the sport.

The only time you appear to be positive about anything, is when you refer to the UFC or any white fighter from Eastern Europe.

[crow]

Either stop complaining or stop following boxing, because all you seem to do is whinge and fúckíng moan about the sport.

He's perfectly entitled to voice his discontent with the state of the sport.

You on the other hand is getting up everybody's nose with your idiotic posts about what's lawful or not online.

Tanzidiot has company.

[Enlightened-One]

Either stop complaining or stop following boxing, because all you seem to do is whinge and fúckíng moan about the sport.

He's perfectly entitled to voice his discontent with the state of the sport.

You on the other hand is getting up everybody's nose...

Tanzidiot has company.

You're absolutely correct - he is entitled to his opinion!

That being said, when someone repeatedly criticises the sport, whilst regularly threatening to stop following it altogether, by articulating their apparent dislike of boxing on a “BOXING” specialist forum, then I'm also entitled to criticise him for his disparaging remarks about our beloved sport.

For those people like myself, who thoroughly appreciate the sport of boxing, which is the sole reason why I use this forum… are we supposed to endorse fúckíng stupid comments like these?

I am losing my interest in boxing - too much injustice going on.

If Kovalev gets robbed again, I won't follow boxing anymore

I've had less enthusiasm for boxing after the Kovalev-Ward I robbery. There's no point in watching a sport where those who win are given losses.

My own enthusiasm for the sport of boxing has greatly decreased since the robbery, I'm not watching boxing as much now.

I'm fed up with boxing. I waste too much time watching it, only to see the same kind of robberies over and over again.

I feel like a fool for buying PPVs and devoting so much time over the past ten years to these internet forums. I won't be posting as much in the future.

There is too much politics and bullshit involved in boxing sometimes. - Very true.

Russians have always been cheated by western countries in sports.

...thanks to a corrupt anti-Russian sanctioning organization [the WBC]

But let's be honest: a Russian fighting in the USA is not going to receive a fair shake...

They will try to make sure the Russian-born boxer loses and the American-born boxer wins.

Briggs has "dramatically elevated levels of testosterone". And he's an American, so VADA has no political agenda against him.

The American referee will permit Andre Ward to use illegal tactics, and the three American judges will once again award him the decision even if Kovalev dominates every round.

I think the powers that be in the USA will be trying to find a way to ensure a Ward win. They don't like the idea of a Russian beating an American, even though Kovalev is an American citizen now. A win by Kovalev doesn't fit their agenda.

So the deck will be stacked to ensure a Ward win. The ref will be on Ward's side for sure, letting him use illegal tactics and being in Kovalev's face for throwing legal punches, and the American judges will be there for him if he needs them.

Max Kellerman and the other HBO commentators will be on Ward's side as well, scoring all the rounds for Ward, to sell the idea that he's winning the rounds that Kovalev doesn't completely dominate...

Hilarious some of you dainties bawling about Freedom asking a legit question of whether Kovalev gets fair officiating in a dirty American boxing jurisdiction - Excellent post!

... it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a boxer who doesn't have an American promoter to get into the top 10 p4p.

You believe that because RUSADA is Russian, while VADA is American, right? I think there's something shady going on with VADA (and the WBC) while RUSADA is more trustworthy.

The WBC threw away the positive test result for Durodola, claiming something shady was going on with the Russian testing.

It seems to me far more likely something dishonest is going on with the American testing and Povetkin's results.

The fair and objective BoxRec computer, without the pro-American bias of most of the high-profile sportswriters, now has Wladimir Klitschko as P4P #1.

Hopkins will be permitted by the American referee to use deliberate head butts to the ridge over the eye of Kovalev...

There are double standards in P4P rankings which favor American boxers.

It’s a fúckíng boxing forum, so if people don’t enjoy the sport of “BOXING”, then they shouldn’t become tearful and emotionally-disturbed if they’re subsequently attacked by someone like myself, due to their seemingly-constant stream of disparaging remarks about the sport I love!

[caldo2025]

Here's a question....What if the judges rob Ward this time and hand a decision to Kovalev? Do you think that there will still be the outcry n the sport or will boxing fans feel good about it because Kovalev got screwed in the first fight? I feel like a hypocrite because I don't think that i'd be upset about it if they handed to Kovalev. It would make up for the first fight which i found criminal and lead us to a 3rd fight. But that's a bs stance to take, i know. As a boxing fan i should be upset at any wronged boxer and bad decision.

In the last 6 rounds of the first fight, judges gave Ward 17 out the 18 rounds scored....THAT is criminal. That's a clear sign of judges having agenda's to me and that agenda is to make sure Ward gets his hand raised.

[joe strong]

If you're an American, why aren't you rooting for the American?

I'm not an American.

And even if I were American, I would not be overly nationalistic and be objective enough to score a fight fairly.

I was rooting for Duran against Leonard when I was 20. Guess that makes me 11 years older. It was directed at Freedom

I was rooting for Duran against Leonard when I was 25. Guess that makes me 5 years older. The fight happened here in Canada: "the Brawl in Montreal".

You are 62? So you are 20 years older than me?

[boxing_rocks]

Is Ward the least interesting boxer in boxing history?

Definitely one of the most boring. When he was posing with Rigo yesterday, it was too much and journalists were falling asleep

[boxing_rocks]

F*ck. We had EO-free day yesterday, and I had my hopes up that they hospitalized him to treat his mental conditions. Unfortunately, I was wrong and the moron is back.

English medicine clearly sucks, as they let a guy like that wondering around untreated.

[Enlightened-One]

F*ck. We had EO-free day yesterday, and I had my hopes up that they hospitalized him to treat his mental conditions. Unfortunately, I was wrong and the moron is back.

English medicine clearly sucks, as they let a guy like that wondering around untreated.

What’s the matter, kid? Are you offended by the fact that I quoted Freedom2013’s words?

[Tony1244]

Is Ward the least interesting boxer in boxing history?

Definitely one of the most boring. When he was posing with Rigo yesterday, it was too much and journalists were falling asleep

Ward is no Ali or Dennis Rodman. But boring people can have very successful careers in all walks of life if they're competent and disciplined like Ward. So lets here it for boring people.

[greg]

Ward is no Ali or Dennis Rodman. But boring people can have very successful careers in all walks of life if they're competent and disciplined like Ward. So lets here it for boring people.

..I've personally no problem watching and rooting for boring boxers ...what bothers me though, in anticipations of this fight, is that Ward seems to have learned how to get away with "dirty dancing" ...left unpunished, he might continue using his questionable tactics over and over again to the full satisfaction of his fans and local judges...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The big day is here. Who is more loathsome, ward or Tunney? Kovalev is a favorite of mine so I won't cheer against him, but if he happens to lose Tunney never posting again will soften the blow.