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Not a chance that 9-3 GGG is equally nuts as 10-2 Canelo

tobyh5 wrote:

samwbr wrote:

tobyh5 wrote:
GGG won but not "at least 4 rounds up". That makes it 8-4 but your wording of "at least" suggest you are giving him more - 9 or 10 rounds, which is equally nuts to the 118-110 card

I scored it 9-3, possibly a little generous but 8-4 is maybe a fairer reflection. It was a clear win. The eyes of the sporting world on what should have been a great event and it was fucked up by the judges. It's hard not to conclude it was fixed.

That card is a shame as Canelo should get a little credit for standing firm, landing eye catching shots, nullifying GGG for stretches and being competitive and exchanging with him at times. He lost, but he performed well, this card just leaves everyone ripping him

When your own fans boo you know they've seen through your display. He fought well in bursts but he wasn't winning the rounds.
The cards are just bizarre

samwbr wrote:

tobyh5 wrote:

samwbr wrote: I scored it 9-3, possibly a little generous but 8-4 is maybe a fairer reflection. It was a clear win. The eyes of the sporting world on what should have been a great event and it was fucked up by the judges. It's hard not to conclude it was fixed.

That card is a shame as Canelo should get a little credit for standing firm, landing eye catching shots, nullifying GGG for stretches and being competitive and exchanging with him at times. He lost, but he performed well, this card just leaves everyone ripping him

When your own fans boo you know they've seen through your display. He fought well in bursts but he wasn't winning the rounds.
The cards are just bizarre

I kinda feel the Mexicans should instead respect him for taking the challenge and performing well as I said, and he then should have been handed a loss and accepted it and given credit to GGG, asked for a rematch, promised to do better and they would have loved that. Instead I think they are embarrassed purely due to one shite card, the draw and him pretending he thought he won.

tobyh5 wrote:

samwbr wrote:

tobyh5 wrote:

That card is a shame as Canelo should get a little credit for standing firm, landing eye catching shots, nullifying GGG for stretches and being competitive and exchanging with him at times. He lost, but he performed well, this card just leaves everyone ripping him

When your own fans boo you know they've seen through your display. He fought well in bursts but he wasn't winning the rounds.
The cards are just bizarre

I kinda feel the Mexicans should instead respect him for taking the challenge and performing well as I said, and he then should have been handed a loss and accepted it and given credit to GGG, asked for a rematch, promised to do better and they would have loved that. Instead I think they are embarrassed purely due to one shite card, the draw and him pretending he thought he won.

Mexicans also tend to frown on their fighters who are reluctant to stand and trade. Although obviously Canelo had good reasons for not doing so.

tobyh5 wrote:

samwbr wrote:

tobyh5 wrote:
GGG won but not "at least 4 rounds up". That makes it 8-4 but your wording of "at least" suggest you are giving him more - 9 or 10 rounds, which is equally nuts to the 118-110 card

I scored it 9-3, possibly a little generous but 8-4 is maybe a fairer reflection. It was a clear win. The eyes of the sporting world on what should have been a great event and it was fucked up by the judges. It's hard not to conclude it was fixed.

That card is a shame as Canelo should get a little credit for standing firm, landing eye catching shots, nullifying GGG for stretches and being competitive and exchanging with him at times. He lost, but he performed well, this card just leaves everyone ripping him

this is spot on. i didn't think he would be able to deal with golovkins power ,in the end it wasn't an issue for him. he came off second best in the engine department.

dalcumly wrote:Just up this morning . I ,as always, refuse point blank to pay for any PPV show. Have seen the scorecards on fightnews.com.

So, honestly, who won this fight? Was it a robbery? Take all the emotion out of it, can someone give a clear opinion.
Some posters have complained about the 118-110 scorecard, but that aside, was it a close fight or not?

I had it 118-110 for GGG canelo had some success but not enough to win the fight not even enough to win half the fight

I think I got this mostly right. It was all about workrate. Canelo got tired after first 3 rounds and was retreating. ropadoping and covering up, as I said. I also said that Golovkin will throw 200 more punches. A punch stat below confirms it.

What I did not get right was that I thought Canelo will suffer more damage. Maybe because GGG did not go to the body Canelo was able to last pretty well.

Golovkin deserved to win, very clearly. Minimum by 2 points and as much as 6 points. Draw was stretch and 118-110 was crazy.

TheLeprechaun wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:Call me crazy but I scored that for Canelo. He landed the more eye catching shots throughout the fight and I thought GGG was coming forward and hitting fresh air for most of the night.

Crazy

Off the top of my head I gave Canelo the first 3 and 9,10,11. I thought he won those rounds clearly. So for me thats 6 rounds for Canelo. Can you argue with any of these rounds and say they are clear GGG rounds? I'm just going from memory here but there were a couple of other rounds that I thought Canelo had a good shout of winning.Those ones just stand out because they were two blocks of three rounds.

If you think canelo won round 9 you must be smoking somethin cause im rewatchin it now and you are delusional. Were you drunk when you wrote this leprechaun?

Asterix wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:Canelo in a surprisingly one sided fight for me. People will be saying they saw it coming.

If you're right about this I'll be really surprised and impressed.

But apparently he was right

The fact that people are saying Golovkin won the first round says it all. Coming forward and getting picked off and countered while you land punches on fresh air seems to be the new way to win rounds. We saw similar in the Jacobs fight. He hit fresh air and got countered and lost the round clear as day.

thechump wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote: Crazy

Off the top of my head I gave Canelo the first 3 and 9,10,11. I thought he won those rounds clearly. So for me thats 6 rounds for Canelo. Can you argue with any of these rounds and say they are clear GGG rounds? I'm just going from memory here but there were a couple of other rounds that I thought Canelo had a good shout of winning.Those ones just stand out because they were two blocks of three rounds.

If you think canelo won round 9 you must be smoking somethin cause im rewatchin it now and you are delusional. Were you drunk when you wrote this leprechaun?

Yes I gave the 9th to Canelo. Where were the clean shots from Golovkin? Canelo landed clear eye catching shots and made Golovkin miss most of his attacks. Are you giving Golovkin credit for taking clean shots without appearing hurt?

I think claims that GGG was a clear winner are clouding the issue here, it was a close fight and 2 of the 3 official cards confirmed that, I think that the outrage over the 118-110 card is forcing people too far the other way. I watched the replay this morning already knowing the result and scored it 115-113 GGG but I just watched it again and scored it 115-114 Canelo. The punch stats also suggest a close fight with Canelo landing slightly more overall but GGG winning the jab war and Canelo the power punches. Do you prefer a controlled jab over a power punch? Be interested in how people see it after watching a second time

Jackson328 wrote:I think claims that GGG was a clear winner are clouding the issue here, it was a close fight and 2 of the 3 official cards confirmed that, I think that the outrage over the 118-110 card is forcing people too far the other way. I watched the replay this morning already knowing the result and scored it 115-113 GGG but I just watched it again and scored it 115-114 Canelo. The punch stats also suggest a close fight with Canelo landing slightly more overall but GGG winning the jab war and Canelo the power punches. Do you prefer a controlled jab over a power punch? Be interested in how people see it after watching a second time

CompuBox punch stats (for whatever theyre worth) have GGG landing about 50 more overall, not Canelo

crusader wrote:

Jackson328 wrote:I think claims that GGG was a clear winner are clouding the issue here, it was a close fight and 2 of the 3 official cards confirmed that, I think that the outrage over the 118-110 card is forcing people too far the other way. I watched the replay this morning already knowing the result and scored it 115-113 GGG but I just watched it again and scored it 115-114 Canelo. The punch stats also suggest a close fight with Canelo landing slightly more overall but GGG winning the jab war and Canelo the power punches. Do you prefer a controlled jab over a power punch? Be interested in how people see it after watching a second time

CompuBox punch stats (for whatever theyre worth) have GGG landing about 50 more overall, not Canelo

I was referring to the grid chart posted by Tarkus although I don't know where he got that from to be honest! I'm not a fan boy of either fighter btw, I admire them both, not trying to be controversial here either but I genuinely think it was a close fight and scored it differently after a second look.

That chart has GGG landing more overall

Jackson328 wrote:

crusader wrote:

Jackson328 wrote:I think claims that GGG was a clear winner are clouding the issue here, it was a close fight and 2 of the 3 official cards confirmed that, I think that the outrage over the 118-110 card is forcing people too far the other way. I watched the replay this morning already knowing the result and scored it 115-113 GGG but I just watched it again and scored it 115-114 Canelo. The punch stats also suggest a close fight with Canelo landing slightly more overall but GGG winning the jab war and Canelo the power punches. Do you prefer a controlled jab over a power punch? Be interested in how people see it after watching a second time

CompuBox punch stats (for whatever theyre worth) have GGG landing about 50 more overall, not Canelo

I was referring to the grid chart posted by Tarkus although I don't know where he got that from to be honest! I'm not a fan boy of either fighter btw, I admire them both, not trying to be controversial here either but I genuinely think it was a close fight and scored it differently after a second look.

It's definitely a close fight. I can see an argument for GGG winning but I would have had to be generous to him. When you lose the first 3 rounds, it's an uphill battle. Sanchez told him Canelo was pulling away in the corner before the 4th. The last round is interesting. Again I think you have to sway towards Canelo in that one. Even if you think GGG won the fight, is it really that hard to see Canelo winning say the first 3 and the last 3/4?

TheLeprechaun wrote:

thechump wrote:

TheLeprechaun wrote:

Off the top of my head I gave Canelo the first 3 and 9,10,11. I thought he won those rounds clearly. So for me thats 6 rounds for Canelo. Can you argue with any of these rounds and say they are clear GGG rounds? I'm just going from memory here but there were a couple of other rounds that I thought Canelo had a good shout of winning.Those ones just stand out because they were two blocks of three rounds.

If you think canelo won round 9 you must be smoking somethin cause im rewatchin it now and you are delusional. Were you drunk when you wrote this leprechaun?

Yes I gave the 9th to Canelo. Where were the clean shots from Golovkin? Canelo landed clear


eye catching shots


and made Golovkin miss most of his attacks. Are you giving Golovkin credit for taking clean shots without appearing hurt?

You realise you're taking your scoring criteria from an Adam Smith commentary cliche, right?

crusader wrote:That chart has GGG landing more overall

I was looking at the % not the actual numbers! It still seems to me that the more eye-catching power punches sway people when scoring close rounds however. My point is that I've watched the bout twice today and my opinion changed regarding who I thought won but both times I had it as a close fight

I can see no justification for scoring more than 4 rounds for Alvarez. He simply didn't do enough.

Jackson328 wrote:

crusader wrote:That chart has GGG landing more overall

I was looking at the % not the actual numbers! It still seems to me that the more eye-catching power punches sway people when scoring close rounds however. My point is that I've watched the bout twice today and my opinion changed regarding who I thought won but both times I had it as a close fight

I wish they did not call it "power punches" as that gives a false impression and perception through use of the word "power". It should be "Jabs" and "Everything that was not a jab"

Surely when they record a "power punch" they take note of the apparent intent rather than just the type of punch?

Kilburn wrote:Surely when they record a "power punch" they take note of the apparent intent rather than just the type of punch?

Surely not.

There are two categories, and one is 'jab'

By default they call everything else a 'power' punch

Canelo didnt fight like a mexican,usually he is the bully and the strong one in the ring but this fight he was the deer and GGG was the wolf and canelo didnt do enough to win 4 rounds let alone 8 lol

Counter-puncher wrote:

Kilburn wrote:Surely when they record a "power punch" they take note of the apparent intent rather than just the type of punch?

Surely not.

There are two categories, and one is 'jab'

By default they call everything else a 'power' punch

Blimey I now have a new respect for all those cuffing flurries Calzaghe used to throw.