Errol Spence Jr. vs. Mikey Garcia - March 16, 2019

[Best Coast]

I heard a rather disturbing interview with Mikey recently on Jim Rome Show on CBS Sports Radio. Mikey mentioned that he was bulking up his weight and strength with the help of a training program with Victor Conte in northern California. If the name sounds familiar it could be die to the fact that Conte is a convicted PED supplier. As a Garcia fan I really hope he's involved only with Conte's training program and not taking the PEDs.

https://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Victor-Con ... 753213.asp

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Victor Conte has been sentenced to eight months as part of a plea deal for his role as mastermind behind a scheme to provide professional athletes with undetectable performance-enhancing drugs.

Conte, who will spend four months in prison and four months in home confinement, started the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative. The lab, according to court records, counted dozens of prominent athletes among its clients, including Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, Marion Jones and others.

Geez! First I heard that! Conte's specialty was creating new product that stayed well ahead of the current day testing. This is not the best news I've heard. I wouldn't be surprised but I would be terribly disappointed with Garcia if any implication of PED use was true.

Conte was busted years ago with the whole BALCO. He did his time and has since been working with countless top athletes who have tested clean. Despite his dubious past, Conte remains one of the top guys in his field. I actually like the fact that Mikey is working with SNAC.

Thanks for the upside amigo. I really hope you are right about Conte!! I recently found out one of my favorite prospects Devin Haney has been working out at SNAC but had no idea Conte is affiliated with SNAC until yesterday.

[oogiebe]

Here's a list of SNAC sponsored athletes.

https://snac.com/blogs/sponsored-athletes

[Best Coast]

Here's a list of SNAC sponsored athletes.

https://snac.com/blogs/sponsored-athletes

Impressive stable!!

[Impractical Poster]

There's a very good Rogan podcast from 2012 where he had Conte as his guest. I highly recommend watching it.

[Breaducce]

One week and counting until Mikey Garcia gets his head and body bashed in. He should have never taken this fight. I surprised with the number of posters actually giving him a realistic chance. Feels like an episode of the twilight zone.

[DrDuke]

One week and counting until Mikey Garcia gets his head and body bashed in. He should have never taken this fight. I surprised with the number of posters actually giving him a realistic chance. Feels like an episode of the twilight zone.

Yeah, Garcia is an excellent boxer, but he's not that type of a fighter to win a technically solid, bigger and hard-hitting guy. You gotta be some more elusive outfighter like Whitaker or late Mayweather to be able to hoax a bigger and stronger fella. That's why I see Spence stopping Garcia in the second half of the fight.

[Breaducce]

One week and counting until Mikey Garcia gets his head and body bashed in. He should have never taken this fight. I surprised with the number of posters actually giving him a realistic chance. Feels like an episode of the twilight zone.

Yeah, Garcia is an excellent boxer, but he's not that type of a fighter to win a technically solid, bigger and hard-hitting guy. You gotta be some more elusive outfighter like Whitaker or late Mayweather to be able to hoax a bigger and stronger fella. That's why I see Spence stopping Garcia in the second half of the fight.

Exactly. Garcia is an excellent boxer but oddly enough people have been overrating his boxing ability as if he has the legs and Defense of Terrance Crawford, or to an even more absurd degree like Floyds. Garcia has good defense but it is leaky and he can and has been touched by BIG shots throughout his career. In his last fight, Lipinets landed, left hooks to the head and body and overhand rights like it was out of fashion and despite being dropped lipinets was not deterred by mikeys punching power and continued to make mikey uncomfortable with his pressure. Lipinets is not half the boxer Spence is and does not have comparable power, and accuracy. Spence is also an excellent boxer and when he is not punishing mikey on the inside with his superior infighting skills he is gonna be using his angles, great balance, accuracy and timing to land bludgeoning blows on mikey, while also being able to step out the back door and escape any counter shots. Spence is also going to counter the hell out of mikeys jab right hand combination that he often over-commits with and that is what I think is going to end the fight, or be the beginning of the end for mikey.

[PUGLET]

Aside from size, I think that they are pretty evenly matched and somewhat similar. Decent skills, decent hand speed, power. Good fight IQ’s for both. Both not that hard to hit and like to exchange. I really don’t think that EITHER of them should be talked about in P4P ratings or “greatness” at this point, either. Even if Mikey carries his power up to WW, he’s also gonna bring his chin. I think that’ll be the difference after some exciting exchanges. More wear and tear on Mikey’s chin than Errol’s. I’m excited for this fight and expect a 2-3 rd KO by Spence. But for the sake of all sanity and sense..... DON’T COMPARE or liken this to Leonard/Hagler or Hagler/Hearns. Straight blasphemy.

[SenorPipino]

Garcia needs to adopt Leonard's Hagler strategy to beat Spence. But he's not that kind of fighter.

Lacks Leonard's mobility.

But that being said, I'd be stunned to see Spence stop Garcia in 2-3 rounds.

Garcia is a smart, capable fighter. He IS a P4P guy.

Mikey is not going anywhere without putting up a terrific effort.

[tiny_acres]

But that being said, I'd be stunned to see Spence stop Garcia in 2-3 rounds.

Garcia is a smart, capable fighter. He IS a P4P guy.

Mikey is not going anywhere without putting up a terrific effort.

Mikey will give 110% and not back down.
I pick Spence to win but I will be cheering on Garcia

[PUGLET]

Hey, I’m a Mikey fan too, more so than a fan of Errol. I think people are too high on Errol too quickly and Mikey has been a little too inactive for P4P in my “train of thought” . Regardless, I think the chin let’s Mikey down after/in some exciting fireworks. Still saying KO/TKO in 2/3/4 by Spence. Maybe you’re right about the P4P thing, thus the beauty of boxing. Top P4P should only be top 5, not top 10. You really have to be “special”.

GGG
CRAWFORD
ALVAREZ
INOOYE
LOMA

[SenorPipino]

Hey, I’m a Mikey fan too, more so than a fan of Errol. I think people are too high on Errol too quickly and Mikey has been a little too inactive for P4P in my “train of thought” . Regardless, I think the chin let’s Mikey down after/in some exciting fireworks. Still saying KO/TKO in 2/3/4 by Spence. Maybe you’re right about the P4P thing, thus the beauty of boxing. Top P4P should only be top 5, not top 10. You really have to be “special”.

GGG
CRAWFORD
ALVAREZ
INOOYE
LOMA

Do you think that Garcia has a suspect chin when you opine that it will "let him down?"

I don't see evidence of that. Sure, he was knocked down by Martinez, but knockdowns are part of the sport. He didn't appear to be hurt.

Countless great fighters have hit the canvas. And then got back up to win.

So did Garcia.

He may go down against Spence. But I believe that he'll get back up again and continue to fight back.

I'm not expecting a knockout in this fight. Two talented fighters capable of withstanding the best the other has to offer.

[PUGLET]

I’m not saying he’s ”chinny” or has a bad chin, BUT, I am saying that, given his style and fearlessness, he WILL get caught in exchanges AND he will get hurt and get KO’d. If you get dropped by Martinez, rest assured, Spence has the power to take Mikey out. BTW, I’m rooting for Garcia, but this is just how I see it playing out. I’ll be happy if proven wrong.

[IKSRTFO]

One week and counting until Mikey Garcia gets his head and body bashed in. He should have never taken this fight. I surprised with the number of posters actually giving him a realistic chance. Feels like an episode of the twilight zone.

Yeah, Garcia is an excellent boxer, but he's not that type of a fighter to win a technically solid, bigger and hard-hitting guy. You gotta be some more elusive outfighter like Whitaker or late Mayweather to be able to hoax a bigger and stronger fella. That's why I see Spence stopping Garcia in the second half of the fight.

Exactly. Garcia is an excellent boxer but oddly enough people have been overrating his boxing ability as if he has the legs and Defense of Terrance Crawford, or to an even more absurd degree like Floyds. Garcia has good defense but it is leaky and he can and has been touched by BIG shots throughout his career. In his last fight, Lipinets landed, left hooks to the head and body and overhand rights like it was out of fashion and despite being dropped lipinets was not deterred by mikeys punching power and continued to make mikey uncomfortable with his pressure. Lipinets is not half the boxer Spence is and does not have comparable power, and accuracy. Spence is also an excellent boxer and when he is not punishing mikey on the inside with his superior infighting skills he is gonna be using his angles, great balance, accuracy and timing to land bludgeoning blows on mikey, while also being able to step out the back door and escape any counter shots. Spence is also going to counter the hell out of mikeys jab right hand combination that he often over-commits with and that is what I think is going to end the fight, or be the beginning of the end for mikey.

I agree with this post that Mikey does get hit. But one thing no one's mentioned and he doesn't seem to get credit for, is he hasn't been down in his career a lot and not visibly hurt. (No, headbutts to the nose don't count) In all actuality, Add to that, he's walked fighters bigger than himself down (Broner and Easter) Not saying he'll do that to Spence but he's stronger than the credit he's been give.

However, I disagree that Spence's an excellent boxer. An excellent boxer moves his head. Mikey won't do it, but that habit will catch up to Spence if he moves up and fights someone like Jarret Hurd.

[IKSRTFO]

I’m not saying he’s ”chinny” or has a bad chin, BUT, I am saying that, given his style and fearlessness, he WILL get caught in exchanges AND he will get hurt and get KO’d. If you get dropped by Martinez, rest assured, Spence has the power to take Mikey out. BTW, I’m rooting for Garcia, but this is just how I see it playing out. I’ll be happy if proven wrong.

Like Pacquiao being dropped and stopped earlier in his career by smaller men, yet didn't get stopped by bigger Morales, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, and Mayweather?

The biggest guy who hurt Pacquiao is Marquez out of all the names mentioned.

[Susej_SOG]

Exactly. Garcia is an excellent boxer but oddly enough people have been overrating his boxing ability as if he has the legs and Defense of Terrance Crawford, or to an even more absurd degree like Floyds. Garcia has good defense but it is leaky and he can and has been touched by BIG shots throughout his career. In his last fight, Lipinets landed, left hooks to the head and body and overhand rights like it was out of fashion and despite being dropped lipinets was not deterred by mikeys punching power and continued to make mikey uncomfortable with his pressure. Lipinets is not half the boxer Spence is and does not have comparable power, and accuracy. Spence is also an excellent boxer and when he is not punishing mikey on the inside with his superior infighting skills he is gonna be using his angles, great balance, accuracy and timing to land bludgeoning blows on mikey, while also being able to step out the back door and escape any counter shots. Spence is also going to counter the hell out of mikeys jab right hand combination that he often over-commits with and that is what I think is going to end the fight, or be the beginning of the end for mikey.

And you are doing the same, talking about Crawford as if Terrence was Withaker or Floyd.


Crawford and García are in a very similar level, Mikey is a lighter fighter than him.


Gamboa outboxed Crawford in some rounds and landed on him big shots.

Benavídez landed on Crawford big counter shots too.

Loma took punishment against Salido and Salido forced him to fight in the inside, Linares knocked down him, Pedraza landed big hands too.

And?

Thats pretty normal, this is boxing.

Óscar was near to be k.o'ed by that italian guy.

Maidana landed a lot of Big punches on Floyd.


García has a very good defense, and look the face of Lipinets, he took punishment. And every training camp is different, García looks stronger this time.

And another thing.

García won a belt in 126 pounds.

There are 21 pounds of difference in this fight.

Thats like Crawford fighting against Canelo in 156 pounds. No way in hell Terrence will do something like that and no way in hell it would be competitive.

García is a better fighter than Spence, if he can hurt him, he has chances, but if not, if the difference of power and strenght it's too much, Spence will K.O García.

[IKSRTFO]

Exactly. Garcia is an excellent boxer but oddly enough people have been overrating his boxing ability as if he has the legs and Defense of Terrance Crawford, or to an even more absurd degree like Floyds. Garcia has good defense but it is leaky and he can and has been touched by BIG shots throughout his career. In his last fight, Lipinets landed, left hooks to the head and body and overhand rights like it was out of fashion and despite being dropped lipinets was not deterred by mikeys punching power and continued to make mikey uncomfortable with his pressure. Lipinets is not half the boxer Spence is and does not have comparable power, and accuracy. Spence is also an excellent boxer and when he is not punishing mikey on the inside with his superior infighting skills he is gonna be using his angles, great balance, accuracy and timing to land bludgeoning blows on mikey, while also being able to step out the back door and escape any counter shots. Spence is also going to counter the hell out of mikeys jab right hand combination that he often over-commits with and that is what I think is going to end the fight, or be the beginning of the end for mikey.

And you are doing the same, talking about Crawford as if Terrence was Withaker or Floyd.


Crawford and García are in a very similar level, Mikey is a lighter fighter than him.


Gamboa outboxed Crawford in some rounds and landed on him big shots.

Benavídez landed on Crawford big counter shots too.

Loma took punishment against Salido and Salido forced him to fight in the inside, Linares knocked down him, Pedraza landed big hands too.

And?

Thats pretty normal, this is boxing.

Óscar was near to be k.o'ed by that italian guy.

Maidana landed a lot of Big punches on Floyd.


García has a very good defense, and look the face of Lipinets, he took punishment. And every training camp is different, García looks stronger this time.

And another thing.

García won a belt in 126 pounds.

There are 21 pounds of difference in this fight.

Thats like Crawford fighting against Canelo in 156 pounds. No way in hell Terrence will do something like that and no way in hell it would be competitive.

García is a better fighter than Spence, if he can hurt him, he has chances, but if not, if the difference of power and strenght it's too much, Spence will K.O García.

But it's forgotton that Canelo started at 140, 20lbs lighter than GGG and not only got a win over him but just beat an 168ler.

[jamamb]

canelo was that weight at like 15, ggg was still fighting at 141 in the ams at 19/20

[Susej_SOG]

canelo was that weight at like 15, ggg was still fighting at 141 in the ams at 19/20

Nope, Canelo fought in 147 at 20.

[Susej_SOG]

But it's forgotton that Canelo started at 140, 20lbs lighter than GGG and not only got a win over him but just beat an 168ler.

Exactly.

Of fact, Canelo fought against Miguel "Títere" Vázquez.

[jamamb]

lol nope what, canelo was 140 at around 15, 147 is not the same weight i was referring too

ggg was mentioned, but he didnt even turn pro till 24 at 159, at 24 canelo was weighing at 155 not 140. and at 19/20 ggg still had amateur fights weighing no more then 141. so you compare them at similar ages and also now, and that 20 pound size difference from 15 year old canelo and grown man ggg pretty much evaporates.

canelo has now weighed more then ggg ever has multiple times too

[PUGLET]

I’m not saying he’s ”chinny” or has a bad chin, BUT, I am saying that, given his style and fearlessness, he WILL get caught in exchanges AND he will get hurt and get KO’d. If you get dropped by Martinez, rest assured, Spence has the power to take Mikey out. BTW, I’m rooting for Garcia, but this is just how I see it playing out. I’ll be happy if proven wrong.

Like Pacquiao being dropped and stopped earlier in his career by smaller men, yet didn't get stopped by bigger Morales, Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, and Mayweather?

The biggest guy who hurt Pacquiao is Marquez out of all the names mentioned.

I understand the comparison you’re getting at.... but it’s really a stretch to compare Garcia to Pacquaio. One is a smart, workmanlike boxer with good power whom is/was a grown man throughout his career. Pacquaio literally “grew up” physically and age/maturity wise over the course of his career. So, really, sort of a stretch. As far as any of that goes, Garcia prolly has a much better chin than Manny. (I had Marquez winning all four fights, BTW.) I still think that match-up and style-wise, this is a really, really tough one for Garcia. As far as ANY of it goes, Manny prolly still beats Spence and Thurman.... even though he’s way past it.

..... and that’s keeping the whole PED speculations aside in regards to Manny.

[Susej_SOG]

lol nope what, canelo was 140 at around 15, 147 is not the same weight i was referring too

ggg was mentioned, but he didnt even turn pro till 24 at 159, at 24 canelo was weighing at 155 not 140. and at 19/20 ggg still had amateur fights weighing no more then 141. so you compare them at similar ages and also now, and that 20 pound size difference from 15 year old canelo and grown man ggg pretty much evaporates.

canelo has now weighed more then ggg ever has multiple times too

Canelo max weight it was 172-174.

GGG has a soft career with only two good rivals and never took risks like Ward in 168 pounds or Froch.

[jamamb]

i agree ggg was pretty much a can crusher, the size differenctial thing simply doesnt hold though when you match canelo up age for age and currently.

[ironbeard]

While I am working hard at it, I can’t see my way to picking Mikey, yet.

Mikey is a much better boxer than Lamont Peterson, who was built for Spence to do his thing on. I believe that Mikey saw something in the Peterson fight that he believes that he can exploit.

I am happy to see that others have noticed how Spence is almost cavalier about avoiding straight rights. He seems to believe that he can walk through anything. If Mikey is anything, he is precise. As I stated earlier, if Mikey clips Spence with something unseen early, this becomes much more than a test of wills that I believe the Texan relies heavily on.

Mikey has also been rather careless about getting hit during his career at lighter weights. I do not believe that he has ever respected anyone’s power under 140. That changes for this fight. Mikey believes that he can avoid Spence’s big shots. Meanwhile, I sincerely doubt that Errol is worried about Mikey’s power.

Spence is a decent boxer with huge strength and grit. Mikey is correct that he has a more developed skillset than Errol. But, this is not an amateur fight. The only way Mikey stands a chance is to prove himself to be the number 1 p4p fighter on this planet. He must do a Gene Tunney v Dempsey performance, or a Harry Greb v Tunney magic act.

Bottomline is that Spence wears him down Peterson like if Mikey cannot get his respect early on.