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joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 13:17 We're voting after Kownacki/Washington I'm assuming. yes?

I'd say Joyce/Stiverne holds more importance to this top 15 than Kownacki/Washington, unless Washington wins. Similar to Ortiz v Hammer, unless Hammer wins, i don;t see it changing anything for me. This could get complicated on deciding what is even worth a vote.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:26

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 13:17 We're voting after Kownacki/Washington I'm assuming. yes?

I'd say Joyce/Stiverne holds more importance to this top 15 than Kownacki/Washington, unless Washington wins. Similar to Ortiz v Hammer, unless Hammer wins, i don;t see it changing anything for me. This could get complicated on deciding what is even worth a vote.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Joyce/Stiverne. I'm still not even sure if Stiverne is even relevant as a win.

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:31

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:26

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:12

I'd say Joyce/Stiverne holds more importance to this top 15 than Kownacki/Washington, unless Washington wins. Similar to Ortiz v Hammer, unless Hammer wins, i don;t see it changing anything for me. This could get complicated on deciding what is even worth a vote.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Joyce/Stiverne. I'm still not even sure if Stiverne is even relevant as a win.

He's not. but if joyce looks bad in beating him, it would make a difference to me in the ratings.

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:38

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:31

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:26
Oh yeah, I forgot about Joyce/Stiverne. I'm still not even sure if Stiverne is even relevant as a win.

He's not. but if joyce looks bad in beating him, it would make a difference to me in the ratings.

For me it was more that beating Washington does nothing for Kownacki's rating as it's lower competition than his best win whereas Stiverne is, on paper, a better win than some of the guys around the 15 threshold have.

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:38

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:31

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:26
Oh yeah, I forgot about Joyce/Stiverne. I'm still not even sure if Stiverne is even relevant as a win.

He's not. but if joyce looks bad in beating him, it would make a difference to me in the ratings.

For me it was more that beating Washington does nothing for Kownacki's rating as it's lower competition than his best win whereas Stiverne is, on paper, a better win than some of the guys around the 15 threshold have.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 19:58

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:38

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:31
He's not. but if joyce looks bad in beating him, it would make a difference to me in the ratings.

For me it was more that beating Washington does nothing for Kownacki's rating as it's lower competition than his best win whereas Stiverne is, on paper, a better win than some of the guys around the 15 threshold have.

I think "on paper" says it Josh.
This list is from fight fans based on what they have seen from the fighters (well I hope it is) and not based on records. Stiverne is on paper fairly decent, but he just does not meet the eye test. Sure, Wilder went the distance the first time, though that was an overly cautious Wilder intent on getting the belt in his first big fight. We all saw what the confident Wilder did to Stiverne the second time around, and to me at least, that was the eye test regarding Stiverne. And he failed it big time. So, getting back to Stiverne/Joyce- even a first round KO by Joyce, dosent really raise my view on Joyce's standings on my list.

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:38

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:31

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:26
Oh yeah, I forgot about Joyce/Stiverne. I'm still not even sure if Stiverne is even relevant as a win.

He's not. but if joyce looks bad in beating him, it would make a difference to me in the ratings.

For me it was more that beating Washington does nothing for Kownacki's rating as it's lower competition than his best win whereas Stiverne is, on paper, a better win than some of the guys around the 15 threshold have.

Lackeos wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 23:44

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:38

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:31
He's not. but if joyce looks bad in beating him, it would make a difference to me in the ratings.

For me it was more that beating Washington does nothing for Kownacki's rating as it's lower competition than his best win whereas Stiverne is, on paper, a better win than some of the guys around the 15 threshold have.

Is the paper aware that Stiverne threw 4 punches and landed 0 against Wilder?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:06

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 13:17 We're voting after Kownacki/Washington I'm assuming. yes?

A convincing win by Kownacki might move him up a place, a loss probably 2 down. It's a lot of work for Daggie. Maybe after Kownacki/Washington and Ortiz/Hammer?

joshj909 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 15:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑24 Jan 2019, 13:17 We're voting after Kownacki/Washington I'm assuming. yes?

I'd say Joyce/Stiverne holds more importance to this top 15 than Kownacki/Washington, unless Washington wins. Similar to Ortiz v Hammer, unless Hammer wins, i don;t see it changing anything for me. This could get complicated on deciding what is even worth a vote.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Jan 2019, 22:08 So after kownacki/Washington if we don't rate either, do we offer whom we would replace them with? I had neither in my top 15 and I'm hard pressed for a scenario to change that.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 Jan 2019, 13:22 So my vote would just be kiwnacki out, Washington out? I don't mention whom I want in.