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Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 17:05

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 15:35

He claimed that he called them. An obvious duck.

Case closed! "Mr. Leonard? This is Mike McCallum. I want to fight you!" "Who?"

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 15:08 This is yet another example where you pick and choose things which favor your guy, and ignore any evidence to the contrary.

I could claim that Leonard and the great Davey Moore (had to be great because he fought Duran of course) were inexperienced when they fight Mugabi. And they each won easily.

Kalambay had a long amateur career; over 90 fights. He was 29 years old. He had 40 fights, and they weren't all against tomato cans like LaMar Clark did. If you are going to say that he was inexperienced then you can literally make any excuse like that for anybody.

Leonard-Hagler was a great fight. Kalambay was never in a great fight like that. No reason at all to think he would beat these guys. That's absurd.

McCallum was a great figher; Kalambay was very good. Neither are near Leonard or Hagler.

Our problem is that we sometimes overrate our favorite fighters by thinking that no one else could have beaten them only if that person would have been Sugar Ray Robinson.

Mike McCallum was as good as any of the 4 Kings of Boxing of the 80s decade. Why they didn't fight them? Those 4 got their reasons. The closest reason that we can think of is that McCallum was high risk, low reward type of fighter. Every generation of boxing got one: Charley Burley, Eusebio Pedroza, Mike McCallum, Aaron Pryor, Holman Williams, Harry Wills, and so on.

Sugar Ray and Davey Moore had more than 350 fights in the amateurs. Muhammad Ali had 175 wins in the amateurs and fought at the highest level of amateur boxing. Donald Curry fought over 400 fights and only lost 4. The transition from the amateurs to professional goes smoothly for guys that got that amount of amateur experience. Kalambay only had 90 amateur fights as you said. He probably didn't got that amount of experience when turning pro. When Kalambay gained experience, he became a pretty good professional fighter. He beat McCallum. What makes you think that he wouldn't beat none of the fab 4? By 1987 the Fab 4 were in fading phase.

Mike McCallum was as good in boxing talent as the Fab 4. Anyone who wants to disagree must be blind, biased, wicked or ignorant.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 17:20

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 17:05

He claimed that he called them. An obvious duck.

Case closed! "Mr. Leonard? This is Mike McCallum. I want to fight you!" "Who?"

McCallum asked Sugar Ray for a fight. Leonard said that you beat my brother Roger in 1977 in the amateurs. Another fighter would have welcomed the challenge and avenge his brother.

Is that ain't ducking, then what is?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 18:03

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 17:20

Case closed! "Mr. Leonard? This is Mike McCallum. I want to fight you!" "Who?"

McCallum asked Sugar Ray for a fight. Leonard said that you beat my brother Roger in 1977 in the amateurs. Another fighter would have welcomed the challenge and avenge his brother.

Is that ain't ducking, then what is?

C'mon man, who said so?

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 18:14

elmersalsa wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 18:03

McCallum asked Sugar Ray for a fight. Leonard said that you beat my brother Roger in 1977 in the amateurs. Another fighter would have welcomed the challenge and avenge his brother.

Is that ain't ducking, then what is?

C'mon man, who said so?

Then, what is? Ain't you gonna avenge your brother's loss? That's what McCallum is asking.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 18:57

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 18:14
C'mon man, who said so?

Then, what is? Ain't you gonna avenge your brother's loss? That's what McCallum is asking.

What evidence do we have of this alleged conversation even happening?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 18:03

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 17:20

Case closed! "Mr. Leonard? This is Mike McCallum. I want to fight you!" "Who?"

McCallum asked Sugar Ray for a fight. Leonard said that you beat my brother Roger in 1977 in the amateurs. Another fighter would have welcomed the challenge and avenge his brother.

Is that ain't ducking, then what is?

You duck truth and common sense. I should have stopped bothering with you long ago.

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 19:57

elmersalsa wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 18:57

Then, what is? Ain't you gonna avenge your brother's loss? That's what McCallum is asking.

What evidence do we have of this alleged conversation even happening?

Check it out in YouTube. It's an interview with Mike McCallum

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 20:20

elmersalsa wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 18:03

McCallum asked Sugar Ray for a fight. Leonard said that you beat my brother Roger in 1977 in the amateurs. Another fighter would have welcomed the challenge and avenge his brother.

Is that ain't ducking, then what is?

You duck truth and common sense. I should have stopped bothering with you long ago.

Check it out on YouTube were Mike McCallum exposed the Fab 4.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑19 Nov 2019, 00:42

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 20:20

You duck truth and common sense. I should have stopped bothering with you long ago.

Check it out on YouTube were Mike McCallum exposed the Fab 4.

No thanks.

Mike McCallum vs Herol Graham.

It seemed that when McCallum fought Sumbu Kalambay the first time, he was not that strong and very slow and sluggish. Was it the fact that he had to jump 6 pounds to 160? Or was it Kalambay fought a perfect fight?

Because in this fight with Graham, he is completely different. This fight happened after 4 tune up fights at Middleweight. Here, the Jamaican Body Snatcher looked strong, sharp and fast in his delivery of punches against an awkward but effective boxer. Graham from England was a southpaw boxer with great lateral movement, good jab and a straight right hand lead. The problem that I was watching of him in this fight was that he was keeping his hands way too low!

McCallum solved the puzzle against an awkward stylist southpaw and won a close split decision. I scored it 115-113, McCallum.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑19 Nov 2019, 13:03 Mike McCallum vs Herol Graham.

It seemed that when McCallum fought Sumbu Kalambay the first time, he was not that strong and very slow and sluggish. Was it the fact that he had to jump 6 pounds to 160? Or was it Kalambay fought a perfect fight?

Because in this fight with Graham, he is completely different. This fight happened after 4 tune up fights at Middleweight. Here, the Jamaican Body Snatcher looked strong, sharp and fast in his delivery of punches against an awkward but effective boxer. Graham from England was a southpaw boxer with great lateral movement, good jab and a straight right hand lead. The problem that I was watching of him in this fight was that he was keeping his hands way too low!

McCallum solved the puzzle against an awkward stylist southpaw and won a close split decision. I scored it 115-113, McCallum.

Mike McCallum wins the vacant WBA World Middleweight Championship.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑19 Nov 2019, 00:41

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 19:57
What evidence do we have of this alleged conversation even happening?

Check it out in YouTube. It's an interview with Mike McCallum

Your point. You provide it here and I'll have a listen.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑30 May 2019, 00:09 We're going to examine the career of every great boxer of my list of the top 100 greatest fighters ever. We're going to talk about their fights and record.

Are we? Is this gonna take a long time?

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 01:31

elmersalsa wrote: ↑30 May 2019, 00:09 We're going to examine the career of every great boxer of my list of the top 100 greatest fighters ever. We're going to talk about their fights and record.

Are we? Is this gonna take a long time?

We are learning, ain't we?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 07:35

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 01:31

Are we? Is this gonna take a long time?

We are learning, ain't we?

We sure are!

elmersalsa wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 13:23

elmersalsa wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 12:35

After 7 rounds, The Hitman seldom stopped an opponent. It goes harder for him after 7 rounds to stop someone.

Hearns KO ratio after 7 rounds: 16%
Hearns KO ratio under 7 rounds: 82%

Did you just make these numbers up?
Hearns had 27 fights that went more than 7 rounds. He scored 9 stoppages. That's 33.3%.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 11:44

elmersalsa wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 13:23

Hearns KO ratio after 7 rounds: 16%
Hearns KO ratio under 7 rounds: 82%

Did you just make these numbers up?
Hearns had 27 fights that went more than 7 rounds. He scored 9 stoppages. That's 33.3%.

The Hitman had 8 knockout wins after the 7th round. Out of his 48 KO wins, I divided 8 out of 48. The result is 16%

elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 13:32

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 11:44

Did you just make these numbers up?
Hearns had 27 fights that went more than 7 rounds. He scored 9 stoppages. That's 33.3%.

The Hitman had 8 knockout wins after the 7th round. Out of his 48 KO wins, I divided 8 out of 48. The result is 16%

Not how you'd do it.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 13:45

elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 13:32
The Hitman had 8 knockout wins after the 7th round. Out of his 48 KO wins, I divided 8 out of 48. The result is 16%

Not how you'd do it.

Then, how would you do it? Let me learn. Can I?

% of KO's in fights that went longer than 7 rounds only.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 16:35 % of KO's in fights that went longer than 7 rounds only.

Well, out of his 48 knockout wins, Hearns had only 8 fights that he won by knockout after the 7th round. I just divide 8 into 48 and gives me 16.7%.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 18:17

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 16:35 % of KO's in fights that went longer than 7 rounds only.

Well, out of his 48 knockout wins, Hearns had only 8 fights that he won by knockout after the 7th round. I just divide 8 into 48 and gives me 16.7%.

That is meaningless with regards to carrying power late. What % of fights over 7 rounds did he ko his opponent is meaningful. Just saying bruh. If a guy has 100 fights. KO's 99 in first round and one in the 8th is it telling to say he only ko's 1% of fights over 7 rounds??? C'mon man.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 18:17

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Nov 2019, 16:35 % of KO's in fights that went longer than 7 rounds only.

Well, out of his 48 knockout wins, Hearns had only 8 fights that he won by knockout after the 7th round. I just divide 8 into 48 and gives me 16.7%.

Lmao, it's the number of fights dimwit not that your point means.anything.

Would love to know how many grades he got through in school. Someone shows him his stupid math mistake, and he still goes on and says this is how he does it.

His sheer stupidity is unbelievable. He doesn't understand logic at all. He has no ability to comprehend simple points that other people make. He doesn't understand math at all. Not only that, he doesn't even try. Just babbles on with his constant nonsense.