Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs. Tom Schwarz - June 15, 2019

[Onetimeonly]

This is why I like you. You are an asshole.
It's your charm

Thank you. These auto phones have ruined grammar and spelling for all of us but a phrase like that you should always be careful with.

[Finkel]

It's you're sweetheart.

Yeah, I know. It was an intentional error for comedic effect

But thanks

[jamamb]

we all so stoopid

[Onetimeonly]

Yeah, I know. It was an intentional error for comedic effect

But thanks

Of course, hilarious.

[ironbeard]

So it's quite easy for me to show you that it WAS a dirty card. There are a combination factors which should be quite easy to follow, and when put together should leave no doubt.

I’m using data from here: https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/deontay ... tyson-fury

We can look at it at three levels:
1. The overall margin of the victory scored by Rochin.
2. Rochin gave the first 4 rounds to Wilder
3. Rochin gave round 3 to Wilder

1. Of the different publications listed that covered the fight, there was a mix of US, British and international publications. Some will have been biased toward Fury, some will have been biased toward Wilder. Not one of them scored the fight more than 114-112 in favor of Wilder. Rochin scored it 115-111 Wilder.

2. Of 85 fans cards that were submitted to the above website, only one gave Wilder all four of the opening rounds. That card gave Wilder a 116-110 win. It could be suggested that was submitted by a very pro “wilder fan.” Rochin gave Wilder the first 4 rounds.

3A. When that sample of 85 fan cards was averaged round on round, Round 3 had a score of 0.97 in favour of Fury, and 0.02 in favour of Wilder. Rochin gave round 3 to Wilder.

Yes, you could argue that fan cards are self-selecting, and so we cannot say how many were or were not Fury fans. So instead we can turn to the punch stats for round 3:

3B. In the third round Wilder landed 4/31 punches. Fury landed 11/30. This was a busy round for Fury. Punch volume was almost identical, but Fury significantly outlanded Wilder (nearly 3 to 1). Therefore, we can ignore this idea of recording error; additionally, there is no excuse for either missing or interpreting one or two punches as landing in favor of Wilder as a way to give him the round. Again, Rochin gave round 3 to Wilder.

Taking all of the above into consideration, I think you are on the wrong side of things if you continue to say that fight was called fairly.

So, the bottom line is Rochin submitted a dirty card.

No boxing fan should be accepting that. Though I can appreciate your position...All this talk about Fury’s fans annoying you by talking about masterclasses, or others disliking Fury’s mugging and waving his arms around is only muddying the water. It was a dirty card. It was a robbery.

Obsessed much? Yes or no.

[gilgamesh]

I'm pretty sure that upon my first viewing of Fury vs Wilder, I had Wilder winning some of those early rounds that I later scored for Fury upon rewatching it.

Fact is, that mugging for the crowd, showboaty, sticking your arms out, acting like a clown sh*t doesn't impress some judges. Boxing purists don't like that sh*t, and you likely have to be particularly impressive if you're going to be doing that kinda thing because if all is even between the two fighters, and one of them WASN'T acting like a jerkoff, you're gonna score it for him.

It's just human nature that these sorta things affect somebody when watching a fight.

Being aware of it more myself I can keep it in mind, and keep it from affecting my score now, but some people don't have the ability to be that honest with themselves, and will continue focusing intentionally or unintentionally on bias' of that nature.

[Finkel]

Of course, hilarious.

I thought it was quite the good effort after 3 hours of drinking games.

It had two layers to it:
At one level, i'm calling them stupid, whilst making myself look stupid through a basic grammar error;
At a deeper level, their back and forth was extremely pedantic; and what is more pedantic than someone's inner grammar nazi that it would surely trigger a response from?


Anyway I guess not

[Finkel]

I'm pretty sure that upon my first viewing of Fury vs Wilder, I had Wilder winning some of those early rounds that I later scored for Fury upon rewatching it.

Fact is, that mugging for the crowd, showboaty, sticking your arms out, acting like a clown sh*t doesn't impress some judges. Boxing purists don't like that sh*t, and you likely have to be particularly impressive if you're going to be doing that kinda thing because if all is even between the two fighters, and one of them WASN'T acting like a jerkoff, you're gonna score it for him.

It's just human nature that these sorta things affect somebody when watching a fight.

Being aware of it more myself I can keep it in mind, and keep it from affecting my score now, but some people don't have the ability to be that honest with themselves, and will continue focusing intentionally or unintentionally on bias' of that nature.

I completely agree, and I was trying to acknowledge that on a personal fan level it might not be to everyone's taste. But again this was a professional score card in a major world title fight; which begs the question is it really a valid excuse for Rochin to say "I didn't like his antics, so I took it upon myself to deduct points"?

Because again, giving the first 4 to Wilder is truly inexplicable, and the final score of 115-111 demonstrates open bias.

I saw someone explain it quite well, that if you were going to rig a card, but not have it turn out like the infamous Byrd card, you would have to do it in the early rounds. They went further to say that if Rochin was purely favouring aggression, the Mexican judge went on to change his judging style half way through the fight based on his scoring of later rounds. But that is still subjective conjecture/analysis.

Which is why I stuck to stastics to make my point.

I stand by the statement that Rochin was always going to turn in a dirty card.

[gilgamesh]

Alright then. I don't see it that way, but if you see it that way I'm not gonna say you're wrong. I don't honestly care either way in this case as it really didn't feel like a fight where one man CLEARLY won. So the draw is fair enough to me.

[Finkel]

Ok, let's agree to disagree

[gilgamesh]

Can't do it. Might have to start working out, and get all Cape Fear about it. I just can't see how I can let a thing like this go