Joe Joyce vs. Daniel Dubois - 28 November 2020

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Kilburn]

I’m rooting for Joyce while recognising Dubois is a rightful favourite.

Joyce has obvious shortcomings but I can’t help but feel it’s a matter of time before DD gets his legs stiffened. Maybe this is one of those fights that does neither any favours in terms of future prospects.

[ash1601]

I fancy Joyce too. Think his experience will shine through.

[oogiebe]

I'm wondering if this will turn into Foreman/Lyle.

[Kilburn]

Hah or Bowe v Golota.

[Grilling Machine]

Dubois' young, but he's also the type to peak early, and I think he's physically ready for Joshua if he beats Joyce. I'd give him a real chance against AJ, too. And if that happened this year and he lost he'd have gained vital experience, which he lacks a lot more than mental aptitude and strength. Dub-AJ's a 50:50 for me right now.

I also think he'd be a serious threat to Fury, and I'd only keep him away from Wilder on account of Deontay's combination of handspeed and power.

He might come unstuck at the top level, 'course he might, but I really like how he's quietly ready for challenges, and we've seen so many fighters lose that hunger as their profiles increase and they start fearing losses. So I think he's ideally placed to have a crack at some major upsets if he's given the chance, and I'd probably favour him to win those if he beats Joyce.

We don't have much of a upper layer in heavyweight class at the minute, as shown by Chisora's extended gatekeeping career. I don't see much point in Dub fighting the likes of Ruiz and Parker if he beats Joyce handily. Whyte could make sense as a springboard, but that's down to marketing more than progression.

You can all remind me of this if Lurch does the business!

[ScottDetonator]

Have we got a PPV price yet? Another £25 from BT?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Have we got a PPV price yet? Another £25 from BT?

If THIS is ppv, it should genuinely be £16.95

Honest opinion.

[Gnome]

Went to the bookies today, got 7/1 on Joyce by KO. I think that's good value, thoughts?

[3132DW]

Have we got a PPV price yet? Another £25 from BT?

If THIS is ppv, it should genuinely be £16.95

Honest opinion.

It’s definately PPV - it will be £19.95 probably at standard rate.

Fury is £24.95. Because Sky shafted BT buy bidding so BT had to match meaning they’ll make next to nothing from the fight probably.

[Grilling Machine]

Went to the bookies today, got 7/1 on Joyce by KO. I think that's good value, thoughts?

Sounds all right, but I'm inclined to agree with that price because I don't fancy it. Be nice if it comes in.

If I were to bet on Joyce by KO, I'd put most of it on 10-12 with the rest on 7-9.

[Gnome]

Went to the bookies today, got 7/1 on Joyce by KO. I think that's good value, thoughts?

Sounds all right, but I'm inclined to agree with that price because I don't fancy it. Be nice if it comes in.

If I were to bet on Joyce by KO, I'd put most of it on 10-12 with the rest on 7-9.

I'm inclined to agree. Dubois seems to have a half decent chin but I feel the juggernaut will grind him down over the long haul.

[Grilling Machine]

You might be right if it's pace rather than punches that wear Dubois down by the midpoint. Lartey ran out of batteries despite his early power.

Have you looked at Joyce's record lately, though? If you discount an old Stiverne there's not a puncher on there. Lartey's a bit of a standout as the only one who's landed serious leather on either man.

[Gnome]

You might be right if it's pace rather than punches that wear Dubois down by the midpoint. Lartey ran out of batteries despite his early power.

Have you looked at Joyce's record lately, though? If you discount an old Stiverne there's not a puncher on there. Lartey's a bit of a standout as the only one who's landed serious leather on either man.

Didn't Jennings have a good go at Joyce?

[Grilling Machine]

I don't remember much happening, and I don't fancy watching it again! It's on YouTube for braver souls:



Jennings landed here and there IIRC, but he's never been a puncher.

[margaret thatcher]

Richard Lartey is too much of a can crusher to call a puncher really either tbh

[KiwiRider]

Richard Lartey is too much of a can crusher to call a puncher really either tbh

True. But if a guy like that can land flush like he did, it bodes well for Joyce. I lost a fair %age of faith in DD as a decent prospect after that fight. I thought if Lartey can land almost at will, then it doesn't matter how good DD's chin is, he will get broken up and knocked out by the first puncher with an engine, and a bit of movement.
Enter Joe Joyce. He isn't the fastest mover, he isn't the hardest puncher, he doesn't have the highest punch output- but he is incrementally better in all those areas than Lartey.

[margaret thatcher]

I don't remember much happening, and I don't fancy watching it again! It's on YouTube for braver souls:



Jennings landed here and there IIRC, but he's never been a puncher.

Defo hurt Slow Joe to the body in round 1

[margaret thatcher]

Richard Lartey is too much of a can crusher to call a puncher really either tbh

True. But if a guy like that can land flush like he did, it bodes well for Joyce. I lost a fair %age of faith in DD as a decent prospect after that fight. I thought if Lartey can land almost at will, then it doesn't matter how good DD's chin is, he will get broken up and knocked out by the first puncher with an engine, and a bit of movement.
Enter Joe Joyce. He isn't the fastest mover, he isn't the hardest puncher, he doesn't have the highest punch output- but he is incrementally better in all those areas than Lartey.

Wow, don't even think Dub is a decent prospect? Strongly disagree, and you can look at a lot of very good fighters who had not very good performances or downright struggles early on

I'd say it's also pretty common for fighters to get open vs totally overmatched opposition

Molasses is certainly his best opponent, that''s true, though to me Dubs just looks like a superior fighter

[jameswilson]

Went to the bookies today, got 7/1 on Joyce by KO. I think that's good value, thoughts?

That is outstanding value on a silver medalist who thumps like a mule.

[Cyclops]

Went to the bookies today, got 7/1 on Joyce by KO. I think that's good value, thoughts?

That is outstanding value on a silver medalist who thumps like a mule.

I’ve got money on Joyce KO too. It’s good value. People are way too high on DD at the moment. Hasn’t somebody posted Dubois vs AJ is a 50/50 fight on here just recently? I think he’s good but there’s no real proof; the Gorman win was impressive but he didn’t look anything special in there against Lartey, did he? I think there’s a good chance a solid experienced fighter like Joyce could get him out of there.

[jameswilson]

Worth pointing out you can get 15/2 on paddy power and Betfair for the Joyce KO.

[Coco]

Really intriguing fight. During the Gorman win Dubois looked a million dollars. Of course at this point Gorman is still quite unproven.
Joyce on the other hand is huge with great amateur pedigree. Despite often looking slow and awkward etc he is still the type who will be difficult to beat, he lasts the course too.

[KiwiRider]

True. But if a guy like that can land flush like he did, it bodes well for Joyce. I lost a fair %age of faith in DD as a decent prospect after that fight. I thought if Lartey can land almost at will, then it doesn't matter how good DD's chin is, he will get broken up and knocked out by the first puncher with an engine, and a bit of movement.
Enter Joe Joyce. He isn't the fastest mover, he isn't the hardest puncher, he doesn't have the highest punch output- but he is incrementally better in all those areas than Lartey.

Wow, don't even think Dub is a decent prospect? Strongly disagree, and you can look at a lot of very good fighters who had not very good performances or downright struggles early on

I'd say it's also pretty common for fighters to get open vs totally overmatched opposition

Molasses is certainly his best opponent, that''s true, though to me Dubs just looks like a superior fighter

I lost a % of faith in him as a prospect. I still think he is a genuine prospect, it's just that after the Dick Farty fight, I'm not as hot on DD as I was prior.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The BrItish scene is really gonna be on fire after this one takes place.

It’s a shame half the fights can’t actually be made.