What is your p4p top 20 ever in order, take time

[lazboy]

I’m happy to defend my opinion in that board too.
The can “laugh“ all they want, if what you say is true (which I doubt), but they can’t provide a single shred of evidence to disprove anything I’ve claimed.

You can’t, others can’t... so I guess that’s pretty funny!

The only "shred" necessary is a shred of toilet paper to wipe up all the bullshite you post.

LOL! Pretty funny man (and true).

[oogiebe]

The only "shred" necessary is a shred of toilet paper to wipe up all the bullshite you post.

LOL! Pretty funny man (and true).

What do you think he does for a living? I've been trying to imagine what it could be.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

LOL! Pretty funny man (and true).

What do you think he does for a living? I've been trying to imagine what it could be.

He saud he has colleagues in other countries. My guess is tech support position at major company.

[oogiebe]

What do you think he does for a living? I've been trying to imagine what it could be.

He saud he has colleagues in other countries. My guess is tech support position at major company.

Phone support.

[lazboy]

LOL! Pretty funny man (and true).

What do you think he does for a living? I've been trying to imagine what it could be.

If he is working....something with numbers and little human interaction. You can tell he's not a professional as he constantly waffles. Being concise is a professional skill.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Nah he has a superiority complex a lot of computer coders have. That and his binary thinking lead me to think tech support/programming type job.

[lazboy]

Nah he has a superiority complex a lot of computer coders have. That and his binary thinking lead me to think tech support/programming type job.

Seems plausible. IT and/or numbers type positions seem about right. Whatever it is, it mustn't be fulfilling.

Anyway I'm not a psychologist...all I know is - there's something wrong with that boy.

[oogiebe]

Nah he has a superiority complex a lot of computer coders have. That and his binary thinking lead me to think tech support/programming type job.

Seems plausible. IT and/or numbers type positions seem about right. Whatever it is, it mustn't be fulfilling.

Anyway I'm not a psychologist...all I know is - there's something wrong with that boy.

No doubt.

[Enlightened-One]

Seems plausible. IT and/or numbers type positions seem about right. Whatever it is, it mustn't be fulfilling.

Anyway I'm not a psychologist...all I know is - there's something wrong with that boy.

No doubt.

And yet oogiebe, you can’t answer ANY simple questions about YOUR OWN video YOU posted.

Not even ONE!

You’ve resorted to insults, because YOU can’t defend YOUR OWN claims!

[oogiebe]

No doubt.

And yet oogiebe, you can’t answer ANY simple questions about YOUR OWN video YOU posted.

Not even ONE!

You’ve resorted to insults, because YOU can’t defend YOUR OWN claims!

What claim? I shared a video and made no claims. You are pathetic and redundent.

[gilgamesh]

Oi, what's all this then?

[oogiebe]

Oi, what's all this then?

Verlecht at it again.

[gilgamesh]

What's your point?

The point is, very little is known about Harry Greb.

Even some of the well-known old-timers appear to know very little about him. It’s all about third hand knowledge.

Every time I read/hear about someone talking about Greb, the goalposts keep moving, there’s very little consistency. Your video proved that.

And the yet, people sincerely believe that a fighter they’ve never even saw fight, is capable of beating today’s top dogs.

I can easily and quickly quote several posts illustrating this point if you haven’t been paying attention.

Alright let's see.

He's the only guy that ever defeated Gene Tunney, A feat which 67 other opponents including Jack Dempsey twice, failed to accomplish.

He beat the great Mickey Walker, impressive in and of itself. Even more impressive when you factor in that he beat the well regarded, and completely different style of Maxie Rosenbloom a mere 2 weeks later.

He beat Jimmy Slattery when Slats was 48-1 coming in, about 2 weeks after beating the great Tiger Flowers in a close bout.

He beat the great Tommy Loughran twice in the same month in January 1923. Once in a 10 rounder, once in a 15 rounder, and he also managed to beat guys named Bob Roper and Billy Shade that same month. That's right I said month.

He beat Tommy Gibbons (one of only 4 men to do so officially in a 61 bout career)

All told he has 259 wins Newspaper decisions and all included, 107-8-3 with 48 KO's officially. And apparently 142 victories unofficially.

170 or so of his these had come BEFORE these great feats I mentioned at the top.

So yeah...he was pretty great.

[oogiebe]

The point is, very little is known about Harry Greb.

Even some of the well-known old-timers appear to know very little about him. It’s all about third hand knowledge.

Every time I read/hear about someone talking about Greb, the goalposts keep moving, there’s very little consistency. Your video proved that.

And the yet, people sincerely believe that a fighter they’ve never even saw fight, is capable of beating today’s top dogs.

I can easily and quickly quote several posts illustrating this point if you haven’t been paying attention.

Alright let's see.

He's the only guy that ever defeated Gene Tunney, A feat which 67 other opponents including Jack Dempsey twice, failed to accomplish.

He beat the great Mickey Walker, impressive in and of itself. Even more impressive when you factor in that he beat the well regarded, and completely different style of Maxie Rosenbloom a mere 2 weeks later.

He beat Jimmy Slattery when Slats was 48-1 coming in, about 2 weeks after beating the great Tiger Flowers in a close bout.

He beat the great Tommy Loughran twice in the same month in January 1923. Once in a 10 rounder, once in a 15 rounder, and he also managed to beat guys named Bob Roper and Billy Shade that same month. That's right I said month.

He beat Tommy Gibbons (one of only 4 men to do so officially in a 61 bout career)

All told he has 259 wins Newspaper decisions and all included, 107-8-3 with 48 KO's officially. And apparently 142 victories unofficially.

170 or so of his these had come BEFORE these great feats I mentioned at the top.

So yeah...he was pretty great.

Yeah, but you never saw him. You never saw Alexander the Great either. Maybe he was a crappy leader.

[gilgamesh]

You don't compile a record like that fighting the best of the best of your era unless you're a tough motherf*cker, and he fought the best of the best week in and week out. Guys these days, they take a tuneup fight in between tough fights right. Maybe 4 months after their last fight they'll fight a tuneup, and then another big fight 6 months later.

Greb would often have 2 big fights in a month, and 2 or 3 tuneups in the same month for f*cks sake.

Do you really need footage to know that such a man was obviously a tough as nails guy that would be a problem for anybody?

He was only ever stopped twice. Both in his early years as a fighter, and never stopped again for the final decade of his career, on the rare occasions when he lost it was usually a split decision or something of that nature. He was seldom ever decisively beaten.

It's our great loss as Boxing fans that there's footage of him, but the people he beat, and the rate and consistency with which he did it can't be questioned. He had to have been a great fighter to do what he did.

Hell you throw him into the modern era where he actually gets to rest, and take time off, and get a full 2 or 3 month training camp paid for one big multi million dollar fight, he'd possibly have been even better.

But who's to say.

I'd like to see a guy come along, and just kinda fight 2 or 3 times a month just for the hell of it, but it's probably not even possible to replicate the kinda things these guys did unfortunately.

[oogiebe]

You don't compile a record like that fighting the best of the best of your era unless you're a tough motherf*cker, and he fought the best of the best week in and week out. Guys these days, they take a tuneup fight in between tough fights right. Maybe 4 months after their last fight they'll fight a tuneup, and then another big fight 6 months later.

Greb would often have 2 big fights in a month, and 2 or 3 tuneups in the same month for f*cks sake.

Do you really need footage to know that such a man was obviously a tough as nails guy that would be a problem for anybody?

He was only ever stopped twice. Both in his early years as a fighter, and never stopped again for the final decade of his career, on the rare occasions when he lost it was usually a split decision or something of that nature. He was seldom ever decisively beaten.

It's our great loss as Boxing fans that there's footage of him, but the people he beat, and the rate and consistency with which he did it can't be questioned. He had to have been a great fighter to do what he did.

Hell you throw him into the modern era where he actually gets to rest, and take time off, and get a full 2 or 3 month training camp paid for one big multi million dollar fight, he'd possibly have been even better.

But who's to say.

I'd like to see a guy come along, and just kinda fight 2 or 3 times a month just for the hell of it, but it's probably not even possible to replicate the kinda things these guys did unfortunately.

You don't have to convince me.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I dont think his argument is totally without merit. Sure he was great 100 years ago but would he hold water today? Thats a reasonable (i think wrong) thought

His issue is when he argues something he does it in such a poor, confrontational, yes or no, just the facts mam insufferable fashion that it hurts his argument. Hes so convinced hes the smartest person in the room he immediately turns everyone against him.

[oogiebe]

I dont think his argument is totally without merit. Sure he was great 100 years ago but would he hold water today? Thats a reasonable (i think wrong) thought

His issue is when he argues something he does it in such a poor, confrontational, yes or no, just the facts mam insufferable fashion that it hurts his argument. Hes so convinced hes the smartest person in the room he immediately turns everyone against him.

You are correct. The worst thing about his behaviour is IF he makes a good point, it will equally be met with scorn.

[lazboy]

Let's stick to the subject please: EO's workplace.

To the left and right of his computer screen are two framed photographs. One is of Eubank jr and the other, Hughie Fury.
To the far right there is an miniature replica Olympic podium. Sitting on the podium is a imprinted white coffee mug, reading Boxrec #1 Poster (undefeated).

Eo's cubicle is a safe place for him. When he ventures out, the whispering starts. "What happened to his mother?" "Why did he sell the Bates motel?" "Does it have genitalia?"

He generally stays in the cubicles safe confines - holding in his urine - at times this gets very painful but he avoids the common rabble and gossip. He is above that sort of nonsense and just wants to be left alone to do his important work. His daily visor is the mailman. He hates the mailman who reminds him of Terrence Crawford.

[oogiebe]

Let's stick to the subject please: EO's workplace.

To the left and right of his computer screen are two framed photographs. One is of Eubank jr and the other, Hughie Fury.
To the far right there is an miniature replica Olympic podium. Sitting on the podium is a imprinted white coffee mug, reading Boxrec #1 Poster (undefeated).

Eo's cubicle is a safe place for him. When he ventures out, the whispering starts. "What happened to his mother?" "Why did he sell the Bates motel?" "Does it have genitalia?"

He generally stays in the cubicles safe confines - holding in his urine - at times this gets very painful but he avoids the common rabble and gossip. He is above that sort of nonsense and just wants to be left alone to do his important work. His daily visor is the mailman. He hates the mailman who reminds him of Terrence Crawford.

LMFAO!!!!!

[H8Usernames]

Any P4P list that contains a Mayweather name above a RJJr name is severely misinformed.

[Counter-puncher]

Let's stick to the subject please: EO's workplace.

To the left and right of his computer screen are two framed photographs. One is of Eubank jr and the other, Hughie Fury.
To the far right there is an miniature replica Olympic podium. Sitting on the podium is a imprinted white coffee mug, reading Boxrec #1 Poster (undefeated).

Eo's cubicle is a safe place for him. When he ventures out, the whispering starts. "What happened to his mother?" "Why did he sell the Bates motel?" "Does it have genitalia?"

He generally stays in the cubicles safe confines - holding in his urine - at times this gets very painful but he avoids the common rabble and gossip. He is above that sort of nonsense and just wants to be left alone to do his important work. His daily visor is the mailman. He hates the mailman who reminds him of Terrence Crawford.

hahahahaha

[candyslim]

You don't compile a record like that fighting the best of the best of your era unless you're a tough motherf*cker, and he fought the best of the best week in and week out. Guys these days, they take a tuneup fight in between tough fights right. Maybe 4 months after their last fight they'll fight a tuneup, and then another big fight 6 months later.

Greb would often have 2 big fights in a month, and 2 or 3 tuneups in the same month for f*cks sake.

Do you really need footage to know that such a man was obviously a tough as nails guy that would be a problem for anybody?

He was only ever stopped twice. Both in his early years as a fighter, and never stopped again for the final decade of his career, on the rare occasions when he lost it was usually a split decision or something of that nature. He was seldom ever decisively beaten.

It's our great loss as Boxing fans that there's footage of him, but the people he beat, and the rate and consistency with which he did it can't be questioned. He had to have been a great fighter to do what he did.

Hell you throw him into the modern era where he actually gets to rest, and take time off, and get a full 2 or 3 month training camp paid for one big multi million dollar fight, he'd possibly have been even better.

But who's to say.

I'd like to see a guy come along, and just kinda fight 2 or 3 times a month just for the hell of it, but it's probably not even possible to replicate the kinda things these guys did unfortunately.

That's a fine post Gil and a perfect antidote to all the nonsense spouted by EO in his incessant obsession with self-validation. I'm no expert on Harry Greb but I know enough to know that he was a remarkable fighter. Whether he could have beaten a Hagler or a Mayweather it's impossible to know.

Why disrespect the only man to ever beat Gene Tunney and who beat up Jack Dempsey in sparring. How many middleweights of the modern era are likely to do that to Briedis or Gassiev, never mind Usyk?

I don't need to have seen Harry Greb to know he was an incredible fighter, any more than I need to have seen footage of Thomas "Stonewall"Jackson in action, to know he was a great general.

[Onetimeonly]

Any P4P list that contains a Mayweather name above a RJJr name is severely misinformed.

Actually, correct.

[gilgamesh]

Any P4P list that contains a Mayweather name above a RJJr name is severely misinformed.

Actually, correct.

Yeah I mean, I'd rank him ahead of Roy by quite a bit actually.