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Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 17:29
by Cyclops
Here's something I've been thinking recently, just because Pulev has scalped Chisora and Hughie over the past couple of years, and was a solid top 10 boxer in his prime:
Pulev is not the walkover everyone thinks he is and AJ is going to have to work to get that win.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 18:16
by margaret thatcher
Pulev's not bad (nice jab...maybe take a lesson air jab Hughie) but I feel his chin up style and attributes are made for a big Josh klit style KO
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 18:54
by Gnome
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 18:16
Pulev's not bad (nice jab...maybe take a lesson air jab Hughie) but I feel his chin up style and attributes are made for a big Josh klit style KO
I agree, Joshua could well do a demolition job on him if he gets macho he did against Klitschko, if he wants to stand a chance he needs to box clever.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 08:08
by Ruthless-RKO
Wilder's costume did impact his performance against Fury, but it's all his own fault.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 09:14
by Glass Joe
i give wilder a great chance in the 3rd fight due to tyson inactivity and wilder power and new trainer also life always likes to spoil things.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 09:42
by maverick23
Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 08:19
Ben Davison is an excellent boxing trainer.
Hi Ben.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 09:46
by Cyclops
Cyclops wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 17:29
Here's something I've been thinking recently, just because Pulev has scalped Chisora and Hughie over the past couple of years, and was a solid top 10 boxer in his prime:
Pulev is not the walkover everyone thinks he is and AJ is going to have to work to get that win.
Well this aged well.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 10:05
by JamesPhilips
Herol Graham is overrated. He had 3 title shots and lost them all. And got kod by tough but not spectacular Frank Grant. Unpopular but I think reasonable
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 10:22
by maverick23
Most of us probably do!
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 11:19
by Ruthless-RKO
Glass Joe wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 09:14
i give wilder a great chance in the 3rd fight due to tyson inactivity and wilder power and new trainer also life always likes to spoil things.
Wilder has had the same inactivity though.
At least Fuy's kept fit.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 11:20
by Ruthless-RKO
Gnome wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 18:54
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jun 2020, 18:16
Pulev's not bad (nice jab...maybe take a lesson air jab Hughie) but I feel his chin up style and attributes are made for a big Josh klit style KO
I agree, Joshua could well do a demolition job on him if he gets macho he did against Klitschko, if he wants to stand a chance he needs to box clever.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 12:46
by Glass Joe
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 11:19
Glass Joe wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 09:14
i give wilder a great chance in the 3rd fight due to tyson inactivity and wilder power and new trainer also life always likes to spoil things.
Wilder has had the same inactivity though.
At least Fuy's kept fit.
Wilder been fighting bears in the woods.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 12:49
by margaret thatcher
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 10:05
Herol Graham is overrated. He had 3 title shots and lost them all. And got kod by tough but not spectacular Frank Grant. Unpopular but I think reasonable
he's talked about like he's an atg
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 12:53
by JamesPhilips
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 12:49
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 10:05
Herol Graham is overrated. He had 3 title shots and lost them all. And got kod by tough but not spectacular Frank Grant. Unpopular but I think reasonable
he's talked about like he's an atg
Right. Three shots at a world title and also lost to Kalambay for European title.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 12:54
by Ruthless-RKO
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 12:53
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 12:49
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 10:05
Herol Graham is overrated. He had 3 title shots and lost them all. And got kod by tough but not spectacular Frank Grant. Unpopular but I think reasonable
he's talked about like he's an atg
Right. Three shots at a world title and also lost to Kalambay for European title.
Yeh, it's like saying Martin Murray is an ATG..
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 12:57
by JamesPhilips
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 12:54
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 12:53
Right. Three shots at a world title and also lost to Kalambay for European title.
Yeh, it's like saying Martin Murray is an ATG..
Lol surely not that bad, lol!
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 13:05
by handsofstone
Not an opinion as such but if Honeyghan's win over Curry was so great because he was p4p No1 at the time, how come i never see Donald Curry anywhere near ATG lists??
Ive seen Curry a few times and of course he was a great fighter but the only time anyone mentions his greatness is in reference to Lloyd Honeyghan
Ive seen Curry 4 times, Honeyghan, Nunn, Norris and McCallum, he got knocked out by all 4
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 13:15
by TheLeprechaun
handsofstone wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 13:05
Not an opinion as such but if Honeyghan's win over Curry was so great because he was p4p No1 at the time, how come i never see Donald Curry anywhere near ATG lists??
Ive seen Curry a few times and of course he was a great fighter but the only time anyone mentions his greatness is in reference to Lloyd Honeyghan
Ive seen Curry 4 times, Honeyghan, Nunn, Norris and McCallum, he got knocked out by all 4
Curry was overrated in hindsight but at the time he was thought of like that. Mosley was p4p number 1 at one point. In hindsight he was just an overrated slugger with a lot of athleticism.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 13:36
by margaret thatcher
yep
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 13:39
by margaret thatcher
he was very good, though i think he's one of the weaker hof-ers
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 14:04
by margaret thatcher
better than gatti, though bowe has a much bigger win than anything curry has
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 15:05
by orbtastic
He was an outstanding amateur, going reportedly 400-4 or something. The US boycott of Moscow denied him the chance of a medal.
He was clearly very good but had weight issues that basically caused his career to implode and he lost all the big ones after.
People overlook the two wins over starling who was probably the best post curry welterweight for some time.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 15:10
by margaret thatcher
Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 15:01
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 14:04
better than gatti, though bowe has a much bigger win than anything curry has
He beat the number #1 in the division, then did very little else. Plenty of guys in lower weight classes have done that and they aren't in the international boxing hall of fame
an atg, top 10 hw is who he beat, and did so twice. really a fanstastic set of wins. he did beat some b level guys too. there are guys who've done a lot who aren't in , and guys who've not done so much who are in, just how it works out. either way,
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 15:10
by banjo
Curry had basically mopped up every credible challenge at welterweight at the time, two wins over Starling, cut Colin Jones up and obliterated McCrory. Maybe in hindsight it isn't as great a win as it felt at the time but it was still a terrific achievement by Lloyd.
Re: Unpopular opinions
Posted: 28 May 2021, 15:10
by margaret thatcher
orbtastic wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 15:05
He was an outstanding amateur, going reportedly 400-4 or something. The US boycott of Moscow denied him the chance of a medal.
He was clearly very good but had weight issues that basically caused his career to implode and he lost all the big ones after.
People overlook the two wins over starling who was probably the best post curry welterweight for some time.
the 400-4 is bogus, even going by a partial amateur record he has around 10 documented losses