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Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 12:36 I reckon Usyk wouldn’t mind stepping aside anyway, as long as he can get a guarantee at a shot at the winner within 18 months or so.

They are talking minimum 2 fights .. possibly 3 if it goes 1 win each; so that is very likely 18 months at least for Usyk to wait.

I dont see him agreeing to that without a very big step aside amount of money, and I dont blame him one little bit either. I doubt he wants to be taking too many fights at heavyweight without a big payday and title on the line.

Does anybody think that having Fury and Joshua holding all the belts for at least 18 months is good for heavyweight boxing? it kills the division because those at the top will not take any chances in case they come a cropper like Whyte did recently.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 12:36 I reckon Usyk wouldn’t mind stepping aside anyway, as long as he can get a guarantee at a shot at the winner within 18 months or so.

He made a statement a while ago saying he won't step aside.

tonyevs wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 15:36

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 12:36 I reckon Usyk wouldn’t mind stepping aside anyway, as long as he can get a guarantee at a shot at the winner within 18 months or so.

They are talking minimum 2 fights .. possibly 3 if it goes 1 win each; so that is very likely 18 months at least for Usyk to wait.

I dont see him agreeing to that without a very big step aside amount of money, and I dont blame him one little bit either. I doubt he wants to be taking too many fights at heavyweight without a big payday and title on the line.

Does anybody think that having Fury and Joshua holding all the belts for at least 18 months is good for heavyweight boxing? it kills the division because those at the top will not take any chances in case they come a cropper like Whyte did recently.

They don’t have to hold them for 18 months. Have someone holding all the belts and then there’s no argument and the winner can say they’re the first undisputed, sole champion in years.

As soon as the fight’s finished free up the WBO to keep Usyk happy.

Some interesting posts on here about how it all may pan out. I was going to joke that the ever obliging WBC would be happy to create more belts and then I realised that they actually, really would do just that, given half the chance. I know we already have the different tiers of world champ within the WBC, not sure if they still operate their franchise or emeritus versions too. I'd not really considered the first two fights with Fury and Joshua ending up one all, thus requiring the rubber match, but that could happen. No way the sanctioning bodies can stand by and not fxxk about printing more belts in that time.

With potentially 3 £100 million pound fights - the sanctioning bodies will want their cut of it.

I am all for the unifications. Just not milking it with 2-3 fights in succession.

J-C wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 15:58

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 12:36 I reckon Usyk wouldn’t mind stepping aside anyway, as long as he can get a guarantee at a shot at the winner within 18 months or so.

He made a statement a while ago saying he won't step aside.

I stand corrected. That’s a shame.

tonyevs wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 16:14 With potentially 3 £100 million pound fights - the sanctioning bodies will want their cut of it.

I am all for the unifications. Just not milking it with 2-3 fights in succession.

Yh, it’s not like Ali-Frazier had all 3 back to back.

And plenty other..

Blooming rematch clauses - they can be terrible. If there is a decisive winner between Fury and Joshua then I would rather see Usyk vs the winner than a rematch. I'm sure Usyk will take side step money for one fight - but for 3 - no chance and you don't blame him, he's not as young as that either.

The Usyk vs Joyce winner (assuming it is that) would be the only relatively intriguing fight for the winner now.

tonyevs wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 15:36

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 12:36 I reckon Usyk wouldn’t mind stepping aside anyway, as long as he can get a guarantee at a shot at the winner within 18 months or so.

They are talking minimum 2 fights .. possibly 3 if it goes 1 win each; so that is very likely 18 months at least for Usyk to wait.

I dont see him agreeing to that without a very big step aside amount of money, and I dont blame him one little bit either. I doubt he wants to be taking too many fights at heavyweight without a big payday and title on the line.

Does anybody think that having Fury and Joshua holding all the belts for at least 18 months is good for heavyweight boxing? it kills the division because those at the top will not take any chances in case they come a cropper like Whyte did recently.

That 18 months would soon go , it's only 2 fights realistically .

Sort of think the more cautious Joshua is a better fighter. Lennox and Wlad became harder to beat when they adopted more cautious tactics.

I think sometimes people fail to give Joshua true credit for the win in the second Ruiz fight. He changed how he fought completely. Got in with a man who had just wiped him out. And it was as if the Sword of Damocles was hanging above him for the whole 12 rounds.

Wilder might be a better one shot puncher but Joshua is far more skilled and puts his punches together really well. I think he's a tough proposition for any HW.

Ezzard wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 17:20 Sort of think the more cautious Joshua is a better fighter. Lennox and Wlad became harder to beat when they adopted more cautious tactics.

I think sometimes people fail to give Joshua true credit for the win in the second Ruiz fight. He changed how he fought completely. Got in with a man who had just wiped him out. And it was as if the Sword of Damocles was hanging above him for the whole 12 rounds.

Wilder might be a better one shot puncher but Joshua is far more skilled and puts his punches together really well. I think he's a tough proposition for any HW.

There is also another interpretation whereby people paying for an expensive (£25) and massively hyped pay-per-view were genuinely disappointed in Joshua’s safety first approach against a badly out of condition and obese Ruiz. Joshua fought scared and Ruiz offered nothing. Sure it protected Joshua’s career but it didn’t entertain in what was a dreadfully dull fight.

Fury-Joshua: Hearn, Arum Have Positive Talk, Negotiations Begin

Eddie Hearn, promoter for IBF, IBO, WBA, WBO heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua, has already begun discussions for 2021 unification clash with WBC world champion Tyson Fury.

On Saturday at SSE Arena in Wembley, Joshua dropped mandatory challenger Kubrat Pulev four times to secure the knockout in the ninth round.

The next day, Hearn began working on the fight.

Hearn spoke to Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, works with Fury, on Sunday night.

"I had a good chat with [Bob Arum] him last night. It's positive," Hearn said during a Zoom conference call on Monday to discuss a number of topics. "I think we're all in the same position. We want to move forward with the fight, quickly as well, which is good news for fans.

"Just trying to solve any remaining issues of the fight, of which there aren't many, to be honest with you, and try and move forward collectively to let the governing bodies know that we plan to stage this fight probably in May, and we would like this to be for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world.

"A few small issues to iron out, but I think we can start look at drawing up contracts and try to get this moving. Here on both sides, every member of each team wants to do this fight. We all acknowledge this is the biggest fight in boxing, this is the best fight for both guys. This is for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world. Why are you in the sport, if you don't want this fight?"

There are two hurdles in the way of finalizing the deal.

Deontay Wilder has filed a legal action to enforce a rematch clause with Fury, who believes the contractual clause has expired. The two sides are in mediation.

"If you listen to Bob, that's not a problem," said Hearn. "He is a lawyer and he knows his contracts and he tells us that Tyson Fury is contractually free to take any fight he wants. I do believe Deontay Wilder is appealing that, in the US courts, but we don't expect that to be a problem."

And then there is Oleksandr Usyk, who holds the mandatory position under the WBO. Usyk is not willing to step aside and wants to fight Joshua in the first quarter of 2021.

"Ultimately the big issue for Anthony Joshua is he has a WBO mandatory now. We will be writing to the WBO to say you have an opportunity to be part of the biggest fight in boxing. One of the biggest fights in boxing history. Oleksandr Usyk is the WBO mandatory, we have to respect that, and the rules as well. We'll be speaking to him to make sure he's happy with a potential resolution," Hearn said.

"But for any reason Tyson Fury can't contractually fight Anthony Joshua, AJ will fight Oleksandr Usyk next. For us, Usyk is a great fighter, it's a great fight, there is only one name that we're focusing on and that is Tyson Fury."

Just listened to a allegedly interview on IFL from earlier. It got me thinking but what does Warren bring to the table to justify his % commission?

He wasn’t able to raise the funds to get Tyson to fight in the U.K. in December (after the date had already been announced), Arum and MTK seem to be handling the negotiations and he’s not even spoken to Tyson since AJ fought at the weekend which seems a bit strange.

Surely Tyson could get a deal directly with BT for the rights to his PPVs - especially as it looks like he won’t fight in the U.K. again unless it’s the Joshua rematch.

maverick23 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 08:29 Just listened to a allegedly interview on IFL from earlier. It got me thinking but what does Warren bring to the table to justify his % commission?

He wasn’t able to raise the funds to get Tyson to fight in the U.K. in December (after the date had already been announced), Arum and MTK seem to be handling the negotiations and he’s not even spoken to Tyson since AJ fought at the weekend which seems a bit strange.

Surely Tyson could get a deal directly with BT for the rights to his PPVs - especially as it looks like he won’t fight in the U.K. again unless it’s the Joshua rematch.

I always thought this. It seem's pointless..

Fury last fight in the UK (Belfast) in August 2018. He has fought 4 times in the US since.

Hearn seem's to be just talking to Arum or MTK. Even Fury says, speak to MTK... He never says speak to Frank..

Fury’s new t-shirt is a hit

Shhhh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 14:04

mickey1975 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 13:57

Shhhh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 13:52 Is a Tyson win rate of 85% too high?

Yes, and I’m the forums resident Fury fan.

Yeah I’m huge fury fan and expect him to win. My maths is not good but isn’t this like 6-1?

The fact that Fury is heavily favoured isn't a big surprise to me, but that Fury by KO has more than three times the votes as Joshua by KO does surprise me a lot.

The most logical outcome for this fight, to me at least, is Fury on points. With Joshua's best chance being by KO.

Prior to the second Wilder fight, Fury was seen by many as somewhat feather fisted, but now seems like people think he is a beast. In reality he is somewhere in between.

Let's not forget that Fury was dropped by much smaller punchers than Joshua and although he was aggressive against Wilder I doubt he will be that brave against Joshua given his much more comprehensive punch repertoire.

That's not to say Fury by KO is impossible, but is probably about as likely as Joshua points in my opinion.

keirw wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 12:08

Shhhh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 14:04

mickey1975 wrote: ↑14 Dec 2020, 13:57
Yes, and I’m the forums resident Fury fan.

Yeah I’m huge fury fan and expect him to win. My maths is not good but isn’t this like 6-1?

The fact that Fury is heavily favoured isn't a big surprise to me, but that Fury by KO has more than three times the votes as Joshua by KO does surprise me a lot.

The most logical outcome for this fight, to me at least, is Fury on points. With Joshua's best chance being by KO.

Prior to the second Wilder fight, Fury was seen by many as somewhat feather fisted, but now seems like people think he is a beast. In reality he is somewhere in between.

Let's not forget that Fury was dropped by much smaller punchers than Joshua and although he was aggressive against Wilder I doubt he will be that brave against Joshua given his much more comprehensive punch repertoire.

That's not to say Fury by KO is impossible, but is probably about as likely as Joshua points in my opinion.

I think if Fury fights like he did in the Wilder rematch then I’d give AJ every chance to hurt him and beat him.

The Fury that beat Klitschko will be very tough to beat even if I think AJ will give it a better go than Klitschko did.

It will be interesting to see if Fury falls in love with the feeing of being a big KO puncher. If he does then I don’t think it will help him.

Fury will fight to a plan. Speed, angles, footwork and range. As soon as AJ gets inside he'll tie him up and lean on him. He'll win rounds off the back of four or five two to four shot flurries and not getting hit himself. The layman will find the fight boring unless AJ manages to clip Tyson.

I don't think people are voting that Fury is going to one punch KO AJ. I just think they're voting that he'll beat him up and it'll eventually be stopped. Corner retirement, but maybe later on than Wilder.

That's what I think.

Cyclops wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 13:03 I don't think people are voting that Fury is going to one punch KO AJ. I just think they're voting that he'll beat him up and it'll eventually be stopped. Corner retirement, but maybe later on than Wilder.

That's what I think.

It may be Ruiz-like, with Joshua standing, but not showing any desire to continue.

DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 13:27

Cyclops wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 13:03 I don't think people are voting that Fury is going to one punch KO AJ. I just think they're voting that he'll beat him up and it'll eventually be stopped. Corner retirement, but maybe later on than Wilder.

That's what I think.

It may be Ruiz-like, with Joshua standing, but not showing any desire to continue.

T/KO just means inside the distance. No matter what manner that is..

For me , its a real backward and forward pick em fight ,,, 50 -50 fight ,

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 13:31

DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 13:27

Cyclops wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 13:03 I don't think people are voting that Fury is going to one punch KO AJ. I just think they're voting that he'll beat him up and it'll eventually be stopped. Corner retirement, but maybe later on than Wilder.

That's what I think.

It may be Ruiz-like, with Joshua standing, but not showing any desire to continue.

T/KO just means inside the distance. No matter what manner that is..

Yeah, I just can't see it.

I appreciate Joshua is still a long way from shaking off the Ruiz loss (the sight of an adonis getting bitch slapped around the ring by a sumo wrestler isn't an image easily unseen).

But I just don't think he is as flimsy as people seems to think.

Most definitely. Ruiz is a very good, vastly experienced boxer and a naturally big, stocky man. He's naturally thicker set than AJ, forget about the surplus. I called Ruiz as the likely replacement on here and also highlighted the risk of the upset (posting as 'Aden'). I don't think the loss was that bad at all.

Still think Fury will win.

P.s. I don't think Fury would've taken Ruiz as a replacement but he knows boxing and boxers.

how do you tell how naturaly thicc andy is, there is so much lard padding there hiding him