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Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 04:19

Kilburn wrote: ↑16 Sep 2023, 19:04

Frostieballs wrote: ↑16 Sep 2023, 17:56

Wow. This is so different to how I saw it. The referee was definitely right to pull him out in my opinion

And I’m not saying the ref was wrong to do it either. The eye looked horrible. It was a fair result.

But losing on an eye injury (which is why the ref stopped the fight) is not the same as getting knocked out or wilting to the point where you can fight no longer.

That’s where we differ.

I think it is the same as getting knocked out / stopped ….. on the basis that the damage occurred as a result of being soundly outboxed and taking sustained punishment.

Either way you have rendered your opponent unable to continue by outperforming them.

When it is that one sided the damage is coming out somewhere.

joshj909 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 04:41

Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 04:19

Kilburn wrote: ↑16 Sep 2023, 19:04

And I’m not saying the ref was wrong to do it either. The eye looked horrible. It was a fair result.

But losing on an eye injury (which is why the ref stopped the fight) is not the same as getting knocked out or wilting to the point where you can fight no longer.

That’s where we differ.

I think it is the same as getting knocked out / stopped ….. on the basis that the damage occurred as a result of being soundly outboxed and taking sustained punishment.

Either way you have rendered your opponent unable to continue by outperforming them.

When it is that one sided the damage is coming out somewhere.

Joyce did not complain at all. Didn't even look disappointed when the doctor called it.

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 06:57

Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 04:19

Kilburn wrote: ↑16 Sep 2023, 19:04

And I’m not saying the ref was wrong to do it either. The eye looked horrible. It was a fair result.

But losing on an eye injury (which is why the ref stopped the fight) is not the same as getting knocked out or wilting to the point where you can fight no longer.

That’s where we differ.

I think it is the same as getting knocked out / stopped ….. on the basis that the damage occurred as a result of being soundly outboxed and taking sustained punishment.

Either way you have rendered your opponent unable to continue by outperforming them.

When it is that one sided the damage is coming out somewhere.

I’m not questioning the validity of Zhangs win, he largely outboxed Joyce for the 6 rounds it lasted. He won, the referee did what he felt was right, he stopped the fight because he felt the injury was too severe for the fight to continue. It was fair. The damage was caused by punches.

But when weighing up the rematch, it’s not insignificant to highlight that the fight was scheduled for 12 rounds not 6. And it’s not a stretch to say that Joyce could have continued. Zhang was doing a lot less by the end, Joe wasn’t staggering all over the ring from being hurt, he didn’t appear exhausted / at the end of his tether, and he could still see out of the eye.

Joyce is up against it next Saturday for obvious reasons. But to say the manor of his defeat last time is the same as getting knocked out, simply isn’t true.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 14:08

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 06:57

Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 04:19

That’s where we differ.

I think it is the same as getting knocked out / stopped ….. on the basis that the damage occurred as a result of being soundly outboxed and taking sustained punishment.

Either way you have rendered your opponent unable to continue by outperforming them.

When it is that one sided the damage is coming out somewhere.

I’m not questioning the validity of Zhangs win, he largely outboxed Joyce for the 6 rounds it lasted. He won, the referee did what he felt was right, he stopped the fight because he felt the injury was too severe for the fight to continue. It was fair. The damage was caused by punches.

But when weighing up the rematch, it’s not insignificant to highlight that the fight was scheduled for 12 rounds not 6. And it’s not a stretch to say that Joyce could have continued. Zhang was doing a lot less by the end, Joe wasn’t staggering all over the ring from being hurt, he didn’t appear exhausted / at the end of his tether, and he could still see out of the eye.

Joyce is up against it next Saturday for obvious reasons. But to say the manor of his defeat last time is the same as getting knocked out, simply isn’t true.

As I said mate, that’s where we differ. The validity of it is exactly the same to me.

You could argue that had the eye not gone, he could have turned the fight around as Zhang was tiring.

Had he been knocked out with a Hail Mary shot you could similarly argue that had he not been caught - or if his chin was better - he could have turned the fight around.

I think we both agree, however, that he will have to change something!

Coco wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 14:17

Frostieballs wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 14:08

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 06:57

I’m not questioning the validity of Zhangs win, he largely outboxed Joyce for the 6 rounds it lasted. He won, the referee did what he felt was right, he stopped the fight because he felt the injury was too severe for the fight to continue. It was fair. The damage was caused by punches.

But when weighing up the rematch, it’s not insignificant to highlight that the fight was scheduled for 12 rounds not 6. And it’s not a stretch to say that Joyce could have continued. Zhang was doing a lot less by the end, Joe wasn’t staggering all over the ring from being hurt, he didn’t appear exhausted / at the end of his tether, and he could still see out of the eye.

Joyce is up against it next Saturday for obvious reasons. But to say the manor of his defeat last time is the same as getting knocked out, simply isn’t true.

As I said mate, that’s where we differ. The validity of it is exactly the same to me.

You could argue that had the eye not gone, he could have turned the fight around as Zhang was tiring.

Had he been knocked out with a Hail Mary shot you could similarly argue that had he not been caught - or if his chin was better - he could have turned the fight around.

I think we both agree, however, that he will have to change something!

Bad idea for the same tactics and crossing your fingers that your face holds up

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Sep 2023, 17:38 never went down, but maybe that, and his badly damaged eye, shouldve given him a bit of respect for the power

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 15:35 I'm aware I am biased towards Joe.

jwfg wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 17:08

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 15:35 I'm aware I am biased towards Joe.

Really? I hadn't noticed.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 07:45 So do we have an opponent for Yarde yet?!

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 07:45 So do we have an opponent for Yarde yet?!

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 08:12

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 07:45 So do we have an opponent for Yarde yet?!

Yes..

I read its Ricky Summers

Ezzard wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 11:48 When fight one was made I knew it would be tough after watching Zhang fight Hrg. I was closed down fast here and told it was a cake-walk.

Now it seems that Joyce had no chance and never did.

tonyevs wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 13:59

Ezzard wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 11:48 When fight one was made I knew it would be tough after watching Zhang fight Hrg. I was closed down fast here and told it was a cake-walk.

Now it seems that Joyce had no chance and never did.

Care to link it and remind us?

jwfg wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 14:41 Ezra Taylor against Joel McIntyre on the bill. Easy night for Ez?

Manchester Hitman wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 15:31

jwfg wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 14:41 Ezra Taylor against Joel McIntyre on the bill. Easy night for Ez?

I like the look of Taylor - this is a decent step up opponent, so I look forward to seeing what kind of job he can do on him.

Ezzard wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 11:48 When fight one was made I knew it would be tough after watching Zhang fight Hrg. I was closed down fast here and told it was a cake-walk.

Now it seems that Joyce had no chance and never did.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 15:52

Ezzard wrote: ↑18 Sep 2023, 11:48 When fight one was made I knew it would be tough after watching Zhang fight Hrg. I was closed down fast here and told it was a cake-walk.

Now it seems that Joyce had no chance and never did.

if i recall the forum was generally pretty excited about the fight, though a few thought it was easy for joyce