gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Oct 2023, 13:51
I don't really see how it's a joke. Ngannou is a Champion from another Combat Sport, and this sort of thing isn't exactly unprecedented.
You know boxing better than most on here, so I'll ask you this. How many times out of a hundred does Ngannou win?
I mean you can never completely discount a guy with knockout power, but I think the chances Fury gets caught with that KO blow, and is unable to recover are around 1%.
People get struck by Lightning, Win the Lottery, Get eaten by Sharks...so I mean. Strangers things happen, but I think Fury will win the fight handily, and usually would
I'm curious if he'll take the same approach Mayweather took with McGregor, and just kinda let Ngannou do all the attacking in the early rounds to feel him out, and take his measure. We'll see.
I think Fury will carry him until at least the second half of the fight. The only way there's a quick stoppage is if Fury hits him by mistake.
To win, Ngannou odds will be like getting struck by lightning twice while holding a winning lottery ticket. It's like the world squash champion taking on Novak Djokovic on center court at Wimbledon. The only way Fury loses is if he hurts his ankle. IMO.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 14:24
by The Asleep Lamps
Fury isn't going to "carry him" because he isn't that dumb. The best way for Fury to get KO'd is to carry him.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 14:28
by gilgamesh
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑28 Oct 2023, 14:24
Fury isn't going to "carry him" because he isn't that dumb. The best way for Fury to get KO'd is to carry him.
Exactly. He may start the fight cautiously just to get a sense of Ngannou's timing and rhythm, but once he has the measure of him he'll begin to attack and take over.
A big puncher can't be dismissed. No matter how inexperienced.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
You know boxing better than most on here, so I'll ask you this. How many times out of a hundred does Ngannou win?
I mean you can never completely discount a guy with knockout power, but I think the chances Fury gets caught with that KO blow, and is unable to recover are around 1%.
People get struck by Lightning, Win the Lottery, Get eaten by Sharks...so I mean. Strangers things happen, but I think Fury will win the fight handily, and usually would
I'm curious if he'll take the same approach Mayweather took with McGregor, and just kinda let Ngannou do all the attacking in the early rounds to feel him out, and take his measure. We'll see.
I think Fury will carry him until at least the second half of the fight. The only way there's a quick stoppage is if Fury hits him by mistake.
To win, Ngannou odds will be like getting struck by lightning twice while holding a winning lottery ticket. It's like the world squash champion taking on Novak Djokovic on center court at Wimbledon. The only way Fury loses is if he hurts his ankle. IMO.
Squash vs. tennis is a stupid analogy. It's more like Ngannou plays a sport that combines tennis, squash, and pickleball,, and he's challenged to a tennis-only match, after training for the weird hybrid sport.
Ngannou's odds of winning are far greater than McGregor's were, despite the bookies (McGregor's odds were inflated ridiculously by his fans). Ngannou just needs a killer shot and it could change the fight. McGregor was never going to do that against the best defensive boxer of all time. Fury is easy to hit and gets wobbled by soft punchers. He is very hard to put out completely as the Wilder fight showed but if Wilder can put him down so can Ngannou.
That doesn't mean it will happen but it's not like a double lightning strike. At heavyweight a punchers chance is always there.
I think Fury will look to mitigate the risk in this fight by holding a lot, or staying at distance. If Ngannou starts swinging wide he'll jump in and clinch, because a wild looping punch is the only thing that can hurt Fury.
Other than that Ngannou has little real boxing skill, but it looks like he's been training traditional boxing. The more he uses that, the worse he will do as Fury would love it if Ngannou tries traditional boxing. He's no threat if he does that.
Fury will test the waters with how aggressive he should be on offense. He should be able to mix it up like this and frustrate Ngannou but he has to remain careful. I think it might go to a wide decision, as Ngannou has a very good chin but his gas tank is questionable.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 15:34
by Thomastearns
1 chance in a hundred seems about right.
Ok 2 in a hundred after watching the decent Teddy Atlas preview.
Teddy did spend a day training him after all.
If Ngannou can survive til the end of the 10th and final round without being carried he'll have done well.
It would be nice to see some of Ngannou's bodywork training pay off, but I can't imagine Fury trying to fight inside tonight.
Or maybe it could turn into an Otto Wallin v Fury fight, but then I remember that Wallin is a boxer and Ngannou isn't.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 19:31
by Ruthless-RKO
The scores were 95-94 for Ngannou, 96-93 for Fury, and 95-94 for Fury.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 19:36
by joshj909
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Oct 2023, 19:31
The scores were 95-94 for Ngannou, 96-93 for Fury, and 95-94 for Fury.
96-93 for Fury gives Francis 3 rounds. That's terrible
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 19:53
by JCS
Sadly, Ngannou probably won that fight.
Watching the British telecast though.. you'd think Fury didn't win a single round.
I counted two toss-up rounds, 4 rounds for Ngannou (one a 10-8) and 4 rounds for Fury.
So, Fury 95-94 to Ngannou 96-93 seems reasonable.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 19:55
by margaret thatcher
fury looks like a guy who doesnt want to box anymore. this wasnt him playing wwe to make it close, he was legitmately hurt and spooked in there. after the fight had little of his usual enthusiasm
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 20:00
by Jeff_lacy_ko
What a sport, the hw champ needs a miracle to beat a rank amatuer.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 20:01
by SendoTakeshi97
I mean, he did say he just wants to go were the money is and doesn't really care about fighting boxers.
Looked like it today.
If the Usyk wouldn't be his biggest payday, he wouldn't have taken it.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 20:04
by LeRoiDuRing
This fight was made to promote the upcoming champion vs champion fight between Usyk and Fury but Ngannou wasn't having it and too the fight very seriously despite no title being on the line and the whole organisation of the show making it look more like an exhibition contest than an actual heavyweight showdown.
The Undisputed championship is now opposing a man who won by faking getting hit in the balls in his last fight and a guy who was knockdown and out of solutions against a 37 years old guy making his pro debut. Also both looks terribly out of shape.
Heavyweight boxing is not looking very good right now but I guess the promotion of the Usyk-Fury fight (2 guys who arguably robbed their last win in fights they were heavily favorited) is going to be very interesting.
I personaly had it 96-93 for Ngannou but many rounds were pretty dull especially the last 2 so I don't particularly mind the scorecards.
A lot of respect for Ngannou for pulling the whole thing off and actually making us enjoy a good fight in the middle of this mess.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 20:04
by JoeCorrao
Neither guy had any skill. Fury fights like a clothes line in the wind. What's his face had all the skill of a cigarette vending machine.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Oct 2023, 19:31
The scores were 95-94 for Ngannou, 96-93 for Fury, and 95-94 for Fury.
96-93 for Fury gives Francis 3 rounds. That's terrible
It was terrible, just like that blatant elbow by Fury.
That's boxing.
The big question is whether Fury was playing possum, as Usyk suggested afterwards.
If not, then that was a shambles of a performance by him tonight.
Especially in the first half when he seemed strangely confused and had to switch to southpaw.
Good move on his part.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 20:05
by cormack
fury and his clown camp are going to quack on the usyk fight 100 %
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 20:22
by Lackeos
LeRoiDuRing wrote: ↑28 Oct 2023, 20:04
The Undisputed championship is now opposing...
There is no undisputed heavyweight champion. Usyk and Fury each possess some of the belts that would need to be unified to have an undisputed.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 20:24
by Lackeos
After that result, I think Ngannou would be able to easily book a fight with Joshua, Wilder, or Usyk. Only problem with Usyk is the ABC bodies probably wouldn't cooperate in letting it count towards a mandatory defense. Probably wouldn't even put him in the top 15 and let it count as a voluntary defense.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
LeRoiDuRing wrote: ↑28 Oct 2023, 20:04
The Undisputed championship is now opposing...
There is no undisputed heavyweight champion. Usyk and Fury each possess some of the belts that would need to be unified to have an undisputed.
English is not my main language. In my mind a championship is a fight between two persons So when I'm saying undisputed championship I'm talking about the fight but if that's not correct thanks for correcting me.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 02:29
by geronimo
I'm pretty shocked... Probably Fury didn't take this fight seriously. Or the fact he used drugs and alcohol, debilitated his body
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 06:00
by fanman
So it's most interesting to see that all the well established experts and serious fans, who have dedicated much time to learning the noble art... Addressed this fight as a travesty, a rip off, a mismatch.
... Let's be honest, a man with 0 professional boxing matches just went in there with the WBC, lineal, and widely recognised heavyweight champion of the world, knocked him down, roughed him up, and basically fought even with him over 10 rounds.
Ngannou, a man who rose from the slums of Cameroon, has first climbed the heights of the hardest sport in the world, become UFC Heavyweight champion, essentially already the baddest man on the planet, the man most likely to beat up any other man on Earth if posited into a street fight.
He has then at 37 years of age, in his pro debut, knocked down and hurt, the Boxing Heavyweight Champion, and really could easily have been awarded the decision.
This has to be one of the greatest accomplishments ever in the history of sports. We know that boxing is a business, scoring is subjective, but certainly there was not a clear winner. And by the moral victory, of hurting the opponent, and damaging him, Ngannou took that home.
What was supposed to be a warm up and promotion to the first ever 4 belt heavyweight showdown, we are now left with the sense that Ngannou is quite easily the Baddest man on the planet, and quite possibly the best Heavyweight boxer.
Boxing cannot really show it's face. It's flagship figurehead just fought evenly, and scraped by, against a man from another sport.
What have we learned. That fighting is fighting. Striking is striking. A huge, powerful, athletic, intelligent man, with an unconventional style, is able to traverse the disciplines.
This really cannot be overstated. No one gave Francis a chance in hell, except for by a wild swing and attack.
If this man had been boxing from 27, or 17, goodness knows what he could have accomplished. Saying that, the awkwardness, the strength, wresting ability, "power" training, all these have added to what he is actually now.
Credit to Ngannou, he is truly the king of kings. He certainly deserves a shot at the heavyweight title, or to return to UFC fairly paid.
Fury has been humbled. The unification clash will have to take place under the shadow of Ngannou. Usyk may well be able to prove himself the Ultimate Boxing technician. All is to play for...
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 06:17
by The Asleep Lamps
Great post there fanman. This guy breaks down boxing and MMA bouts. I was honestly worried for Francis in the moments before the fight but I don't want him to go backwards now, I want him to face Joshua or Wilder.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 06:52
by geronimo
geronimo wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 02:29
I'm pretty shocked... Probably Fury didn't take this fight seriously. Or the fact that in past he used drugs and alcohol, debilitated his body
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 09:48
by Cap
Fury is an overrated slob in a division full of slobs with maybe two or three half-decent fighters who compete at most twice a year. Boxing was once the most popular spectator sport in the world. It's not even in the top ten now.
If you want to see top guys battle it out on a regular basis, you need to buy Title Bout Championship Boxing for the PC. It's the only place left where the best fight the best.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 11:53
by CMCanavessi
I had it 96-93 Ngannou.
This is my card, which might be terrible... or not.
