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^^^as opposed to the guys who spend most of their time trashing ali?

What accumulated weak arm punches can do to even the most handsome amoungst us.

Poor buzz has never been told that a young George Foreman stopped Chuvalo in 3 rounds

and a young Joe Frazier stopped Chuvalo in 4 rounds

Meanwhile buzz' hero Ali fought Chuvalo twice---

in a 15 round fight and a 12 round fight.

Both fights went the distance.

Poor buzz.

LOL

granberry wrote:Poor buzz has never been told that a young George Foreman stopped Chuvalo in 3 rounds

and a young Joe Frazier stopped Chuvalo in 4 rounds

Meanwhile buzz' hero Ali fought Chuvalo twice---

in a 15 round fight and a 12 round fight.

Both fights went the distance.

Poor buzz.

LOL

Yep your right, Chuvalo was a creme puff what was I thinkin?


You never got back to me on the Bonavena moment though. I was waitin to hear back from you, but it's like your cell phone went dead.

Can't---can't hear y---going through tunn---tunnel---of love---with Jimmy Young---can't---you---

Blasted reception :x

The early round KO is always good for bragging rights. But to be beaten up for 15 rounds is much more punishing. I mean even granberry would rather be Liston in Round 1 of the "Fake" Than Chuvalo or Terrel at the end of 15 rounds of inhumane punishment. The beatings that Ali put on Frazier, Chuvlalo and Terrell have to be some of the most brutal in boxing history.

They were all nursing head injuries beyond any early round KO victims from the biggest punchers. An early KO in boxing is a gift. To be beaten on for 15 rounds is beyond hell. And by the way granny, Frazier took a much worse beating than the decked Ali that night.

If a doctor was the one to declare a winner based on what shape the opponents were in post fight, Ali wins hands down. So in the game of boxing on that night Frazier wins the game. But Ali won the fight by virtue of leaving his opponent in much much worse shape than how Frazier left Ali.

Now that says a little something about the man.....I know you and I both agree on this granny, but I know you have to put up the good fight and call me a few names, etc etc and say I don't know what I'm talking about...so go ahead.. (oh and don't forget the word "hysterical" when describing my reaction....that always helps.)

granberry wrote:Poor buzz has never been told that a young George Foreman stopped Chuvalo in 3 rounds

and a young Joe Frazier stopped Chuvalo in 4 rounds

Meanwhile buzz' hero Ali fought Chuvalo twice---

in a 15 round fight and a 12 round fight.

Both fights went the distance.

Poor buzz.

LOL

Poor nutberry has never been told that Ali demolished Foreman who had demolished Frazier.

Poor nutberry still clings hysterically to the wet dream that Foreman was drugged in Zaire and that Frazier was on the verge of winning in Manilla until that traitor got involved.

Poor nutberry ought to stick to embarressing himself in "the greatest thread ever".

LOL
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BoxBuzz wrote:If a doctor was the one to declare a winner based on what shape the opponents were in post fight, Ali wins hands down. So in the game of boxing on that night Frazier wins the game. But Ali won the fight by virtue of leaving his opponent in much much worse shape than how Frazier left Ali.

Well the thing about that logic is that if that's the case, then Frazier won the third fight. Frazier won the first fight, but after the fight was over he was in worse shape and spent a lot more time in the hospital than Ali did. And then, after Ali won the third fight, Ali was in worse shape and spent more time in the hospital after the fight was over than Frazier did. So in both cases the winner took more punishment than the loser. I guess that's the price for winning those kinds of tough fights, the winner needed to take a little more out of himself.

The retards posting here don't know that Frazier had a kidney infection before the first Ali-Frazier fight.

Two Commission doctors failed him on his physical because of that.

Finally they came up with a third doctor who signed off on passing him.

Frazier was in the hospital after the fight because of his kidney infection.

Ali was rushed to the hospital immediately after the fight because the right side of his jaw was so swollen from Ali's lack of ability to defend himself against Frazier's left hooks that Ali's jaw was swollen to twice its normal size.

His handlers were sure he had a broken jaw.

A book by George Plimpton has a photo of Ali standing in front of his house in NY a week after the fight with a still grotesquely swollen jaw.

In the ring after the fight while waiting for the decision against him, Ali's jaw was amazingly swollen.

Poor buzz will never learn from Thomas Hauser and Norman Mailer that Ali couldn't punch.

Except of course for his "knockout" over Sonny Liston.

LOL

More excuses from the Joe Frazier industry...

Ali knocked out Bonavena and Foreman, Frazier couldn't do that, while they knocked him down ten times. Ali also knocked out Frazier, while Frazier was unable to stop Ali.

LOL

Nice IFF, very Nice IFF..

BUt im sure gran's argument will be "you are a shill"

this thread will slowly constrict around the windpipe of boxrec and little by little tighten until boxrec is fighting for breath. then as it struggles for air, kicks and heaves against the all consuming grip of this thread around its reddening throat...boxrec dies.

then i wake up. i pull the curtains aside and a beautiful bright sunlight tells me that boxrec is alive and well. i look through my window. outside, children with 6oz gloves are sparring with each other. george foreman is on the corner of the street grinning and frying burgers for the people. boxbuzz and granberry are shaking hands and sharing a joke. collins is putting up an enormous poster of john l sullivan (aged 24) over another advertising marlboro cigarettes and all is well with the world.

I Feel Fine wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:If a doctor was the one to declare a winner based on what shape the opponents were in post fight, Ali wins hands down. So in the game of boxing on that night Frazier wins the game. But Ali won the fight by virtue of leaving his opponent in much much worse shape than how Frazier left Ali.

Well the thing about that logic is that if that's the case, then Frazier won the third fight. Frazier won the first fight, but after the fight was over he was in worse shape and spent a lot more time in the hospital than Ali did. And then, after Ali won the third fight, Ali was in worse shape and spent more time in the hospital after the fight was over than Frazier did. So in both cases the winner took more punishment than the loser. I guess that's the price for winning those kinds of tough fights, the winner needed to take a little more out of himself.

either way you want this the score between these two great fighters is the same. Joe Frazier is one of my favorite fighters. I don't engage granberry on these issues to disparage Joe in any way. However we can not say the same of granberry's intentions.

harrygreb wrote:this thread will slowly constrict around the windpipe of boxrec and little by little tighten until boxrec is fighting for breath. then as it struggles for air, kicks and heaves against the all consuming grip of this thread around its reddening throat...boxrec dies.

then i wake up. i pull the curtains aside and a beautiful bright sunlight tells me that boxrec is alive and well. i look through my window. outside, children with 6oz gloves are sparring with each other. george foreman is on the corner of the street grinning and frying burgers for the people. boxbuzz and granberry are shaking hands and sharing a joke. collins is putting up an enormous poster of john l sullivan (aged 24) over another advertising marlboro cigarettes and all is well with the world.

Nothing better than a bright articulate optimist to set things right. You sir are a visionary and I salute you, as should every reader of this thread!

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WHY did buzz write that it is "defamation" to post this photo?



HERE is where buzz wrote that:

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... c&start=50
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:40 pm

buzz has never answered the question of why he would term posting this, the defining photo of Ali's career, to be "defamation."

Is it because NOTHING even in the slightest negative should ever be allowed to be seen concerning Ali
because that goes against the AGENDA of your Religion, buzz?

ANSWER my question, buzz.

WHY is it "defamation" to post this photo?

LOL
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Cmon Granbo.......you missing entirely too many of your meds

it's not defamation to post the pic....you know better you goofy old coot. It's the "johnny one note" aspect that gets old.

Your entire message is Ali Bad

If I'm not mistaken it seems your repeating yourself. I just engage you to add balance to the one sided onslaught of negativity you enjoy engaging in. No harm in that is there?

If it would make you feel better, please know I would offer counterbalance if you went after Jimmy Young or Joe Frazier or Marvin Hagler with your attacks.

BoxBuzz wrote:Cmon Granbo.......you missing entirely too many of your meds

it's not defamation to post the pic....you know better you goofy old coot. It's the "johnny one note" aspect that gets old.

Your entire message is Ali Bad

If I'm not mistaken it seems your repeating yourself. I just engage you to add balance to the one sided onslaught of negativity you enjoy engaging in. No harm in that is there?

If it would make you feel better, please know I would offer counterbalance if you went after Jimmy Young or Joe Frazier or Marvin Hagler with your attacks.

Yes, I don't like stooping to his level and posting negative stuff regarding the fighters he worships. I did try it once or twice and I felt dirty afterwards so God alone knows how he must feel doing it every day.

Any intelligent person would realise that all this negativity can't be good for themselve. His inner self must be a truly terrified creature.

ANSWER my question, buzz.

WHY is it "defamation" to post that photo?

BoxBuzz wrote:

I Feel Fine wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:If a doctor was the one to declare a winner based on what shape the opponents were in post fight, Ali wins hands down. So in the game of boxing on that night Frazier wins the game. But Ali won the fight by virtue of leaving his opponent in much much worse shape than how Frazier left Ali.

Well the thing about that logic is that if that's the case, then Frazier won the third fight. Frazier won the first fight, but after the fight was over he was in worse shape and spent a lot more time in the hospital than Ali did. And then, after Ali won the third fight, Ali was in worse shape and spent more time in the hospital after the fight was over than Frazier did. So in both cases the winner took more punishment than the loser. I guess that's the price for winning those kinds of tough fights, the winner needed to take a little more out of himself.

either way you want this the score between these two great fighters is the same. Joe Frazier is one of my favorite fighters. I don't engage granberry on these issues to disparage Joe in any way. However we can not say the same of granberry's intentions.

I understand that, I just thought it was an interesting piece of trivia that the two winners took more damage in those two fights. Shows how tough the trilogy was.

I Feel Fine wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:

I Feel Fine wrote:Well the thing about that logic is that if that's the case, then Frazier won the third fight. Frazier won the first fight, but after the fight was over he was in worse shape and spent a lot more time in the hospital than Ali did. And then, after Ali won the third fight, Ali was in worse shape and spent more time in the hospital after the fight was over than Frazier did. So in both cases the winner took more punishment than the loser. I guess that's the price for winning those kinds of tough fights, the winner needed to take a little more out of himself.

either way you want this the score between these two great fighters is the same. Joe Frazier is one of my favorite fighters. I don't engage granberry on these issues to disparage Joe in any way. However we can not say the same of granberry's intentions.

I understand that, I just thought it was an interesting piece of trivia that the two winners took more damage in those two fights. Shows how tough the trilogy was.

exactly, either of these guys would rather die than lose a fight. Joe did not want to sit out the 15th round in Manilla, (but seriously he would have been KO'd IMHO) and at least this way Joe's fans can point to it not being on him, AND Ali did not even close to give up when he was put on his back. In fact you can argue it energized him.

Both guys paid a big price for their occupation, Joe correctly points out that he is in better shape these days HOWEVER Ali is likely battling two issues. His ring experience and a separate parkinson's syndrome issue.

Today fighters will make a "business" decision in the ring. If they are getting hurt they quit. Now upon reflection I've come to believe that to be a good thing, no sport is worth that sort of sacrifice but at one point in our history our fighters took it that seriously. Because to be a Boxing Champion had sort of a "revered" status to all segments of the population.

Certainly no longer the case.

pin point accuracy, buzz.

I do think there are still a lot of fighters who wouldn't quit in a fight. But for the most part I agree.

And, yeah, when Joe implies that he's solely responsible for Ali's condition today he kind of misses the fact that Ali fought on for five more years after that. Manila was part of it, but Ali would have been a lot better off without those last five years. I'd hate to see what Frazier would look like if he'd have fought Young, Norton, Shavers, Holmes and Berbick after that fight. Ali would have done himself real good to have fought Coopman as a retirement fight, retired 50-2 with wins over every man he ever fought, two time champion, 14 title defenses (in two title reigns) and his health would have benefited from it. I know he kept going because of the money, and he didn't want to give up the sport, but it obviously cost him in the long run. But like Holyfield, his refusal to quit was not only a benefit but also something that hurt him at the end.