the allan syers your talkin about is my uncle, unlike said previously he isnt a scouser, that was just promotional when he was fighting, because the beatles were popular at the time, he was from warrington england, but moved to the us when he was 18 to further pro carreer, unlike his record on this site says , he actually had 17 wins 3 draws and 2 losses, losing to mando ramos was his most defining moment, he tells me he wasnt feeling himself on the night, due to cutting weight but had to fight for the purse, his career ended due to him having his fingers chopped off in an unfortunate accident at work, devistating. He was put onto the california hall of fame a few years back and frequent participant in boxing dinners around cali, now good friends with mando, and freddie roach, he introduced my dad to manny pacquiao not long back when he was visiting alla, Its true hes been battling cancer for years now, can only thank the superior treatments in the usa for this. Hes a true gentlemen, and a giant in our family, as our family is boxing oriented, my dad having been a good amatuer,aswell as my grandad, my grandads brother, allans son phil also boxing as an amatuer and lastly myself, having a amatuer career in muay thai ang boxing.
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Phil, I recently saw Allan on several occasions. We always share a nice conversation. I've seen him at the CBHOF luncheon, WBHOF banquet and in Hollywood at the GSBA lunch on Tuesdays. In Hollywood, Allan had his son with him. They were on their way to the Wildcard Gym. I remember his career very well, at least the last part when he was fighting at the Olympic. Alan was popular, a good fighter who could box and punch. It took a great future champ like Mando Ramos to defeat him, and I'll never forget his entering the ring wearing a pair of white, satin boxing trunks with the "Lonsdale" label on the waistband. In the sixties, I'd usually watch Boxing from the Olympic on TV with my grandfather each week. My English grandmother (from London) was a fan of Allan Syers. I recall Alan being interviewd on TV by Dick Enberg following one of his KO wins. My grandmother was so impressed with what a gentleman he appeared to be, he became her favorite boxer, along with Mando Ramos. When the two were matched in a ten round Olympic main event, my grandmother rooted for Allan, and he gave a good accounting of himself agaginst the youngest man to ever win the world lightweight title. I was truly happy to finally meet Allan after all of these years.
-Rick Farris
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POST FIGHT THOUGHTS
By John Bardelli
Another fight bust! Pacquiao and Cotto. Great fight? Nada! At an earlier time when writing was more laborious than it is today, I might have called my folks after seeing the fight and told them in describing the fight ---- "Nothing to get excited about and nothing to write home about."
Anything but a great fight from my vantage! And, in reality, nothing really exciting about the match aside from some early anticipation about whether Cotto was going to be effective in some exchanges with Manny. Once that anticipation left us by the second, third, fourth or fifth round, the only question became whether or not Pacquiao really has the fire power --- which many think he has by virtue of his demolition of Ricky Hatton --- and whether Pacquiao would take out Miguel Cotto in the same fashion. It was clear after the fifth round that the hand writing was on the wall and Cotto was in survival mode.
Pacquiao made the fight as he was the aggressor, throughout, with the possible exception of the first round. Incidentally, while many gave the first round to Cotto because he caught Pacquiao with several jabs, I gave the round to Pacquiao as he controlled the tempo and landed the more effective and harder shots during the round. The only round I gave to Cotto was the 5th, ironically, where he showed a little aggressiveness after having been floored in the 4th round, the knockdown being a much more convincing knockdown than when he was caught with a right chop in the 2nd round.
I am thrilled my prediction of a Cotto knockout in the 9th or 10th rounds went astray. Not at any single moment did Cotto pose a threat to Pacquiao. Cotto fought a defensive fight throughout the evening as evidenced by where he held his gloves --- in a style reminiscent of a peek-a-boo stance sans hand speed, sans foot speed, and without an ounce of the type of ruggedness which I anticipated he would bring into the ring with him as he had done in mauling Zab Judah, and thereby bullying Pacquiao to places he didn't want to be and then let his power shine forth. There was no demonstration of power this evening. Marguerito took the fight out of Cotto as well as the desire he once had. I assumed he was still a powerful puncher.
Au contraire, the only power I saw this evening was that brought into the ring by Pacquiao --- and he didn't demonstrate that he had much power as a welterweight. As welterweights, if either Cotto or Pacquiao had to fight Philadelphia's Gil Turner, let alone Kid Gavilan of the 50's, I don't think either would be on their feet come the 7th round. YouTube - Kid Gavilan (Cuba) v Gil Turner (USA) Municipal Stadium USA PART 1 OF 2 1952
There is a difference folks.
Cotto is finished. Pacquiao has more fights left in him and, presumably, as the welterweight champion he will fight at that weight. The clamor is for Pacquiao to take on Floyd Mayweather, another safety first customer. Mayweather and Pacquiao makes for a boring fight twelve round fight --- a ton of hype and a ton of anticipation during the match --- but little else.
Strange how this fight business goes. Miguel Cotto beats Shane Mosley. How in the hell did that happen? The Miguel Cotto who entered the ring against Manny Pacquiao this evening would last less than 5 rounds against the Shane Mosley we've seen in his last two fights against Mayorga and Marguerito. That Mosley beats the Pacquiao who fought this evening.
The hand writing is on the wall. I am happy that Manny Pacquiao left the ring tonight having tasted only a modicum of leather. The fans want more of him. His aura of invincibility grows but, off this showing, I would say that he is in deep trouble if he defends against Mosley or Joshua Clottey. I know very little of the other contending welterweights aside from Marguerito.
The day may come when Edwin Valero moves out of the lightweight division and lays a challenge to Manny Pacquiao. Some think that Valero is a wild novice who would be taken apart by a now veteran campaigner such as Manny Pacquiao. Let's see how Valero progresses over his next five fights. I think this kid has the goods and when he punches with that left hand it is not sent to say hello as an attention getter. He punches to say "sayonara" or "adios amigo" and all of Mr. Valero is sent with the goodnight kiss. How will he react when he, himself, is on the receiving end of some leather? I don't know and, additionally, I can't say whether or not he has fought any tough fighters who have hit him on the button more than once. That, too, awaits definition.
Manny Pacquiao has thrilled all his fans and rightfully deserves a hero's welcome when he returns to the Philippines. Although boxing fans would disagree with me, if Art Aragon were to advise Pacquiao he would say, "Manny, you've made millions. You may think that there is more to be made and that there are more mountains to climb. Son, I can only tell you that a fighter can never retire too early but he certainly can retire to late. Get out while you can with your health and faculties intact."
A lot has been said and written about the impact that Freddie Roach has had in training, and let's face it, in managing Manny Pacquiao. If Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao are as close as it is written, then Freddie Roach owes it to Manny Pacquiao to parrot the sage words of Art Aragon and tell Manny precisely that.
Time will tell.
POST FIGHT THOUGHTS
By John Bardelli
Another fight bust! Pacquiao and Cotto. Great fight? Nada! At an earlier time when writing was more laborious than it is today, I might have called my folks after seeing the fight and told them in describing the fight ---- "Nothing to get excited about and nothing to write home about."
Anything but a great fight from my vantage! And, in reality, nothing really exciting about the match aside from some early anticipation about whether Cotto was going to be effective in some exchanges with Manny. Once that anticipation left us by the second, third, fourth or fifth round, the only question became whether or not Pacquiao really has the fire power --- which many think he has by virtue of his demolition of Ricky Hatton --- and whether Pacquiao would take out Miguel Cotto in the same fashion. It was clear after the fifth round that the hand writing was on the wall and Cotto was in survival mode.
Pacquiao made the fight as he was the aggressor, throughout, with the possible exception of the first round. Incidentally, while many gave the first round to Cotto because he caught Pacquiao with several jabs, I gave the round to Pacquiao as he controlled the tempo and landed the more effective and harder shots during the round. The only round I gave to Cotto was the 5th, ironically, where he showed a little aggressiveness after having been floored in the 4th round, the knockdown being a much more convincing knockdown than when he was caught with a right chop in the 2nd round.
I am thrilled my prediction of a Cotto knockout in the 9th or 10th rounds went astray. Not at any single moment did Cotto pose a threat to Pacquiao. Cotto fought a defensive fight throughout the evening as evidenced by where he held his gloves --- in a style reminiscent of a peek-a-boo stance sans hand speed, sans foot speed, and without an ounce of the type of ruggedness which I anticipated he would bring into the ring with him as he had done in mauling Zab Judah, and thereby bullying Pacquiao to places he didn't want to be and then let his power shine forth. There was no demonstration of power this evening. Marguerito took the fight out of Cotto as well as the desire he once had. I assumed he was still a powerful puncher.
Au contraire, the only power I saw this evening was that brought into the ring by Pacquiao --- and he didn't demonstrate that he had much power as a welterweight. As welterweights, if either Cotto or Pacquiao had to fight Philadelphia's Gil Turner, let alone Kid Gavilan of the 50's, I don't think either would be on their feet come the 7th round. YouTube - Kid Gavilan (Cuba) v Gil Turner (USA) Municipal Stadium USA PART 1 OF 2 1952
There is a difference folks.
Cotto is finished. Pacquiao has more fights left in him and, presumably, as the welterweight champion he will fight at that weight. The clamor is for Pacquiao to take on Floyd Mayweather, another safety first customer. Mayweather and Pacquiao makes for a boring fight twelve round fight --- a ton of hype and a ton of anticipation during the match --- but little else.
Strange how this fight business goes. Miguel Cotto beats Shane Mosley. How in the hell did that happen? The Miguel Cotto who entered the ring against Manny Pacquiao this evening would last less than 5 rounds against the Shane Mosley we've seen in his last two fights against Mayorga and Marguerito. That Mosley beats the Pacquiao who fought this evening.
The hand writing is on the wall. I am happy that Manny Pacquiao left the ring tonight having tasted only a modicum of leather. The fans want more of him. His aura of invincibility grows but, off this showing, I would say that he is in deep trouble if he defends against Mosley or Joshua Clottey. I know very little of the other contending welterweights aside from Marguerito.
The day may come when Edwin Valero moves out of the lightweight division and lays a challenge to Manny Pacquiao. Some think that Valero is a wild novice who would be taken apart by a now veteran campaigner such as Manny Pacquiao. Let's see how Valero progresses over his next five fights. I think this kid has the goods and when he punches with that left hand it is not sent to say hello as an attention getter. He punches to say "sayonara" or "adios amigo" and all of Mr. Valero is sent with the goodnight kiss. How will he react when he, himself, is on the receiving end of some leather? I don't know and, additionally, I can't say whether or not he has fought any tough fighters who have hit him on the button more than once. That, too, awaits definition.
Manny Pacquiao has thrilled all his fans and rightfully deserves a hero's welcome when he returns to the Philippines. Although boxing fans would disagree with me, if Art Aragon were to advise Pacquiao he would say, "Manny, you've made millions. You may think that there is more to be made and that there are more mountains to climb. Son, I can only tell you that a fighter can never retire too early but he certainly can retire to late. Get out while you can with your health and faculties intact."
A lot has been said and written about the impact that Freddie Roach has had in training, and let's face it, in managing Manny Pacquiao. If Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao are as close as it is written, then Freddie Roach owes it to Manny Pacquiao to parrot the sage words of Art Aragon and tell Manny precisely that.
Time will tell.
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Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto
Maybe the spectre of Antonio Margarito was in the ring last night with Miguel Cotto, or maybe it was just that Manny Pacquiao was just too good a fighter for Cotto. (You think?") Either way, niether Cotto nor his corner had an answer for Pacquiao. I don't know that anyone fighting today has an answer. Floyd Mayweather Jr? I don't think he has the balls. Sugar Shane Mosley? I'm not quite as sure as I was before last nights fight but if any fighter today can go toe to toe with Pacquiao and match his hand speed, it's Mosley. Juan Manuel Marquez? At one time but not anymore.
Cotto kept the fight competitive for the first half of the fight, despite getting knocked down in the third and fourth rounds. Once Manny got his groove on, the fight became a one sided beat down. Cotto, in full survival mode, sought only to end the fight on his feet. That alone took more heart than most of us can imagine. There was no quit in Cotto last night and for that alone he should be applauded.
Going into this fight I thought Cotto would win, not easily but I thought he would win. My reasons were sound and valid but there are always the intangibles. We can't see what lurks beneath a fighter's skin or what goes on in his head. My guess is, if I can say this with out taking anything away from Pacquiao, is that Cotto still suffered from the beating he took from Antonio Margarito. That became evident as the fight wore on. That's not making an excuse for Cotto either. He made the decision to fight Pacquiao and he alone lives with the consequences.
With this win over Miguel Cotto, Pacquiao has proven himself to be the undisputed "Pound for Pound" King. I can imagine that every champion from 152 up was breathing a sigh of relief when Pacquiao announced that the welterweights, 147, is his last stop. That is where he will remain.
I don't know why they allow the fighters to be interviewed prior to the fight but someone should have wrapped duct tape across Larry Merchant's mouth last night. In an act of thoughtless stupidity, the mentally bereft Merchant brought up the Margarito beating just before fight time. Why put that in Cotto's head? Why plant the seed of doubt?
Was it a great fight? It had it's moments in the first half and Pacquiao definitely gave a great performance but it evolved into a one sided beating when Cotto realized there was nothing he could do to stop Pacquiao.
My wife Jeri said it best when Cotto, in one of the later rounds was walking to his corner "The poor guy really looks lost". That about sums it up.
The fight, for Cotto's WBO Welterweight title, which took place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, was stopped 55 seconds into round 12 by referee Kenny Bayless.
Maybe the spectre of Antonio Margarito was in the ring last night with Miguel Cotto, or maybe it was just that Manny Pacquiao was just too good a fighter for Cotto. (You think?") Either way, niether Cotto nor his corner had an answer for Pacquiao. I don't know that anyone fighting today has an answer. Floyd Mayweather Jr? I don't think he has the balls. Sugar Shane Mosley? I'm not quite as sure as I was before last nights fight but if any fighter today can go toe to toe with Pacquiao and match his hand speed, it's Mosley. Juan Manuel Marquez? At one time but not anymore.
Cotto kept the fight competitive for the first half of the fight, despite getting knocked down in the third and fourth rounds. Once Manny got his groove on, the fight became a one sided beat down. Cotto, in full survival mode, sought only to end the fight on his feet. That alone took more heart than most of us can imagine. There was no quit in Cotto last night and for that alone he should be applauded.
Going into this fight I thought Cotto would win, not easily but I thought he would win. My reasons were sound and valid but there are always the intangibles. We can't see what lurks beneath a fighter's skin or what goes on in his head. My guess is, if I can say this with out taking anything away from Pacquiao, is that Cotto still suffered from the beating he took from Antonio Margarito. That became evident as the fight wore on. That's not making an excuse for Cotto either. He made the decision to fight Pacquiao and he alone lives with the consequences.
With this win over Miguel Cotto, Pacquiao has proven himself to be the undisputed "Pound for Pound" King. I can imagine that every champion from 152 up was breathing a sigh of relief when Pacquiao announced that the welterweights, 147, is his last stop. That is where he will remain.
I don't know why they allow the fighters to be interviewed prior to the fight but someone should have wrapped duct tape across Larry Merchant's mouth last night. In an act of thoughtless stupidity, the mentally bereft Merchant brought up the Margarito beating just before fight time. Why put that in Cotto's head? Why plant the seed of doubt?
Was it a great fight? It had it's moments in the first half and Pacquiao definitely gave a great performance but it evolved into a one sided beating when Cotto realized there was nothing he could do to stop Pacquiao.
My wife Jeri said it best when Cotto, in one of the later rounds was walking to his corner "The poor guy really looks lost". That about sums it up.
The fight, for Cotto's WBO Welterweight title, which took place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, was stopped 55 seconds into round 12 by referee Kenny Bayless.
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Randyman wrote:Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto
Maybe the spectre of Antonio Margarito was in the ring last night with Miguel Cotto, or maybe it was just that Manny Pacquiao was just too good a fighter for Cotto. (You think?") Either way, niether Cotto nor his corner had an answer for Pacquiao. I don't know that anyone fighting today has an answer. Floyd Mayweather Jr? I don't think he has the balls. Sugar Shane Mosley? I'm not quite as sure as I was before last nights fight but if any fighter today can go toe to toe with Pacquiao and match his hand speed, it's Mosley. Juan Manuel Marquez? At one time but not anymore.
Cotto kept the fight competitive for the first half of the fight, despite getting knocked down in the third and fourth rounds. Once Manny got his groove on, the fight became a one sided beat down. Cotto, in full survival mode, sought only to end the fight on his feet. That alone took more heart than most of us can imagine. There was no quit in Cotto last night and for that alone he should be applauded.
Going into this fight I thought Cotto would win, not easily but I thought he would win. My reasons were sound and valid but there are always the intangibles. We can't see what lurks beneath a fighter's skin or what goes on in his head. My guess is, if I can say this with out taking anything away from Pacquiao, is that Cotto still suffered from the beating he took from Antonio Margarito. That became evident as the fight wore on. That's not making an excuse for Cotto either. He made the decision to fight Pacquiao and he alone lives with the consequences.
With this win over Miguel Cotto, Pacquiao has proven himself to be the undisputed "Pound for Pound" King. I can imagine that every champion from 152 up was breathing a sigh of relief when Pacquiao announced that the welterweights, 147, is his last stop. That is where he will remain.
I don't know why they allow the fighters to be interviewed prior to the fight but someone should have wrapped duct tape across Larry Merchant's mouth last night. In an act of thoughtless stupidity, the mentally bereft Merchant brought up the Margarito beating just before fight time. Why put that in Cotto's head? Why plant the seed of doubt?
Was it a great fight? It had it's moments in the first half and Pacquiao definitely gave a great performance but it evolved into a one sided beating when Cotto realized there was nothing he could do to stop Pacquiao.
My wife Jeri said it best when Cotto, in one of the later rounds was walking to his corner "The poor guy really looks lost". That about sums it up.
The fight, for Cotto's WBO Welterweight title, which took place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, was stopped 55 seconds into round 12 by referee Kenny Bayless.
Randy . . . Your mention of Larry Merchant's stupidity brought to mind my exact thoughts. Not only did he refer to the Margarito beating to Cotto, he then asked Manny Pac about all the people suffering in the Phillipines resulting from recent Typhoons. The moron knows the fighter takes people's troubles seriously. Pac did a great job of dismissing the question. I believe we are witnessing the greatest boxer of this era. I believe the best since Duran, who was the best of his era. I think when you get to the level of a Duran, Armstrong, Robinson, Pep, Louis, or Pac, you cannot compare- great is great. I put Manny Pac in the same league as the boxers I just mentioned. On size, we know that Manny is a full on welter when he steps into the ring, but he had to manufacture the weight. It's not a situation of a boxer growing into the division. It says a lot with regard to size.
The following quote comes to mind: It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. We are lucky to have him. Who else in recent memory generated so much positive excitment in boxing? Let's just cut to the chase and match him with Vitali K! Why not?
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Boxing Legend status await the winner of Floyd -Pac. If it's a trilogy then both of them may be household names for a generation or more. Let's hope this happens, this is what boxing is all about. Don't write Floyd off, this could be one hell of a rumble or a series of rumbles. This is one huge dose of talent, with a very generous portion of skill and immeasurable pride on BOTH sides. Conflict on a nitro glycerin scale IMHO.
I'm glad that once again fate has brought two great talents together at one time. Let's hope neither camp gets cold feet now.
I'm glad that once again fate has brought two great talents together at one time. Let's hope neither camp gets cold feet now.
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BoxBuzz wrote:Boxing Legend status await the winner of Floyd -Pac. If it's a trilogy then both of them may be household names for a generation or more. Let's hope this happens, this is what boxing is all about. Don't write Floyd off, this could be one hell of a rumble or a series of rumbles. This is one huge dose of talent, with a very generous portion of skill and immeasurable pride on BOTH sides. Conflict on a nitro glycerin scale IMHO.
I'm glad that once again fate has brought two great talents together at one time. Let's hope neither camp gets cold feet now.
Rob . . . I'm not confident that Pac will beat Mayweather, despite my feelings regarding Pac's all-time status.
Style-wise, they really aren't good for each other. We'll see which one can "un-orthodox" the other.
Needless to say, I hope Manny can lay a whipping on him, but this guy is pretty slick.
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Pacquiao-Mayweather match must be made
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Nov 15, 3:33 am EST
LAS VEGAS – Just minutes after Manny Pacquiao had violently turned Miguel Cotto’s face into raw hamburger, the chant rose up from the stands of the MGM Grand Garden Arena:
“We want Floyd.”
Pacquiao had delivered a systematic demolition job of Cotto, winning the World Boxing Organization welterweight title via 12th round TKO with round after round of devastating shots against a bigger, stronger man.
It was the second electrifying boxing performance of the fall. The first was Floyd Mayweather Jr’s 12-round decision over Juan Manuel Marquez in September. That fight broke the rare 1 million pay-per-view bar, a number that will likely be exceeded by this fight too.
So now the stage is set for a super fight that could set box office records – Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. It’s the dream bout between the two best pound-for-pound champions in the sport, hopefully sometime in 2010.
“If Floyd Mayweather wants to fight Manny Pacquiao he knows who to call,” said Bob Arum, the CEO of Top Rank Boxing, the promotion which handles Pacquiao.
Within minutes, Ross Greenberg, the head of HBO Sports said he had spoken to Richard Shaefer of Golden Boy Promotions, which represents Mayweather.
“Richard told me point blank, Bob Arum will be getting that call Monday,” Greenberg said. “He plans on meeting next week with Bob to make the Mayweather fight.”
There will, no doubt, be posturing and preening and negotiating over the split. There are no small egos in this battle; no small checks, either.
“Benjamin Franklin is the most important personality [in the negotiation],” said Greenberg, whose company would handle the pay-per-view. “His face, multiplied by 15 million brings people to the table. Each guy needs to look at the big picture and the big picture is a boat load of cash and a fight too important for the sport.”
Greenberg said the 2007 fight between Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya resulted in an $80 million purse.
“Is this one smaller?” Greenberg said, shaking his head. “Bigger.”
For boxing fans who care little about who gets more of the final millions and just want to see two legendary fighters in the prime of their careers, this will be a tantalizing wait.
“I think that is the fight the world wants to see,” Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, said.
Pacquiao’s performance here was a thing of beauty, the continuation of a run of brilliance. He chopped a big, powerful opponent down with a combination of speed, smarts and toughness to take shots of his own.
He didn’t shy away from leaning on the ropes and mixing it up with Cotto because he said he wanted to prove he can fight a physical fight and was tired of hearing about Cotto’s supposed strength.
“I yelled at him every time, why are you fighting his fight?” Roach said. “Manny says, ‘I can handle it.’ I said, ‘Well, prove it.’ And he did.”
Post-fight, Cotto was sent to a local trauma unit. Pacquiao performed an eight-song set with his band at an outdoor concert at Mandalay Bay.
The night left little doubt about his genius.
Pacquiao, 30, who has won titles in a record six or seven weight classes (depending on which version of history you believe), said his 5-foot-6 frame can’t handle a weight higher than 145, so he’s running out of challengers.
The only real one left is Mayweather, 32, the 5-foot-7 welterweight who presents his own combination of historic quickness, boxing smarts and defensive skills.
Likewise, Pac-man is about the only real threat to Mayweather, who has dominated boxing in putting together a 40-0 record. Nearly two years ago, Mayweather was so bored from the lack of challengers, he retired for a stretch.
In his absence, Pacquiao rose, defeating both De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton in a much more brutal manner than Mayweather did. Now it’s Pac-man (50-3-2) who many call the pound-for-pound king, a fictional title that Mayweather insists is still his.
Now they can prove it.
Both are known for their ability to throw and land punches from unusual angles, from avoiding contact and for making each punch count. It would be speed against speed, true boxer against true boxer, two all-time greats, lined up and ready.
Each fighter’s colorful entourage had already started the debates and trash talk.
Floyd Mayweather Sr. launched into a circular rant that essentially accused Pacquiao of being on HGH. “I’ve been in boxing since I was 15 years old, I’ve never seen anything like it,” he said of Pacquiao’s new-found size and chin. Not that Senior said it would matter if Manny fought his son.
“When it’s time for us to fight, I’m going to show you all who the master is,” Mayweather Sr. said.
For good measure Mayweather Sr. claimed Roach was only a great trainer because he has a great fighter.
“Tell him to go [expletive] himself,” Roach said.
Roach said the game plan against Mayweather is obvious, catch him if you can.
“Mayweather is a very defensive fighter,” Roach said. “He doesn’t like to engage much. You have to pressure him. I think we have the hand speed to do that. We’d have to set traps for him and fight every minute of every round. I hear he [trains like] a machine too. I’d like to see who lasts longer.”
Roach also feels that with the chin Pacquiao showed against Cotto, that forcing the action against the softer hitting Mayweather won’t present a risk.
“Floyd can’t break a nail, he hurts his hands all the time,” Roach said. “He can’t knock Manny Pacquiao out.”
Pacquiao said he was taking a vacation and would fight whoever Arum set up for him. Mayweather Jr. did not attend the fight even though he lives in Las Vegas. His father said he did watch at home though and the loquacious boxer would have plenty to say in the future.
No one doubts that one.
And for once, it seems that boxing’s suicidal politics and factions won’t stand in the way of the fight everyone wants to see.
Pacquiao vs. Mayweather. See you in 2010.
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Nov 15, 3:33 am EST
LAS VEGAS – Just minutes after Manny Pacquiao had violently turned Miguel Cotto’s face into raw hamburger, the chant rose up from the stands of the MGM Grand Garden Arena:
“We want Floyd.”
Pacquiao had delivered a systematic demolition job of Cotto, winning the World Boxing Organization welterweight title via 12th round TKO with round after round of devastating shots against a bigger, stronger man.
It was the second electrifying boxing performance of the fall. The first was Floyd Mayweather Jr’s 12-round decision over Juan Manuel Marquez in September. That fight broke the rare 1 million pay-per-view bar, a number that will likely be exceeded by this fight too.
So now the stage is set for a super fight that could set box office records – Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. It’s the dream bout between the two best pound-for-pound champions in the sport, hopefully sometime in 2010.
“If Floyd Mayweather wants to fight Manny Pacquiao he knows who to call,” said Bob Arum, the CEO of Top Rank Boxing, the promotion which handles Pacquiao.
Within minutes, Ross Greenberg, the head of HBO Sports said he had spoken to Richard Shaefer of Golden Boy Promotions, which represents Mayweather.
“Richard told me point blank, Bob Arum will be getting that call Monday,” Greenberg said. “He plans on meeting next week with Bob to make the Mayweather fight.”
There will, no doubt, be posturing and preening and negotiating over the split. There are no small egos in this battle; no small checks, either.
“Benjamin Franklin is the most important personality [in the negotiation],” said Greenberg, whose company would handle the pay-per-view. “His face, multiplied by 15 million brings people to the table. Each guy needs to look at the big picture and the big picture is a boat load of cash and a fight too important for the sport.”
Greenberg said the 2007 fight between Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya resulted in an $80 million purse.
“Is this one smaller?” Greenberg said, shaking his head. “Bigger.”
For boxing fans who care little about who gets more of the final millions and just want to see two legendary fighters in the prime of their careers, this will be a tantalizing wait.
“I think that is the fight the world wants to see,” Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, said.
Pacquiao’s performance here was a thing of beauty, the continuation of a run of brilliance. He chopped a big, powerful opponent down with a combination of speed, smarts and toughness to take shots of his own.
He didn’t shy away from leaning on the ropes and mixing it up with Cotto because he said he wanted to prove he can fight a physical fight and was tired of hearing about Cotto’s supposed strength.
“I yelled at him every time, why are you fighting his fight?” Roach said. “Manny says, ‘I can handle it.’ I said, ‘Well, prove it.’ And he did.”
Post-fight, Cotto was sent to a local trauma unit. Pacquiao performed an eight-song set with his band at an outdoor concert at Mandalay Bay.
The night left little doubt about his genius.
Pacquiao, 30, who has won titles in a record six or seven weight classes (depending on which version of history you believe), said his 5-foot-6 frame can’t handle a weight higher than 145, so he’s running out of challengers.
The only real one left is Mayweather, 32, the 5-foot-7 welterweight who presents his own combination of historic quickness, boxing smarts and defensive skills.
Likewise, Pac-man is about the only real threat to Mayweather, who has dominated boxing in putting together a 40-0 record. Nearly two years ago, Mayweather was so bored from the lack of challengers, he retired for a stretch.
In his absence, Pacquiao rose, defeating both De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton in a much more brutal manner than Mayweather did. Now it’s Pac-man (50-3-2) who many call the pound-for-pound king, a fictional title that Mayweather insists is still his.
Now they can prove it.
Both are known for their ability to throw and land punches from unusual angles, from avoiding contact and for making each punch count. It would be speed against speed, true boxer against true boxer, two all-time greats, lined up and ready.
Each fighter’s colorful entourage had already started the debates and trash talk.
Floyd Mayweather Sr. launched into a circular rant that essentially accused Pacquiao of being on HGH. “I’ve been in boxing since I was 15 years old, I’ve never seen anything like it,” he said of Pacquiao’s new-found size and chin. Not that Senior said it would matter if Manny fought his son.
“When it’s time for us to fight, I’m going to show you all who the master is,” Mayweather Sr. said.
For good measure Mayweather Sr. claimed Roach was only a great trainer because he has a great fighter.
“Tell him to go [expletive] himself,” Roach said.
Roach said the game plan against Mayweather is obvious, catch him if you can.
“Mayweather is a very defensive fighter,” Roach said. “He doesn’t like to engage much. You have to pressure him. I think we have the hand speed to do that. We’d have to set traps for him and fight every minute of every round. I hear he [trains like] a machine too. I’d like to see who lasts longer.”
Roach also feels that with the chin Pacquiao showed against Cotto, that forcing the action against the softer hitting Mayweather won’t present a risk.
“Floyd can’t break a nail, he hurts his hands all the time,” Roach said. “He can’t knock Manny Pacquiao out.”
Pacquiao said he was taking a vacation and would fight whoever Arum set up for him. Mayweather Jr. did not attend the fight even though he lives in Las Vegas. His father said he did watch at home though and the loquacious boxer would have plenty to say in the future.
No one doubts that one.
And for once, it seems that boxing’s suicidal politics and factions won’t stand in the way of the fight everyone wants to see.
Pacquiao vs. Mayweather. See you in 2010.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Well done Rog, very regal. I posted it on my site.Rick Farris wrote:dagosd2000 wrote:
Manny Pacquiao
Randy
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Man, I just finished a king size meat loaf sandwich worthy of "pound for pound" staus. Last night Jeri made two large meat loaves for dinner, complete with mashed potatoes and gravy and fresh asparagus spears and dinner rolls.
The best part for me is the next day. Some good white bread with butter and mayo, two slices of meat loaf, cheese, lettuce and tomato with thinly sliced red onion. Meat Loaf sandwich, one of my many, many faovorites. You can't have too many favorites.
Randy
The best part for me is the next day. Some good white bread with butter and mayo, two slices of meat loaf, cheese, lettuce and tomato with thinly sliced red onion. Meat Loaf sandwich, one of my many, many faovorites. You can't have too many favorites.
Randy
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Thanks for posting!!Boxingnut wrote:Something for the West Coast guys here:
Randy
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That Pac artwork is first class! Just out of pure curiosity when did you create this expression?
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Randyman wrote:Man, I just finished a king size meat loaf sandwich worthy of "pound for pound" staus. Last night Jeri made two large meat loaves for dinner, complete with mashed potatoes and gravy and fresh asparagus spears and dinner rolls.
The best part for me is the next day. Some good white bread with butter and mayo, two slices of meat loaf, cheese, lettuce and tomato with thinly sliced red onion. Meat Loaf sandwich, one of my many, many faovorites. You can't have too many favorites.
Randy
Damn, Randy. I just gained five pounds reading your post!
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I saw a side shot of Manny on the internet and then painted my impression of him.BoxBuzz wrote:That Pac artwork is first class! Just out of pure curiosity when did you create this expression?
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Hello Everyone,
Do you remember me? I haven't posted here for a long time.
First of all, Roger, you did a very nice painting of Pacquiao. I didn't get to see his fight as I was at LAX returning from my trip to Guadalajara.
It was a great privilege for me to be in my hometown once again after 47 years.
The reason I had been invited was to be honored along with 18 other champions that have come out of the same area (the State of Jalisco, Guadalajara being the capitol.)This exciting event on Friday was the first such event in Guadalajara's boxing history. The list of champions started with my cousin. Jose Becerra, who was the first champion who won the title in 1959. The list continued through 2009, 50 years of boxing champions. Jose received a standing ovation in celebration of his 50 years of being a champion.
Here is the list of champions---Jose Becerra, Efren "Alacran" Torres, Juan Zurita, Rafael Herrera. Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez, Pedro Flores, Antonio Avelar, Gorge Vaca, Alejandro Gonzalez, Rafael Ruelas, Gabriel Ruelas, Oscar Larios,
Javier Jauregui, Ulises Solis, Omar Nino, Manuel Vargas, Irma Sanchez, Saul Alvarez, and Juan Jose Montes. The event will be shown nationwide on TELEVISA on November 19, however I don't know the time.
I have stories to tell about this event, but that will be in my next post tomorrow.
El Gato
Do you remember me? I haven't posted here for a long time.
First of all, Roger, you did a very nice painting of Pacquiao. I didn't get to see his fight as I was at LAX returning from my trip to Guadalajara.
It was a great privilege for me to be in my hometown once again after 47 years.
The reason I had been invited was to be honored along with 18 other champions that have come out of the same area (the State of Jalisco, Guadalajara being the capitol.)This exciting event on Friday was the first such event in Guadalajara's boxing history. The list of champions started with my cousin. Jose Becerra, who was the first champion who won the title in 1959. The list continued through 2009, 50 years of boxing champions. Jose received a standing ovation in celebration of his 50 years of being a champion.
Here is the list of champions---Jose Becerra, Efren "Alacran" Torres, Juan Zurita, Rafael Herrera. Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez, Pedro Flores, Antonio Avelar, Gorge Vaca, Alejandro Gonzalez, Rafael Ruelas, Gabriel Ruelas, Oscar Larios,
Javier Jauregui, Ulises Solis, Omar Nino, Manuel Vargas, Irma Sanchez, Saul Alvarez, and Juan Jose Montes. The event will be shown nationwide on TELEVISA on November 19, however I don't know the time.
I have stories to tell about this event, but that will be in my next post tomorrow.
El Gato
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After decades of waiting, their trains have arrived
A sense of kinship and progress in East Los Angeles as riders and residents celebrate the opening of the Gold Line extension. The area had long been among the most transit-dependent yet underserved.
A passenger catches a Gold Line train at Pico/Aliso station. The $898-million extension that opened Sunday is the first commuter train in nearly 50 years to serve East L.A. Several development projects are planned near stations. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times / November 15, 2009)
By Ari B. Bloomekatz and Hector Becerra
November 16, 2009
The sun had not yet risen when the first commuter train in nearly half a century set off from downtown to East Los Angeles, extending a new line of public transportation to some of the city's most underserved neighborhoods.
At 3:40 a.m. Sunday the first passengers were train enthusiasts, students and workers for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which built the six-mile Gold Line extension. A few hours later, the neighborhood showed up.
More than 50,000 people were estimated to have taken part in a festive day of celebration and free rides. Starting today, riding the entire 20-mile Gold Line route from Pasadena to East L.A.'s Atlantic station will cost a nominal $1.25.
"I feel like East L.A. matters a little bit more," said longtime resident Joe Zenteno, 40, just minutes after rolling his bike into a sleek Metro train at the Mariachi Plaza stop in Boyle Heights. "I love East L.A., bro. This is a good neighborhood. And I think this is going to make people care a little bit more about their community."
One question in the minds of local officials and business owners is whether others across Los Angeles County will be drawn to the area as well.
For years, Boyle Heights and East L.A. have been among the most public transportation-dependent neighborhoods in Southern California.
For even longer, they have lacked the kind of regional draw -- a multiplex, a gleaming shipping district, a major entertainment center -- that can enhance civic pride. While the Gold Line's northern link from Pasadena passes such landmarks as Old Town, the Southwest Museum and Chinatown, the route through East L.A. finds places prized more by locals: revered burrito joints and Mexican restaurants, a well-trodden 19th century cemetery surrounded by a jogging track, and a plaza where you can hire a band of mariachis on the fly.
To many outsiders, the area is seen as a collection of poor and dangerous neighborhoods, despite historic drops in violent crime. That's one reason Los Angeles City Councilman Jose Huizar, who is also an MTA board member, said the Gold Line's opening is so meaningful.
When John Peckham, a visitor from faraway Torrance, told him Sunday that he was pleasantly surprised by the neighborhood, Huizar smiled and raised his arms: "I've been saying that all day!"
A major impetus for the $898-million rail line was to make it easier and cheaper for residents to reach jobs in downtown and beyond. But the Gold Line extension is also important because of the promise it portends, Huizar said. He believes it could spark a renaissance, ushering in businesses and an arts district and leading to the discovery of neighborhoods that have "been neglected" for decades.
"People are going to come to explore," he said.
Irma Lozano, 38, sure hopes so. On Sunday, she peeked through an open door at Mi Ranchito restaurant near the Soto Street Station in Boyle Heights.
Like many small businesses along the route, the eatery paid a heavy toll during the roughly five years of construction when the street out front was torn up.
For two years its kitchen was all but closed, essentially turning the place into a bar with only a few dishes, mostly soups.
"With the recession and construction, business just stopped," Lozano said. "It's been terrible with the customers. But I think the train is going to help us now."
"That's what you hope," said Ruben Garcia, 40, one of only three customers in the place.
Charles Sammis, a USC professor of Earth sciences who lives in South Pasadena, said he plans to come back. The 65-year-old Sammis and his 63-year-old wife, Judy, a high school physics and math teacher, said they were excited to see the rail extension.
"We're looking forward to trying new places to eat," he said.
Roger Moliere, chief of real property management and development for the MTA, said several development projects are planned near stations, though he added that the recession was gumming up the process.
"My hope and expectation is that it will be an extraordinary economic boon to the area," he said.
Eric Avila, a professor of history and Chicano studies at UCLA, said the Gold Line extension is a victory for social justice, and signals a shift in transportation planning. The freeways built around Boyle Heights "cordoned off the area from the rest of the city," he said.
But development of the rail line hasn't come without safety concerns. The Eastside extension dips underground in only a few spots. Most of it travels like a stitched-in zipper through narrow streets, at surface level and usually just feet away from cars.
While praising the rail line, Los Angeles County Supervisor Gloria Molina has argued that the route needs crossing arms at some intersections.
During the first 90 days of operation, the MTA will have "safety ambassadors" to help riders and pedestrians get acclimated to the line.
Sunday morning began with relatively few riders, but by early afternoon the platforms were overcrowded, there were lines to get on the trains, and passengers squeezed together in standing-room-only cars.
There were a few snags, including a door that wouldn't fully close when a train stopped at Mariachi Plaza and an elevator that didn't work there -- forcing some to carry strollers up three flights of stairs.
But the mood was decidedly cheerful.
Accordion player Roberto Olmos, 62, said he boarded the train in Boyle Heights to deliver a small bag of tamales to his wife in East L.A.
"It's a lot faster than the bus," he said. "Sometimes you're waiting for almost an hour for a bus."
Victor Orozco, 57, rode the train with his 9-year-old grandson, Jacob Astorga. Orozco, a Caltrans worker from La Habra, said his father used to take him on a rail car that rolled down First Street when he was a boy. Los Angeles' streetcar system began disappearing in the early 1960s.
"I wanted my grandson to be part of this," Orozco said.
As he hopped on the train with his wife and 8-month-old son, machinist Victor Vasquez, 38, said he wouldn't use the train to go to work because his job is so close to their home.
His wife, Alejandra Jeronimo, 27, works at a bakery within walking distance. But Vasquez said they would use the Gold Line for other trips.
As Vasquez spoke, his son, Jose Armando, jumped excitedly on his mother's lap and peered out the window.
"We love to go out," Vasquez said. "I'm already seeing places we'd like to visit using the train."
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A sense of kinship and progress in East Los Angeles as riders and residents celebrate the opening of the Gold Line extension. The area had long been among the most transit-dependent yet underserved.
A passenger catches a Gold Line train at Pico/Aliso station. The $898-million extension that opened Sunday is the first commuter train in nearly 50 years to serve East L.A. Several development projects are planned near stations. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times / November 15, 2009)
By Ari B. Bloomekatz and Hector Becerra
November 16, 2009
The sun had not yet risen when the first commuter train in nearly half a century set off from downtown to East Los Angeles, extending a new line of public transportation to some of the city's most underserved neighborhoods.
At 3:40 a.m. Sunday the first passengers were train enthusiasts, students and workers for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which built the six-mile Gold Line extension. A few hours later, the neighborhood showed up.
More than 50,000 people were estimated to have taken part in a festive day of celebration and free rides. Starting today, riding the entire 20-mile Gold Line route from Pasadena to East L.A.'s Atlantic station will cost a nominal $1.25.
"I feel like East L.A. matters a little bit more," said longtime resident Joe Zenteno, 40, just minutes after rolling his bike into a sleek Metro train at the Mariachi Plaza stop in Boyle Heights. "I love East L.A., bro. This is a good neighborhood. And I think this is going to make people care a little bit more about their community."
One question in the minds of local officials and business owners is whether others across Los Angeles County will be drawn to the area as well.
For years, Boyle Heights and East L.A. have been among the most public transportation-dependent neighborhoods in Southern California.
For even longer, they have lacked the kind of regional draw -- a multiplex, a gleaming shipping district, a major entertainment center -- that can enhance civic pride. While the Gold Line's northern link from Pasadena passes such landmarks as Old Town, the Southwest Museum and Chinatown, the route through East L.A. finds places prized more by locals: revered burrito joints and Mexican restaurants, a well-trodden 19th century cemetery surrounded by a jogging track, and a plaza where you can hire a band of mariachis on the fly.
To many outsiders, the area is seen as a collection of poor and dangerous neighborhoods, despite historic drops in violent crime. That's one reason Los Angeles City Councilman Jose Huizar, who is also an MTA board member, said the Gold Line's opening is so meaningful.
When John Peckham, a visitor from faraway Torrance, told him Sunday that he was pleasantly surprised by the neighborhood, Huizar smiled and raised his arms: "I've been saying that all day!"
A major impetus for the $898-million rail line was to make it easier and cheaper for residents to reach jobs in downtown and beyond. But the Gold Line extension is also important because of the promise it portends, Huizar said. He believes it could spark a renaissance, ushering in businesses and an arts district and leading to the discovery of neighborhoods that have "been neglected" for decades.
"People are going to come to explore," he said.
Irma Lozano, 38, sure hopes so. On Sunday, she peeked through an open door at Mi Ranchito restaurant near the Soto Street Station in Boyle Heights.
Like many small businesses along the route, the eatery paid a heavy toll during the roughly five years of construction when the street out front was torn up.
For two years its kitchen was all but closed, essentially turning the place into a bar with only a few dishes, mostly soups.
"With the recession and construction, business just stopped," Lozano said. "It's been terrible with the customers. But I think the train is going to help us now."
"That's what you hope," said Ruben Garcia, 40, one of only three customers in the place.
Charles Sammis, a USC professor of Earth sciences who lives in South Pasadena, said he plans to come back. The 65-year-old Sammis and his 63-year-old wife, Judy, a high school physics and math teacher, said they were excited to see the rail extension.
"We're looking forward to trying new places to eat," he said.
Roger Moliere, chief of real property management and development for the MTA, said several development projects are planned near stations, though he added that the recession was gumming up the process.
"My hope and expectation is that it will be an extraordinary economic boon to the area," he said.
Eric Avila, a professor of history and Chicano studies at UCLA, said the Gold Line extension is a victory for social justice, and signals a shift in transportation planning. The freeways built around Boyle Heights "cordoned off the area from the rest of the city," he said.
But development of the rail line hasn't come without safety concerns. The Eastside extension dips underground in only a few spots. Most of it travels like a stitched-in zipper through narrow streets, at surface level and usually just feet away from cars.
While praising the rail line, Los Angeles County Supervisor Gloria Molina has argued that the route needs crossing arms at some intersections.
During the first 90 days of operation, the MTA will have "safety ambassadors" to help riders and pedestrians get acclimated to the line.
Sunday morning began with relatively few riders, but by early afternoon the platforms were overcrowded, there were lines to get on the trains, and passengers squeezed together in standing-room-only cars.
There were a few snags, including a door that wouldn't fully close when a train stopped at Mariachi Plaza and an elevator that didn't work there -- forcing some to carry strollers up three flights of stairs.
But the mood was decidedly cheerful.
Accordion player Roberto Olmos, 62, said he boarded the train in Boyle Heights to deliver a small bag of tamales to his wife in East L.A.
"It's a lot faster than the bus," he said. "Sometimes you're waiting for almost an hour for a bus."
Victor Orozco, 57, rode the train with his 9-year-old grandson, Jacob Astorga. Orozco, a Caltrans worker from La Habra, said his father used to take him on a rail car that rolled down First Street when he was a boy. Los Angeles' streetcar system began disappearing in the early 1960s.
"I wanted my grandson to be part of this," Orozco said.
As he hopped on the train with his wife and 8-month-old son, machinist Victor Vasquez, 38, said he wouldn't use the train to go to work because his job is so close to their home.
His wife, Alejandra Jeronimo, 27, works at a bakery within walking distance. But Vasquez said they would use the Gold Line for other trips.
As Vasquez spoke, his son, Jose Armando, jumped excitedly on his mother's lap and peered out the window.
"We love to go out," Vasquez said. "I'm already seeing places we'd like to visit using the train."
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dagosd2000 wrote:
Manny Pacquiao
Roger, I took the liberty of posting Pacman on the CBZ, hope you don't mind....
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Update: Firepower!
November 15, 2009 by Edgar Gonzalez
In an amazing, violent fight, Manny Pacquiao (49-3-2, 37 KOs) stopped WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto (34-1, 27 KOs) in round twelve to win another world title in an unprecedented seventh weight division on Saturday night before more than 16,000 fans at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Both fighters were on the attack from the opening bell. Pacman dropped Cotto with a right hook in round three. Cotto dominated round four, but was dropped by a left uppercut at the end of the round. Cotto fought courageously but was rocked again in the sixth by Pacman’s hurtful shots coming in from all angles. Cotto began to box from the outside in the seventh with some success. However, Pacquiao continued to stalk him and break him down. Cotto was in survival mode down the stretch. Referee Kenny Bayless finally waved in off in round twelve. Time was :55.
Manny Pacquiao likened himself to a tiger that stalked a wounded prey after his sensational stoppage victory “I was like a ferocious tiger,” said Pacquiao in Filipino as he was waiting for the cue to entertain an interview request with ESPN Deportes at the Pacquiao-Cotto Media Center. “Cotto kept on running,” said Pacquiao of his fallen Puerto Rican foe, who he later showered with praises. “Cotto is still very tough, though,” added Pacquiao.
Photo by GABRIEL BOUYS/AFP/Getty Images
November 15, 2009 by Edgar Gonzalez
In an amazing, violent fight, Manny Pacquiao (49-3-2, 37 KOs) stopped WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto (34-1, 27 KOs) in round twelve to win another world title in an unprecedented seventh weight division on Saturday night before more than 16,000 fans at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Both fighters were on the attack from the opening bell. Pacman dropped Cotto with a right hook in round three. Cotto dominated round four, but was dropped by a left uppercut at the end of the round. Cotto fought courageously but was rocked again in the sixth by Pacman’s hurtful shots coming in from all angles. Cotto began to box from the outside in the seventh with some success. However, Pacquiao continued to stalk him and break him down. Cotto was in survival mode down the stretch. Referee Kenny Bayless finally waved in off in round twelve. Time was :55.
Manny Pacquiao likened himself to a tiger that stalked a wounded prey after his sensational stoppage victory “I was like a ferocious tiger,” said Pacquiao in Filipino as he was waiting for the cue to entertain an interview request with ESPN Deportes at the Pacquiao-Cotto Media Center. “Cotto kept on running,” said Pacquiao of his fallen Puerto Rican foe, who he later showered with praises. “Cotto is still very tough, though,” added Pacquiao.
Photo by GABRIEL BOUYS/AFP/Getty Images
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
No problem. I need all the exposure I can getkikibalt wrote:dagosd2000 wrote:
Manny Pacquiao
Roger, I took the liberty of posting Pacman on the CBZ, hope you don't mind....
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
I think this is the best way to see a big city like LA. Just like New York. Get on the shuttle and go in every direction.kikibalt wrote:After decades of waiting, their trains have arrived
A sense of kinship and progress in East Los Angeles as riders and residents celebrate the opening of the Gold Line extension. The area had long been among the most transit-dependent yet underserved.
A passenger catches a Gold Line train at Pico/Aliso station. The $898-million extension that opened Sunday is the first commuter train in nearly 50 years to serve East L.A. Several development projects are planned near stations. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times / November 15, 2009)
By Ari B. Bloomekatz and Hector Becerra
November 16, 2009
The sun had not yet risen when the first commuter train in nearly half a century set off from downtown to East Los Angeles, extending a new line of public transportation to some of the city's most underserved neighborhoods.
At 3:40 a.m. Sunday the first passengers were train enthusiasts, students and workers for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which built the six-mile Gold Line extension. A few hours later, the neighborhood showed up.
More than 50,000 people were estimated to have taken part in a festive day of celebration and free rides. Starting today, riding the entire 20-mile Gold Line route from Pasadena to East L.A.'s Atlantic station will cost a nominal $1.25.
"I feel like East L.A. matters a little bit more," said longtime resident Joe Zenteno, 40, just minutes after rolling his bike into a sleek Metro train at the Mariachi Plaza stop in Boyle Heights. "I love East L.A., bro. This is a good neighborhood. And I think this is going to make people care a little bit more about their community."
One question in the minds of local officials and business owners is whether others across Los Angeles County will be drawn to the area as well.
For years, Boyle Heights and East L.A. have been among the most public transportation-dependent neighborhoods in Southern California.
For even longer, they have lacked the kind of regional draw -- a multiplex, a gleaming shipping district, a major entertainment center -- that can enhance civic pride. While the Gold Line's northern link from Pasadena passes such landmarks as Old Town, the Southwest Museum and Chinatown, the route through East L.A. finds places prized more by locals: revered burrito joints and Mexican restaurants, a well-trodden 19th century cemetery surrounded by a jogging track, and a plaza where you can hire a band of mariachis on the fly.
To many outsiders, the area is seen as a collection of poor and dangerous neighborhoods, despite historic drops in violent crime. That's one reason Los Angeles City Councilman Jose Huizar, who is also an MTA board member, said the Gold Line's opening is so meaningful.
When John Peckham, a visitor from faraway Torrance, told him Sunday that he was pleasantly surprised by the neighborhood, Huizar smiled and raised his arms: "I've been saying that all day!"
A major impetus for the $898-million rail line was to make it easier and cheaper for residents to reach jobs in downtown and beyond. But the Gold Line extension is also important because of the promise it portends, Huizar said. He believes it could spark a renaissance, ushering in businesses and an arts district and leading to the discovery of neighborhoods that have "been neglected" for decades.
"People are going to come to explore," he said.
Irma Lozano, 38, sure hopes so. On Sunday, she peeked through an open door at Mi Ranchito restaurant near the Soto Street Station in Boyle Heights.
Like many small businesses along the route, the eatery paid a heavy toll during the roughly five years of construction when the street out front was torn up.
For two years its kitchen was all but closed, essentially turning the place into a bar with only a few dishes, mostly soups.
"With the recession and construction, business just stopped," Lozano said. "It's been terrible with the customers. But I think the train is going to help us now."
"That's what you hope," said Ruben Garcia, 40, one of only three customers in the place.
Charles Sammis, a USC professor of Earth sciences who lives in South Pasadena, said he plans to come back. The 65-year-old Sammis and his 63-year-old wife, Judy, a high school physics and math teacher, said they were excited to see the rail extension.
"We're looking forward to trying new places to eat," he said.
Roger Moliere, chief of real property management and development for the MTA, said several development projects are planned near stations, though he added that the recession was gumming up the process.
"My hope and expectation is that it will be an extraordinary economic boon to the area," he said.
Eric Avila, a professor of history and Chicano studies at UCLA, said the Gold Line extension is a victory for social justice, and signals a shift in transportation planning. The freeways built around Boyle Heights "cordoned off the area from the rest of the city," he said.
But development of the rail line hasn't come without safety concerns. The Eastside extension dips underground in only a few spots. Most of it travels like a stitched-in zipper through narrow streets, at surface level and usually just feet away from cars.
While praising the rail line, Los Angeles County Supervisor Gloria Molina has argued that the route needs crossing arms at some intersections.
During the first 90 days of operation, the MTA will have "safety ambassadors" to help riders and pedestrians get acclimated to the line.
Sunday morning began with relatively few riders, but by early afternoon the platforms were overcrowded, there were lines to get on the trains, and passengers squeezed together in standing-room-only cars.
There were a few snags, including a door that wouldn't fully close when a train stopped at Mariachi Plaza and an elevator that didn't work there -- forcing some to carry strollers up three flights of stairs.
But the mood was decidedly cheerful.
Accordion player Roberto Olmos, 62, said he boarded the train in Boyle Heights to deliver a small bag of tamales to his wife in East L.A.
"It's a lot faster than the bus," he said. "Sometimes you're waiting for almost an hour for a bus."
Victor Orozco, 57, rode the train with his 9-year-old grandson, Jacob Astorga. Orozco, a Caltrans worker from La Habra, said his father used to take him on a rail car that rolled down First Street when he was a boy. Los Angeles' streetcar system began disappearing in the early 1960s.
"I wanted my grandson to be part of this," Orozco said.
As he hopped on the train with his wife and 8-month-old son, machinist Victor Vasquez, 38, said he wouldn't use the train to go to work because his job is so close to their home.
His wife, Alejandra Jeronimo, 27, works at a bakery within walking distance. But Vasquez said they would use the Gold Line for other trips.
As Vasquez spoke, his son, Jose Armando, jumped excitedly on his mother's lap and peered out the window.
"We love to go out," Vasquez said. "I'm already seeing places we'd like to visit using the train."
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GatoEl Gato wrote:Hello Everyone,
Do you remember me? I haven't posted here for a long time.
First of all, Roger, you did a very nice painting of Pacquiao. I didn't get to see his fight as I was at LAX returning from my trip to Guadalajara.
It was a great privilege for me to be in my hometown once again after 47 years.
The reason I had been invited was to be honored along with 18 other champions that have come out of the same area (the State of Jalisco, Guadalajara being the capitol.)This exciting event on Friday was the first such event in Guadalajara's boxing history. The list of champions started with my cousin. Jose Becerra, who was the first champion who won the title in 1959. The list continued through 2009, 50 years of boxing champions. Jose received a standing ovation in celebration of his 50 years of being a champion.
Here is the list of champions---Jose Becerra, Efren "Alacran" Torres, Juan Zurita, Rafael Herrera. Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez, Pedro Flores, Antonio Avelar, Gorge Vaca, Alejandro Gonzalez, Rafael Ruelas, Gabriel Ruelas, Oscar Larios,
Javier Jauregui, Ulises Solis, Omar Nino, Manuel Vargas, Irma Sanchez, Saul Alvarez, and Juan Jose Montes. The event will be shown nationwide on TELEVISA on November 19, however I don't know the time.
I have stories to tell about this event, but that will be in my next post tomorrow.
El Gato
Glad you had a good time. One of these days we'll all go to Jiquilpan. Roger
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The Generation's Best
By Steve Kim
There are many times when you can accuse promoter Bob Arum of hyperbole or exaggeration. But you cant really blame him, after all, that’s his job. But what was once considered another brash statement by the Harvard educated pitchman, must now be considered seriously. Last Wednesday night on a certain internet radio show( where he hung up when some smart-ass host asked him about his ’spectacular’ undercard’) he stated that Manny Pacquiao was the greatest fighter he had ever seen. This from a man who has promoted the likes of Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard.
It seemed like boxing blasphemy at the time. But after Pacquiao’s systematic and brutal dispatching of Miguel Cotto over 12 rounds this past Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, you can no longer roll your eyes or snicker when such utterances are made.
"The best fighter I have ever seen," Arum, said once again, at the post-fight press conference.
Some of you will still believe that Arum is exorbitant in his praise. But this much is clear, as that famous saying goes: the class he’s in, it doesn’t take too long to conduct roll call. I don’t know where he ranks all-time( I’m still waaaay to young to make those observations) but you can certainly make the case that he’s the best fighter of this generation. And perhaps that’s the only fair comparison to make. The bottom line is that the sport and the business of boxing has changed. Fighters simply don’t perform nearly as often as they used to. And it’s difficult to compare boxers with well over 100 fights, to those who now perform twice a year. Then there is the proliferation of weight classes and title belts, which many believe have diluted the sport.
Nobody has accomplished what Pacquiao has in the past couple of decades. Winning titles in seven weight classes, from flyweight to welterweight. And in between engaging in a heated round-robin with the ’Three Mexican Musketeers’( Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez) and then moving up in weight to physically dominate the likes of Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and now, Cotto. Against those aforementioned names- several of whom are locks to have their fists encased in Canastota, one day- his record is 8-1-1 with six stoppages to his credit and at least a dozen knockdowns.
He’s the most mesmerizing combination of speed and power the game has. As he started to let his hands go in the second round versus Cotto, he reminded you of Bruce Lee with his hard, striking, accurate combinations that bruised and battered the body and head of Cotto, who skipped the post-fight presser to get a full body scan at a local hospital. It wasn’t that Pacquiao just hit hard, he hit often. To a point where Cotto was getting deluged by a torrent of leather that he was unable to fend off. After Pacquiao’s second knockdown in the fourth round( after scoring one in a back-and-forth third frame), Cotto was visibly stunned and from that juncture unable to hold off this Filipino storm. Just as typhoons had ravaged his country, Pacquiao would do so to Cotto, with almost the same devastating effect.
But what was perhaps the most stunning aspect of this conquest was that in the early rounds Cotto seemingly had Pacquiao where he wanted him- retreating and with his back to the ropes. And Cotto, a noted body-puncher, banged away downstairs with violent force. It’s one thing to allow sparring partners to beat on your sides as if you’re a heavy-bag, it’s an entirely different to let Cotto do it. His trainer, Freddie Roach didn’t like this tactic." I yelled at him every time.’Why are you fighting his fight?’"
But Pacquiao, perhaps on his own instinct, was doing his own version of the rope-a-dope. "I heard that he’s a stronger man than me. I wanted to test his power," he explained. Psychologically, he showed he could absorb whatever the supposedly bigger man could dish out without flinching. As he was hit to the body, he did his best to mask any pain. He stated that he was fighting this battle,"In my mind." But make no doubt about it, this was as physical a fight as Pacquiao has ever been involved in. There was a price to pay for this strategy. His right ear was bandaged up afterwords and there was noticeable swelling and bruising all over his face. We knew a lot about Pacquiao before, on this night we found out he also has a world-class set of whiskers. He’s tough as he is talented.
From a tactical standpoint, Pacquiao began to find counter-punching opportunities on Cotto, who Roach believed gave away his punches, specifically his left-hook, as he shifted most of his weight to his front foot. Also, with his elbows so flared out, he gives up what they call in hockey, ’the five hole’- in other words, an opening right up the middle. The ’boxing master’, as he was called by his pupil, studied Cotto’s life-and-death struggle with DeMarcus Corley, at great length. The right-hook and uppercuts would be vital to their game plan. And while the hand-speed of Pacquiao gave Cotto fits, there was also a great disparity in foot-speed. While Pacquiao could dart in and out with ease, and change directions, Cotto simply could not deal with the angles provided by Pacquiao.
As the on-slaught continued, the fight had a familiar quality to it for Cotto. As the damage mounted and he began to retreat, this looked more and more like his loss to Antonio Margarito last summer. The body language said it all from ringside. This was no longer about winning, but surviving. It was a bit stunning to see the supposedly bigger man, in a full-blown back pedal, circling the canvas. When Cotto gets up on his toes, it’s not so much boxing, but an attempt to run out the clock.
The fight was mercifully waved off by referee Kenny Bayless in the 12Th and final round as Pacquiao delivered another hard left that had Cotto buckling on the ropes. A very good, proud fighter, was simply beaten down by an all-time great. Cotto, should be lauded for his courage, and unfortunately, his corner, led by a novice- Joe Santiago- should be chastised for being much too courageous on behalf of their boxer. Because by the late rounds, what was once a great fight in the early rounds had become a landslide.
To see the technical improvements in the last year or so from Pacquiao is startling. There was a time when he was viewed as crowd-pleasing, yet flawed fighter. He was an offensive force with his left-hand but considered predictable and one-dimensional. Now he is a two-fisted wrecking machine with greatly improved defense and balance. And under the tutelage of Roach, his boxing IQ has risen exponentially. There have been some legendary duo’s in this sport, from Chappie Blackburn and Joe Louis, to Angelo Dundee and Muhammad Ali, it’s not a stretch to include this dynamic duo. These two are like Johnny Sakko and his Giant Robot. Whatever Roach tells him to do, the marching orders are executed to frightening efficiency with a wide variety of weapons at his disposal. The only difference is that Roach whispers into Pacquiao’s ears during the fight and not a wristwatch.
Who knows where Pacquiao goes next. You get the sense that despite the chants that were heard from the rafters of the Grand Garden Arena( WE WANT FLOYD!!! WE WANT FLOYD!!!) that a hook-up with Mayweather wont come to fruition immediately. But where he certainly isn’t going is up any more weight classes. He stated unequivocally,"This is my last weight division." Which is too bad, this is the one guy capable of getting either Klitschko into an entertaining fight.( OK, OK, admittedly, THAT is hyperbole.)
The man who had enough hubris to schedule a post-fight concert at the Mandalay Bay, still considers himself, ’ordinary’ as a fighter. Which prompted his trainer to correct him." Manny, you’re not an ordinary fighter," said Roach.He later added," He’s the greatest of this era, that’s for sure."
I wont argue with that statement.
By Steve Kim
There are many times when you can accuse promoter Bob Arum of hyperbole or exaggeration. But you cant really blame him, after all, that’s his job. But what was once considered another brash statement by the Harvard educated pitchman, must now be considered seriously. Last Wednesday night on a certain internet radio show( where he hung up when some smart-ass host asked him about his ’spectacular’ undercard’) he stated that Manny Pacquiao was the greatest fighter he had ever seen. This from a man who has promoted the likes of Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard.
It seemed like boxing blasphemy at the time. But after Pacquiao’s systematic and brutal dispatching of Miguel Cotto over 12 rounds this past Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, you can no longer roll your eyes or snicker when such utterances are made.
"The best fighter I have ever seen," Arum, said once again, at the post-fight press conference.
Some of you will still believe that Arum is exorbitant in his praise. But this much is clear, as that famous saying goes: the class he’s in, it doesn’t take too long to conduct roll call. I don’t know where he ranks all-time( I’m still waaaay to young to make those observations) but you can certainly make the case that he’s the best fighter of this generation. And perhaps that’s the only fair comparison to make. The bottom line is that the sport and the business of boxing has changed. Fighters simply don’t perform nearly as often as they used to. And it’s difficult to compare boxers with well over 100 fights, to those who now perform twice a year. Then there is the proliferation of weight classes and title belts, which many believe have diluted the sport.
Nobody has accomplished what Pacquiao has in the past couple of decades. Winning titles in seven weight classes, from flyweight to welterweight. And in between engaging in a heated round-robin with the ’Three Mexican Musketeers’( Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez) and then moving up in weight to physically dominate the likes of Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and now, Cotto. Against those aforementioned names- several of whom are locks to have their fists encased in Canastota, one day- his record is 8-1-1 with six stoppages to his credit and at least a dozen knockdowns.
He’s the most mesmerizing combination of speed and power the game has. As he started to let his hands go in the second round versus Cotto, he reminded you of Bruce Lee with his hard, striking, accurate combinations that bruised and battered the body and head of Cotto, who skipped the post-fight presser to get a full body scan at a local hospital. It wasn’t that Pacquiao just hit hard, he hit often. To a point where Cotto was getting deluged by a torrent of leather that he was unable to fend off. After Pacquiao’s second knockdown in the fourth round( after scoring one in a back-and-forth third frame), Cotto was visibly stunned and from that juncture unable to hold off this Filipino storm. Just as typhoons had ravaged his country, Pacquiao would do so to Cotto, with almost the same devastating effect.
But what was perhaps the most stunning aspect of this conquest was that in the early rounds Cotto seemingly had Pacquiao where he wanted him- retreating and with his back to the ropes. And Cotto, a noted body-puncher, banged away downstairs with violent force. It’s one thing to allow sparring partners to beat on your sides as if you’re a heavy-bag, it’s an entirely different to let Cotto do it. His trainer, Freddie Roach didn’t like this tactic." I yelled at him every time.’Why are you fighting his fight?’"
But Pacquiao, perhaps on his own instinct, was doing his own version of the rope-a-dope. "I heard that he’s a stronger man than me. I wanted to test his power," he explained. Psychologically, he showed he could absorb whatever the supposedly bigger man could dish out without flinching. As he was hit to the body, he did his best to mask any pain. He stated that he was fighting this battle,"In my mind." But make no doubt about it, this was as physical a fight as Pacquiao has ever been involved in. There was a price to pay for this strategy. His right ear was bandaged up afterwords and there was noticeable swelling and bruising all over his face. We knew a lot about Pacquiao before, on this night we found out he also has a world-class set of whiskers. He’s tough as he is talented.
From a tactical standpoint, Pacquiao began to find counter-punching opportunities on Cotto, who Roach believed gave away his punches, specifically his left-hook, as he shifted most of his weight to his front foot. Also, with his elbows so flared out, he gives up what they call in hockey, ’the five hole’- in other words, an opening right up the middle. The ’boxing master’, as he was called by his pupil, studied Cotto’s life-and-death struggle with DeMarcus Corley, at great length. The right-hook and uppercuts would be vital to their game plan. And while the hand-speed of Pacquiao gave Cotto fits, there was also a great disparity in foot-speed. While Pacquiao could dart in and out with ease, and change directions, Cotto simply could not deal with the angles provided by Pacquiao.
As the on-slaught continued, the fight had a familiar quality to it for Cotto. As the damage mounted and he began to retreat, this looked more and more like his loss to Antonio Margarito last summer. The body language said it all from ringside. This was no longer about winning, but surviving. It was a bit stunning to see the supposedly bigger man, in a full-blown back pedal, circling the canvas. When Cotto gets up on his toes, it’s not so much boxing, but an attempt to run out the clock.
The fight was mercifully waved off by referee Kenny Bayless in the 12Th and final round as Pacquiao delivered another hard left that had Cotto buckling on the ropes. A very good, proud fighter, was simply beaten down by an all-time great. Cotto, should be lauded for his courage, and unfortunately, his corner, led by a novice- Joe Santiago- should be chastised for being much too courageous on behalf of their boxer. Because by the late rounds, what was once a great fight in the early rounds had become a landslide.
To see the technical improvements in the last year or so from Pacquiao is startling. There was a time when he was viewed as crowd-pleasing, yet flawed fighter. He was an offensive force with his left-hand but considered predictable and one-dimensional. Now he is a two-fisted wrecking machine with greatly improved defense and balance. And under the tutelage of Roach, his boxing IQ has risen exponentially. There have been some legendary duo’s in this sport, from Chappie Blackburn and Joe Louis, to Angelo Dundee and Muhammad Ali, it’s not a stretch to include this dynamic duo. These two are like Johnny Sakko and his Giant Robot. Whatever Roach tells him to do, the marching orders are executed to frightening efficiency with a wide variety of weapons at his disposal. The only difference is that Roach whispers into Pacquiao’s ears during the fight and not a wristwatch.
Who knows where Pacquiao goes next. You get the sense that despite the chants that were heard from the rafters of the Grand Garden Arena( WE WANT FLOYD!!! WE WANT FLOYD!!!) that a hook-up with Mayweather wont come to fruition immediately. But where he certainly isn’t going is up any more weight classes. He stated unequivocally,"This is my last weight division." Which is too bad, this is the one guy capable of getting either Klitschko into an entertaining fight.( OK, OK, admittedly, THAT is hyperbole.)
The man who had enough hubris to schedule a post-fight concert at the Mandalay Bay, still considers himself, ’ordinary’ as a fighter. Which prompted his trainer to correct him." Manny, you’re not an ordinary fighter," said Roach.He later added," He’s the greatest of this era, that’s for sure."
I wont argue with that statement.
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What happen to my posts? were they delete? if so why?
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Looks like part of 923 and all of page 924 were wiped out. I have been having problems but I thought it was just me. Not sure what's going on.
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