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Grilling Machine wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 15:27 I think Joyce-Ibeabuchi would've had us all reaching for imaginary towels. One of those rare fights I wouldn't have enjoyed witnessing.

But no doubt the '90s batch of heavies were better. Haye was a contender in his era, but who'd have backed him against Holyfield?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:18

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:16 This heavyweight era is piss poor, hardly a controversial statement. It’s been utter crap since Lewis retired. The fact that someone so limited as Wilder as being heralded as one of the best of modern times says it all.

Wilder will go down as better than Berbick, Seldon, Smith, Spinks* and Bruno. *Spinks as a heavyweight.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 14:23

tonyevs wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 12:47

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 11:44

That would be quite silly Tony if it was possible. Tommy Morrison sparked in round 1 by Michael Bentt and Golota when he was getting knocked out in a single round against ranked opposition always found a way to lose. Those 2 have the absolute worst styles of the 90s to go up against Wilder. Golota would have a meltdown in the dressing room and Tommy would be throwing leeping left hooks with his chin high in the air You picking Herbie Hide over Wilder too mate?

Iron chinned guys like Bowe and Holyfield pressuring him on the front foot inside where he can't get the right off, sure that's worth a bet. But china chinned heartless types against the fastest, longest and perhaps biggest right hand in HW history. Come off it.

Bentt stopping Morrison is just one of those Rahman stopping Lewis flukes .. Bentt never before or after showed anything that would suggest he`d beat any of the best names on Morrisons resume.

Wilder is crude - big punching, but very crude. Added to the fact he loses his bottle and enthusiasm fairly quickly as showed in Fury 1 &2 when he was looking very sorry for himself and for the exit after a handful of rounds. To suggest a fast heavy handed Herbie Hide would have been able to get to him is entirely possible ... Wilder is also a small heavyweight by todays standards too.

The Golota would have been good enough, and confident enough, for the even cruder and far more limited Wilder.

No Bentt stopping Morrison wasn't a fluke because loads of lower tier HWs bounced Morrison around the ring. Bentt didn't show anything after because he went into a coma in his very next fight FYI. But Mercer beat Morrison like a red haired step child and Ross Purrity bounced him

As for Wilder being crude, so what, he's far better than the incredibly crude Micheal Grant who Golotta quit against. No way in a million years is Golota beating Wilder if he can't beat Grant

And if you think the Herbie Hide is beating Wilder when he got knocked out by the wind from a Vitali punch and by cruserweight journeymen I really don't know what to say. He was certfied heartless china.

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 15:46

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:18

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:16 This heavyweight era is piss poor, hardly a controversial statement. It’s been utter crap since Lewis retired. The fact that someone so limited as Wilder as being heralded as one of the best of modern times says it all.

Wilder will go down as better than Berbick, Seldon, Smith, Spinks* and Bruno. *Spinks as a heavyweight.

Complete nonsense.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 14:23

tonyevs wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 12:47

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 11:44

That would be quite silly Tony if it was possible. Tommy Morrison sparked in round 1 by Michael Bentt and Golota when he was getting knocked out in a single round against ranked opposition always found a way to lose. Those 2 have the absolute worst styles of the 90s to go up against Wilder. Golota would have a meltdown in the dressing room and Tommy would be throwing leeping left hooks with his chin high in the air You picking Herbie Hide over Wilder too mate?

Iron chinned guys like Bowe and Holyfield pressuring him on the front foot inside where he can't get the right off, sure that's worth a bet. But china chinned heartless types against the fastest, longest and perhaps biggest right hand in HW history. Come off it.

Bentt stopping Morrison is just one of those Rahman stopping Lewis flukes .. Bentt never before or after showed anything that would suggest he`d beat any of the best names on Morrisons resume.

Wilder is crude - big punching, but very crude. Added to the fact he loses his bottle and enthusiasm fairly quickly as showed in Fury 1 &2 when he was looking very sorry for himself and for the exit after a handful of rounds. To suggest a fast heavy handed Herbie Hide would have been able to get to him is entirely possible ... Wilder is also a small heavyweight by todays standards too.

The Golota would have been good enough, and confident enough, for the even cruder and far more limited Wilder.

No Bentt stopping Morrison wasn't a fluke because loads of lower tier HWs bounced Morrison around the ring. Bentt didn't show anything after because he went into a coma in his very next fight FYI. But Mercer beat Morrison like a red haired step child and Ross Purrity bounced him

As for Wilder being crude, so what, he's far better than the incredibly crude Micheal Grant who Golotta quit against. No way in a million years is Golota beating Wilder if he can't beat Grant

And if you think the Herbie Hide is beating Wilder when he got knocked out by the wind from a Vitali punch and by cruserweight journeymen I really don't know what to say. He was certfied heartless china.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 15:53

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 15:46

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 09:18
Wilder will go down as better than Berbick, Seldon, Smith, Spinks* and Bruno. *Spinks as a heavyweight.

Complete nonsense.

Why?

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 15:58 Ibeabuchi was pretty damn fast with his punches too.

Kind of like Joseph Parker but, well… a lot better in every department.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:38 A motivated, in shape Witherspoon would chin Wilder and Fury with a well-timed overhand right.

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:44

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:38 A motivated, in shape Witherspoon would chin Wilder and Fury with a well-timed overhand right.

Agreed. Wilder might last 3 rounds . Fury would get out lasted

A lot of wasted years for Tim due to some unscrupulous management

Only one bad performance on Tim’s record really. V Bonecrusher (who’s not quite a John McDermott)

One of my favourite fighters back in the day was Tim

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:41 who are the top 3 guys wilder's beat?

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:50

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:44

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:38 A motivated, in shape Witherspoon would chin Wilder and Fury with a well-timed overhand right.

Agreed. Wilder might last 3 rounds . Fury would get out lasted

A lot of wasted years for Tim due to some unscrupulous management

Only one bad performance on Tim’s record really. V Bonecrusher (who’s not quite a John McDermott)

One of my favourite fighters back in the day was Tim

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:04

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:50

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:44

Agreed. Wilder might last 3 rounds . Fury would get out lasted

A lot of wasted years for Tim due to some unscrupulous management

Only one bad performance on Tim’s record really. V Bonecrusher (who’s not quite a John McDermott)

One of my favourite fighters back in the day was Tim

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:04

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:50

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:44

Agreed. Wilder might last 3 rounds . Fury would get out lasted

A lot of wasted years for Tim due to some unscrupulous management

Only one bad performance on Tim’s record really. V Bonecrusher (who’s not quite a John McDermott)

One of my favourite fighters back in the day was Tim

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:17

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:04

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:50

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Ali's was a straight right hand, Witherspoon used to drop his front shoulder and head and bring it over in an arcing motion(similar to the punch Cunningham threw that knocked down Fury, but much harder).

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:13

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:04

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 16:50

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Not biased I thought Terrible Tim edged it. He was passed his prime but won the fight in my view
The first few rounds were not scored properly imo.
I wasn’t angry the judges favoured Mercer. It was one of those.

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:28

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:13

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:04

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Not biased I thought Terrible Tim edged it. He was passed his prime but won the fight in my view
The first few rounds were not scored properly imo.
I wasn’t angry the judges favoured Mercer. It was one of those.

I can’t remember scoring it back in 96 but I was disappointed that Tim didn’t get the nod, I certainly didn’t want to see his comeback derailed so quickly.

A rare buckle from Mercer in round 5, from one of many cracking right hands landed.

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:28

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:13

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:04

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Not biased I thought Terrible Tim edged it. He was passed his prime but won the fight in my view
The first few rounds were not scored properly imo.
I wasn’t angry the judges favoured Mercer. It was one of those.

I can’t remember scoring it back in 96 but I was disappointed that Tim didn’t get the nod, I certainly didn’t want to see his comeback derailed so quickly.

A rare buckle from Mercer in round 5, from one of many cracking right hands landed.

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:35

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:28

si7dog7 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:13

Not biased I thought Terrible Tim edged it. He was passed his prime but won the fight in my view
The first few rounds were not scored properly imo.
I wasn’t angry the judges favoured Mercer. It was one of those.

I can’t remember scoring it back in 96 but I was disappointed that Tim didn’t get the nod, I certainly didn’t want to see his comeback derailed so quickly.

A rare buckle from Mercer in round 5, from one of many cracking right hands landed.

If you look at R9 Tim v Holmes (which I you would’ve Kilburn)
There was a real chance there. A proper round of boxing with a hint of empathy. Maybe a “rookie” error from Tim at that time.

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:24

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:17

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:04

Witherspoon’s right hand was almost Ali-like at times, such a fast, loose punch.

The war with Mercer was a belter.

Ali's was a straight right hand, Witherspoon used to drop his front shoulder and head and bring it over in an arcing motion(similar to the punch Cunningham threw that knocked down Fury, but much harder).

Yes Witherspoon was famous for the trajectory of his right hand, but there was a similarity with Ali at times, the way it was so loose like lobbing a baseball.

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:55

Kilburn wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:24

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023, 17:17

Ali's was a straight right hand, Witherspoon used to drop his front shoulder and head and bring it over in an arcing motion(similar to the punch Cunningham threw that knocked down Fury, but much harder).

Yes Witherspoon was famous for the trajectory of his right hand, but there was a similarity with Ali at times, the way it was so loose like lobbing a baseball.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the similarity of their right hands. But at least we agree on Witherspoon chinning both Wilder and Fury.