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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 19:26
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Spent two day at the "Hall"

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1951: Looking north. The building in the foreground is the Hall of Justice. Chinatown is at right.

Frank . . . I have a friend who was a Deputy Sheriff in L.A. He was a rookie in 1973, and back then your first year in the department was spent working County Jail, which was the Hall of Justice Jail. I remember he'd work the graveyeard shift, and he had some stories.
Today, the building remains but was condemned years ago. With Men's Central, Twin Towers, Sybil Brand (now reopened) overloaded with inmates, the duputies have to spend the first five years of their career working the jail detail.

They hate it. :witzend: (But to be honest, I'm glad they are unhappy :lol:)

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 19:28
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Los Angeles in the glory days of boxing...1951

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1951: Looking toward Hollywood. The four-level interchange, with the new Hollywood Freeway leading away from it, can be seen. The large building in the background at left center is Queen of Angels Hospital. The Hollywood sign is on the hill at center background.
L.A. ...

Frank . . . I love these photos, and I remember L.A. like that when I was a very small kid. I remember that Angelino Heights area near the 4-level interchange. How it was once wealthy at the turn of the century. It was on it's way out when this photo was taken. It fell into a darkness in the last half of century. That area across the 110 Fwy. from Angel's Flight. Where homes had been torn down, foundations remained, gangs came in, a homeless community took over those vacant blocks. Drugs and drug dealing within the homeless enclave. However, the new century changed things. The area has been redeveloped, a new high school in the neighborhood. Prime real estate wasted for years. Downtown was usually deserted at night and on weekends, nobody but transients resided downtown, in flop house hotels, on the streets. When the sun went down on Skid Row, things came to life. The night always yielded a dead body or two, often times more. OD's, knives and firearms the norm. We saw it for years as we worked daily in places like the Main Street Gym, etc. However, as yuppies moved in and began to revitalize the old office buildings, transforming them into high end lofts, the area east of Alameda is now an Arts community. People live downtown, there is a night life again for the first time in decades. I stand in front of what was once the Main Street Gym and don't recognize what I see across the street, or down the street, in either direction. "There's the Rosslyn", an early 20th Century Hotel/Landmark that was a roach infested flop house when I began coming to the area in the mid-60's. Today the Rosslyn is still a dump, as are most the hotels. The Alexandria is a regular film industry shooting location, so I have set lights or laid cable thruout nearly every inch of the structure during the past 30 years. It's a rat hole today. In the 60's when I trained and fought in the Alexandria, it was in pretty bad shape. They refurbished it in 1970-71, which forced Parnassus to move his office to the Elks Club. It is today a residence hotel, pretty nasty in some of those rooms.
Thanks for the photos, FRank.


-Rick Farris
2009

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2009: The view now includes the Department of Water and Power building, at left, the Music Center, county government buildings and the criminal courts building, at right.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 19:31
by kikibalt
georgem wrote:Just awesome pictures Kiki........thank you so much! Great memories.......
Hi George... :bag:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 19:36
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Spent two day at the "Hall"

Frank . . . I have a friend who was a Deputy Sheriff in L.A. He was a rookie in 1973, and back then your first year in the department was spent working County Jail, which was the Hall of Justice Jail. I remember he'd work the graveyeard shift, and he had some stories.
Today, the building remains but was condemned years ago. With Men's Central, Twin Towers, Sybil Brand (now reopened) overloaded with inmates, the duputies have to spend the first five years of their career working the jail detail.

They hate it. :witzend: (But to be honest, I'm glad they are unhappy :lol:)
Rick...My brother Mando is a retire LACSD and now his son Chris is one, and you guess it, Chris is working Men's Central.... :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 19:38
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote: He has a great-great nephew in New Zealand who follows Fitz' career and has an extensive collection of Fitz memorabilia. His name is David Jack. You could send the induction letter to him. I have met him and correspond with him occasionally. If you want to induct Fitz, I'll supply you with David's personal mailing address. If you do it this year, I might come out and accept it for Fitz on David's behalf if David can't come in from New Zealand.

Fitz would be a worthy addition to the CBHOF since he began his American career in California after arriving from California. Fitz also won the world light-heavyweight title in San Francisco against George Gardiner in 1903.
Its really to late for Fitz for this year, we're pretty much settle on our inductees for 2010.

Btw Tom, what's the deal with O'Grady, did you talk to him?
I emailed him but he hasn't e-mailed me back yet. I'll call him next week.
:TU: :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 22:04
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Spent two day at the "Hall"

Frank . . . I have a friend who was a Deputy Sheriff in L.A. He was a rookie in 1973, and back then your first year in the department was spent working County Jail, which was the Hall of Justice Jail. I remember he'd work the graveyeard shift, and he had some stories.
Today, the building remains but was condemned years ago. With Men's Central, Twin Towers, Sybil Brand (now reopened) overloaded with inmates, the duputies have to spend the first five years of their career working the jail detail.

They hate it. :witzend: (But to be honest, I'm glad they are unhappy :lol:)
Rick...My brother Mando is a retire LACSD and now his son Chris is one, and you guess it, Chris is working Men's Central.... :OhYes:

:DDD

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 22:13
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Rick...My brother Mando is a retire LACSD and now his son Chris is one, and you guess it, Chris is working Men's Central.... :OhYes:

:DDD
Rick...Don't think that Chris is too happy working there, he has about 3 more years to work there before he can go out on the streets.... :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 22:23
by kikibalt
kikibalt wrote:Los Angeles in the glory days of boxing...1951

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1951: Looking west. The structure with the spire is the Richfield Building, and just to the right of it is steelwork for the new Statler Hotel, now the Wilshire Grand.

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1951: Looking toward Hollywood. The four-level interchange, with the new Hollywood Freeway leading away from it, can be seen. The large building in the background at left center is Queen of Angels Hospital. The Hollywood sign is on the hill at center background.
This is the way L.A. was in the days when I would go see Art Aragon, Enrique Bolanos, Keeny Teran, Gil Cadilli, Carlos Chavez, Ramon Fuentes and some many others fight at the Olympic, Holllywood Legion and other venues.... :TU:

1951 was a big year for L.A. boxing and I was lucky to be there to see it.... :bag:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 22:57
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote: Rick...My brother Mando is a retire LACSD and now his son Chris is one, and you guess it, Chris is working Men's Central.... :OhYes:

:DDD
Rick...Don't think that Chris is too happy working there, he has about 3 more years to work there before he can go out on the streets.... :lol:
I posted something earlier. Deleted it. That's a tough thing about the Sheriff's Dept. in L.A. A little dose of it is good in the beginning, a year one tolerates, but five? They lose a lot becasue of that. Five years of the worst examples of humanity, on both sides, believe me. Hope he makes it.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 23:24
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Los Angeles in the glory days of boxing...1951

Image

1951: Looking west. The structure with the spire is the Richfield Building, and just to the right of it is steelwork for the new Statler Hotel, now the Wilshire Grand.

Image

1951: Looking toward Hollywood. The four-level interchange, with the new Hollywood Freeway leading away from it, can be seen. The large building in the background at left center is Queen of Angels Hospital. The Hollywood sign is on the hill at center background.
This is the way L.A. was in the days when I would go see Art Aragon, Enrique Bolanos, Keeny Teran, Gil Cadilli, Carlos Chavez, Ramon Fuentes and some many others fight at the Olympic, Holllywood Legion and other venues.... :TU:

1951 was a big year for L.A. boxing and I was lucky to be there to see it.... :bag:

Frank . . . You know that I wish I could have lived some of your memories from that time.
I was born in Jan. 1952, so what I see here looks pretty much as some of my earliest memories.
I remember the Richfield Building. Street cars, the Red Car, my dad working at the BofA headquarters at 7th & Spring Streets. The mural on the wall of the Olympic. I was maybe 4 or 5, would see that mural of a boxer on the wall of the Olympic, as we passed by on the new 10 FWY at Grand Ave. That mural fascinated me, I knew what boxers did, TV.
I wanted to see what went on inside, live boxing. Eventually, I got what I wanted, and then some.


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 23:51
by Rick Farris
Richfield Building . . .

Frank, that building was home to what would become ARCO, Atlantic Richfield Co.
Bank of America and ARCO built the ARCO Towers at 5th & Hope, which opened in 1971.
The offices of the Richfield Bldg. would vacate to occupy the Arco half of the Towers.
BofA vacated their 7th & Spring Bldg. leaving just an operating branch on the ground floor.
My father was part of that move and occupied a top floor office.
I'll never forget seeing that steeple atop the Richfield Bldg. as a kid.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 00:40
by dagosd2000
Got in this morning. Haven't spoken English in two weeks. I caught up on what I missed. I hope you guys had a good holiday .Want to welcome the new posters.(Hi Tony). Where I was there wasn't any internet,not that I missed it much. Will put up some pics and some stories tomorrow.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 11:37
by dagosd2000
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A LOOK OVER MY SHOULDER

So I lied. I said I was going to to out with my brother in law and nephew to the Zona and drink and dance and fool around,and then go to the plaza de toros where Gato fought as a kid against the older guys to gain his reputation. This in Jiquilpan. I knew I wasn't going to do it. I lied.

But there was a time I would have done that. Oh,it would have been a night of bedlam.I would have told my brother in law and nephew of my friend Gato Gonzalez and what a magnificant champion he was. We all would have yelled "Chigatelo El Gato."sitting in the bleachers by ourselves in the dark. No,I went to the plaza with my wife and her sister after spending a morning in the the little pueblo of Tototlan near by. We went to mass. Lit some candles. Then we went to the plaza and ate breakfast. My wife bought garbanzos from the old Indian lady. It was after that that I stopped at the plaza de toros.

The bullring hadn't changed any. Like most of that town. Nothing has changed much except the young people. As usual there is a family that lives at the bullring for free. They keep up the place in return. Always there are a pack of barking dogs with them. I went inside. It was quiet. There was to be a bullfight on the weekend,but that morning there was silence inside the sand pit.

I took some pictures and walked back to the car where my wife and her sister were waiting. The barking dogs escorted me out. As I walked back to the car I looked over my shoulder at the bullring and said,"Chingatelo El Gato." That was enough for me.It was better that way.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 11:49
by dagosd2000
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Eating breakfast in Tototlan. My wife eating champurrados. My sister eating pozole. I had a ham torta. Below,is the old Indian lady who's been friends with my wife for years. She sells garbanzos in the same spot everyday but Sunday. She wants me to send her this photo. I'll have to bring it to her when I go back.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 11:52
by kikibalt
dagosd2000 wrote:Got in this morning. Haven't spoken English in two weeks. I caught up on what I missed. I hope you guys had a good holiday .Want to welcome the new posters.(Hi Tony). Where I was there wasn't any internet,not that I missed it much. Will put up some pics and some stories tomorrow.
Glad to have you back Roger.... :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 12:29
by THEHAMMER321
Hi good morning classic American west coast Boxing posters and guests and thanks again to Kiki and Rick for all the info,now to Rick my late Father was friends with many New Orleans fighters in particular Ralph Dupas and Bernard Ducosen,and he told me he thought that Bernard was a great talent but his training habits were not the best otherwise he could have gone a lot further, nonetheless I am glad to see you have nominated him good work

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 12:43
by kikibalt
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Enrique Bolanos getting robbed against Maxie Docusen

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 12:48
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Hi good morning classic American west coast Boxing posters and guests and thanks again to Kiki and Rick for all the info,now to Rick my late Father was friends with many New Orleans fighters in particular Ralph Dupas and Bernard Ducosen,and he told me he thought that Bernard was a great talent but his training habits were not the best otherwise he could have gone a lot further, nonetheless I am glad to see you have nominated him good work
Good morning Hammer :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 12:52
by THEHAMMER321
My Father did mention Maxie but he was most impressed by Bernard, BTW Kiki was the burglary in NEW Orleans and how did you get all those old pictures,you must have some collection

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 13:12
by THEHAMMER321
Kiki I have always heard what a fighter Bolanos was but I never looked into him before just now,but I see where he lost split decisions to Chalky Wright and Ike Williams,did you see those fights and did he get burglarized against those two also

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 13:14
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:My Father did mention Maxie but he was most impressed by Bernard, BTW Kiki was the burglary in NEW Orleans and how did you get all those old pictures,you must have some collection
No, it happened in L.A.

I can't tell you when I get my pics., if I did I would haveto kill you.... :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 13:23
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Kiki I have always heard what a fighter Bolanos was but I never looked into him before just now,but I see where he lost split decisions to Chalky Wright and Ike Williams,did you see those fights and did he get burglarized against those two also
I didn't see the Wright fight, I did as a very young kid see the 3 Williams fights, only the second Williams fight was close, Bolanos losing by SD, he got stopped in the other two fights.
Bolanos was a very good fighter, if he had been fighting in the 1990's he would have been a bigger star then Oscar DLH..... :box:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 13:47
by kikibalt
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Enrique Bolanos, Paulino Montes and Chalky Wright

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 15:24
by Rick Farris
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Hi good morning classic American west coast Boxing posters and guests and thanks again to Kiki and Rick for all the info,now to Rick my late Father was friends with many New Orleans fighters in particular Ralph Dupas and Bernard Ducosen,and he told me he thought that Bernard was a great talent but his training habits were not the best otherwise he could have gone a lot further, nonetheless I am glad to see you have nominated him good work
Docusen . . .

I'm not familiar with Bernard Docusen's training habits, but by the age of fifteen he was fighting pro and winning.
By age 21, he gave the great Sugar Ray Robinson a tough challenge for the middleweight title and by his mid-20's he was retired, having lost only 10 of 91 fights.

It isn't 100% official quite yet, but it's pretty certain Bernard will be inducted into the WBHOF this year. If he is inducted, we are pretty sure quite a few members of his family well make the trip out to attend the ceremony. By the way, this will be the first year that our banquet will be held in Las Vegas, at the Orleans.

Hammer, that won't take place until October, but I would like you to be a guest at our table. We the posters of this thread get together each year at the banquet, and we have a real special group of guys. I'm not certain how many will make it to Las Vegas, but it would be a great chance for us to meet. We know everybody there and usually have a great time. If your father is still living and able to attend with you, he is welcome, as well.

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 03 Jan 2010, 15:38
by dagosd2000
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UNDER THE SHADE TREE

We went to Paredonnes which is on the other side of the mountain.It takes about an hour by car to get there. Twice daily a bus goes up to Paredonnes and then down again.

My wife was born there. She lived on a small ranch with her brothers and sisters and of course her mother. She never saw her father. He was killed by bandits.He was the paymaster for a mining company. One day when he was delivering the payroll riding his horse he was robbed and killed.

My wife was like a surrogate mother to her younger brothers and sisters. She cleaned garbanzo beans in Sahuayo about ten miles away for one dollar a kilo. In those days there were no roads.She rode her horse,Colorado,into town.

Last week my wife wanted to visit her Godmother,Josefa. The woman was the sister to my wife's father. We asked at my wife's cousins ranch about how the old woman was doing.
"Oh,she's doing fine,"said her cousin."She goes to Communion every Sunday."

We asked directions to her house. A gentleman wearing a tejana was walking along the rode where we thought she still lived.We stopped the car to ask him where Josefa lived.He broke out with a big smile.
"Oh si,she lives around the turn in the road."

The house around the turn was receded far back. There was a narrow dirt road to the entrance. It was very quiet and sunny. You could hear the birds chirping. Someone in front was playing ranchera music,but not too loudly. We walked to towards the door. There was a large avocado tree next to the porch. Out of the corner of my eye I saw some movement. I was startled.It was like an animal had moved,but it was the figure of an old woman. She was wearing an apron and shawl. It was Josefa.

The old woman was not afraid. She smiled at us. It was apparent she she had lost her teeth a long time ago.
"Me conoces?" asked my wife.
The old woman shook her head "no" still smiling.
"Soy Maria Luisa Madrigal. The daughter of your brother Luis. You are my Godmother."
Josefa was still smiling. She didn't remember my wife too much. It had been almost 50 years.

Josefa invited us into her house. She lived alone. The man playing the music in front was her grandson. He never came out of his house. As Josefa got up from under the shade tree we went to steady her. She arose and began walking to her door. I didn't see a cane.We moved away from her.

I asked her when she was born.
"En cero uno,"she replied.
I asked my wife to ask her again.
"Si, mil novecientos uno,"she said again.
"My God,"I gasped at my wife."She's a hundred and nine years old."
"Oh si,"laughed my wife."My father was 70 when he marry my mother."(her mother was only 18).
"She could be the oldest person in the world,"I said.

The old woman asked us if we were hungry. She told us she ate tortillas with salt and frijoles every day. She told us she never drank alcohol. I asked her what was her secret for longevity. She said she didn't know. I asked her if she remembered the revolution. She said that she ran to the forest to escape from the revolutionarios. She said she was only a girl. A "chiquita." She said one of them would have grabbed her and taken her off to marry him.

Josefa rocked a little when she talked. She said she didn't take any medicines and had no pains.
"Only hunger pains,"she said in Spanish laughing.

My wife and I said goodby. My wife gave her 100 pesos.(about ten dollars).Looking back as I walked to the car I saw Josefa putting the money in a tiny purse that she had removed from under her apron. She looked at the note very closely. She closed the purse and put it under her apron again. Josefa then walked back under the shade of the avocado tree.

I started the car. I felt numb. She must have done something right I thought. I wiped the tears from my eyes.