F##k he looks terriblebennie wrote:Muhammad Ali is 68 on Sunday. Here he is dismantling Jean-Pierre Coopman of Belgium in five rounds in February 1976 - just four months after the third Frazier killer. Is it really any surprise that Ali lost his health?
Yeah, Dan, he is the new trainer, don't think it is gonig to make a difference in Kessler..scartissue wrote:Thanks Frank I saw it on utube already but a fight loses something when you know the result already,would have liked to have seen the fight
when it happened btw Frank was just reading page 25 got to see Jimmy Montoya with kid meza as you and I had talked about Jimmy a couple of weeks ago I loved Jimmy in the corner man was he emotional he could really light a fire under a fighter when he wasnt being busy enough .
Did I hear recently that Jimmy Montoya was taking over as trainer for Mikkel Kessler?
Scartissue
Not on this thread he hasn't...THEHAMMER321 wrote:I read somewhere on here that Jaime Garza posted on here before anyone know where i can find his posts
Not unless he can get him to follow a plan "B". Man, talk about a poor corner or a one-dimensioanl fighter. Getting beat and sending him out for the next round with the same battle plan.kikibalt wrote:Yeah, Dan, he is the new trainer, don't think it is gonig to make a difference in Kessler..scartissue wrote:Thanks Frank I saw it on utube already but a fight loses something when you know the result already,would have liked to have seen the fight
when it happened btw Frank was just reading page 25 got to see Jimmy Montoya with kid meza as you and I had talked about Jimmy a couple of weeks ago I loved Jimmy in the corner man was he emotional he could really light a fire under a fighter when he wasnt being busy enough .
Did I hear recently that Jimmy Montoya was taking over as trainer for Mikkel Kessler?
Scartissue
Not on this thread he hasn't...[/quote Frank on page 25 where you posted kid meza and jimmy montoya poster expug replied that Garzakikibalt wrote:THEHAMMER321 wrote:I read somewhere on here that Jaime Garza posted on here before anyone know where i can find his posts
No surprise, Bennie. But Coopman had little to offer beyond a workout and a paycheck.bennie wrote:Muhammad Ali is 68 on Sunday. Here he is dismantling Jean-Pierre Coopman of Belgium in five rounds in February 1976 - just four months after the third Frazier killer. Is it really any surprise that Ali lost his health?
Frank, I can't hear this song without thinking about my father. My father used to love to sing this song, even after he lost his singing voice. He didn't care he just loved singing it. He would give us that look as if he was really suave and debonair, while he was singing. I haven't heard it in a while. Thanks for posting it. You and Rog are always right on target with your songs.
Bennie, I give Ruiz, the proverbial "Snowball's chance in Hell" and that's being generous.bennie wrote:Britain’s David Haye makes the first defence of his WBA heavyweight title against mandatory challenger John Ruiz of Puerto Rico in Manchester on April 3.
Haye was tied to meeting Ruiz even before he wrested the title from Russian mammoth Nikolai Valuev on a close but deserved decision in Germany in November; the winner of Haye-Valuev had to face Ruiz, which, frankly, was and is a crime. Ruiz goes by the nickname of “The Quiet Man” and truer words were never shushed - the man is instantly forgettable, the last type of opponent the talented, swashbuckling Haye needs right now, on the cusp of one or two heavyweight superfights. Even the Klitsckho brothers, Vitali and Wladimir, arguably the busiest and best heavyweights in the world today know that Ruiz prospers by making others look bad, a real spoiler. They have never fought him; they have yet to fight Haye, although they will, the braver of the two first.
For now, the Londoner lowers himself against a man beaten twice by Valuev in sleep-inducing 12-rounders. This was before Haye proved that Valuev cannot even pillow-fight when he played with the giant for 12 rounds, despite conceding 11 inches in height (Haye is 6ft 3ins) and seven stone. He also damaged his right hand in the early rounds but used his jab to pick up the points and went for it in the last, the fight already won, and staggered Valuev with a left hook.
It was only Haye’s third fight at heavyweight and the former undisputed cruiserweight champion will surely improve, improve, improve. At 29 he has youth, fluidity, speed, power and good size and weight (215 pounds) - he looks like a heavyweight. More than all that, he’s refreshingly charismatic, refreshingly candid. He recently admitted that many boxing fans will always regard him as ‘chinny’ and lacking in stamina, after a few early career wobbles and one famous blow-up, but bears no ill-feeling to the fans or to the labels. This is the beaming David Haye for you, a man who knows when to switch off the trash-talk.
Ruiz lives without a smile on his face and secured his ‘iffy’ mandatory status because he moaned long and hard after his (second) close fight with Valuev in August 2008 in Berlin, where he dropped a split decision. It was one of those “Who cares?” fights, one of those “Who cares?” decisions, but Ruiz never let up until the No. 1 ranking was his. He recently inked a promotional deal with the powerful Oscar De La Hoya, which proves one thing and one thing only: Oscar has his eyes firmly on the self-promoted Haye. Our David is the heavyweight future, not the 38-year-old Ruiz.
Ideally, Haye would have made more of a statement against the plodding, robotic Valuev but there is plenty of time for that against the plodding, robotic Klitschkos, if not the awkward Ruiz. David says he wants to clean up the heavyweight division and needs to brush Ruiz aside as efficiently as he possibly can, trying to look good in the process and trying not to raise any doubts about his stamina. Only David Tua has ever spectacularly despatched Ruiz, back in 1996, but it remains Ruiz’s only ever stoppage defeat and he has learned how to survive, to hold, to frustrate, to infuriate. He counters well but only as part of his spoiler package. If he counters well, he clutches better.
Ultimately, Ruiz is another Joe “King” Roman, the overrated Puerto Rican who secured a shot at George Foreman for the world heavyweight title in Tokyo in 1972 and was smashed in two minutes flat. In a perfect world, hard-hitting Haye can do another Foreman.
My pleasure Randy...Randyman wrote:Frank, I can't hear this song without thinking about my father. My father used to love to sing this song, even after he lost his singing voice. He didn't care he just loved singing it. He would give us that look as if he was really suave and debonair, while he was singing. I haven't heard it in a while. Thanks for posting it. You and Rog are always right on target with your songs.
Randy
Abel Fernandez revisited . . .kikibalt wrote:
Caption by Hap Navarro
This shot is at the Moose Gym, top of Angel's Flight (after the Main St, Gym burned down) and it shows me, Luis Magana, and Enrique Bolanos, Enrique was passing by when he saw the photographer setting up to shoot Luis and me, so he smile and said "Me too" and squatted down to be in the picture. The picture we are looking at on the table is Abel Fernandez.
kikibalt wrote:
Al Stankie
From our friend, Hap Navarro . . .Rick Farris wrote:Abel Fernandez revisited . . .kikibalt wrote:
Caption by Hap Navarro
This shot is at the Moose Gym, top of Angel's Flight (after the Main St, Gym burned down) and it shows me, Luis Magana, and Enrique Bolanos, Enrique was passing by when he saw the photographer setting up to shoot Luis and me, so he smile and said "Me too" and squatted down to be in the picture. The picture we are looking at on the table is Abel Fernandez.
This is true Classic American West Coast Boxing. The photo appeared once before, early in this thread nearly two years ago.
It merits re-posting, as the caption validates that Mr. Navarro, Magana and Bolanos were looking at a photo of boxer Abel Fernandez.
Recently, Frank Baltazar informed me that the CBHOF was going to induct him this year.
He also pointed out the the former heavyweight was a well known actor.
-Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Vicente Saldivar vs Raul Rojas
kikibalt wrote:Lou Thesz
4-24-16---4-24-2002
Wrestling career
Born in Banat, Michigan, Thesz moved to St. Louis when he was a young boy. His working-class immigrant parents hailed from the former Austro-Hungarian Empire. Beginning in Thesz's early youth, his father personally gave him a tough and thorough education in Greco-Roman wrestling, which provided the fundamentals for his later success. While in high school he was a successful freestyle wrestling competitor on his school team; as he recalled many years later, he and a friend once "worked" a dramatic match against each other at a tournament, and were amused when nobody could see how much they were faking. As a teenager, he also trained in amateur wrestling with legendary hooker Ad Santel. Thesz made his professional wrestling debut in 1932, at the age of 16. He soon met Ed "Strangler" Lewis, the biggest wrestling star of the 1920s, who taught a young Lou the art of "hooking" (the ability to stretch your opponent with painful holds). The two formed a lasting friendship. By 1937, Thesz had become one of the biggest stars in the St. Louis territory, and on December 29 he defeated Everett Marshall for the National Wrestling Association World Heavyweight Title, the first of many World Heavyweight Championships. Thesz became the youngest World Heavyweight Champion in history, at the age of 21, a record which stands to this day. Thesz dropped the title to Steve "Crusher" Casey in Boston six weeks later. He won the title again in 1939, once again defeating Marshall, and again in 1948, defeating Bill Longson.
In 1948, the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) was formed, the purpose being to create one World Champion for all the various wrestling territories throughout North America. Orville Brown, the reigning Midwest World Heavyweight Title holder, was named the first champion. Thesz, at the time, was head of a promotional combine that included fellow wrestling champions Longson, Bobby Managoff, Canadian promoter Frank Tunney and Eddie Quinn, who promoted in the St. Louis territory where NWA promoter Sam Muchnick was running opposition. Quinn and Muchnick ended their promotional war, and Thesz' promotion was absorbed into the NWA. Part of the deal was a title unification match between Brown and Thesz, who held the National Wrestling Association's World Title. Unfortunately, just weeks before the scheduled bout, Brown was involved in an automobile accident that ended his career. He was forced to vacate the championship and the NWA awarded the title to the #1 contender, Thesz. Thesz was chosen for his skill as a "hooker" to prevent double crosses by would-be shooters who would deviate from the planned finish for personal glory.Another "hooker" that was named by Thesz was Jerry Stephens, (also known as "Nazi," or "El Grande Pistolero" (Spanish for "the great gunman").
Between 1949 and 1956, Thesz set out to unify all the existing World Titles into the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. In 1952 he defeated Baron Michele Leone in Los Angeles for the California World Heavyweight title and became the first undisputed World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion since the days of Frank Gotch and Georg Hackenschmidt. Thesz finally dropped the Title to Whipper Billy Watson in 1956, and took several months off to recuperate from an ankle injury. He regained the title from Watson seven months later.
1957 was an important year for Thesz; on June 14, the first taint to Thesz' claim of undisputed Champion occurred in a match with gymnast-turned-wrestling star, Edouard Carpentier. The match was tied at two falls apiece when Thesz claimed a back injury and forfeit the last fall. Carpentier was declared the winner, but the NWA chose not to recognize the title change, deciding a championship could not change hands due to injury. Despite the NWA's decision, there were some promotions who continued to recognize Carpentier's claim to the World Heavyweight title. That same year, Thesz became the first wrestler to defend the NWA World Heavyweight Championship in Japan, wrestling Rikidōzan in a series of 60 minute draws. Their bouts popularized pro wrestling in Japan, gaining the sport mainstream acceptance. Realizing he could make more money in the land of the rising sun, Thesz petitioned to the NWA promoters to regularly defend the belt in Japan. His request was turned down, and Thesz asked to drop the title to his own hand picked champion, Dick Hutton, rather than Thesz's real-life rival and the more popular choice, Buddy Rogers. Thesz would embark on a tour of Europe and Japan, billing himself as the NWA International Champion; this title is still recognized as a part of All Japan Pro Wrestling's Triple Crown Championship.
In 1963, Thesz came out of semi-retirement to win his sixth World Heavyweight Championship from Buddy Rogers, at the age of 46. Legend has it that Rogers was having second thoughts about dropping the title, and Thesz responded by saying, "we could do this the easy way or the hard way" . He would hold the title until 1966 when, at the age of 49, he was dethroned by Gene Kiniski.
Thesz wrestled on a part-time basis over the next 13 years, winning his last major Title in 1978, in Mexico, becoming the inaugural Universal Wrestling Alliance Heavyweight Champion at the age of 62, before dropping the championship to El Canek a year later. Thesz officially retired in 1979, after a match with Luke Graham. He remained retired for the most part, before wrestling his last match on December 26, 1990 in Hamamatsu, Japan at the age of 74, against his protegé, Masahiro Chono.
