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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 21 Jan 2010, 23:51
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:Bobby Why & Tommy Umeda

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Tommy Umeda had a trilogy with Keeny Teran, winning one of three. All three of the fights were at the Olympic. Did you see any of these fights Frank?

Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 00:12
by kikibalt
Randyman wrote: Tommy Umeda had a trilogy with Keeny Teran, winning one of three. All three of the fights were at the Olympic. Did you see any of these fights Frank?

Randy
Seen all three fights live Randy, couldn't belive when Keeny got stoped in the second fight, didn't know about the drugs then.... :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 00:14
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:

Frank . . . It reads that Bobby Why's 1952 fight with Davey Gallardo was one of the bloodiest in the history of the Olympic Auditorium.
Great history!


-Rick Farris
Thats one fight I missed Rick.... :witzend:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 00:39
by Rick Farris
Rubin "Hurricane" Carter vs. Emile Griffith . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgDxA78C ... re=related

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 01:59
by THEHAMMER321
Rick Farris wrote:Rubin "Hurricane" Carter vs. Emile Griffith . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgDxA78C ... re=related
Just got through watching the fight Hurricane Carter looked much bigger than Griffith,looked to me he got caught with a punch he didn't see coming though

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 04:58
by bennie
Rick Farris wrote:don't mean to gazump Rick but Bruce Finch and Caldwell are familiar names to me. Caldwell had muscles coming out of his ears and fought Coetzee (off the top of my head) while Finch gave it a go in a no-win fight with Leonard. I think they brought over Caldwell to spar Frank Bruno.
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Bennie . . . I'm glad you answered. I had no info on these guys.
Finch took on Leonard just after Leonard had beaten Hearns in the first classic. He was doing well but then got tagged off the ropes and Leonard's speed did the rest. Leonard was diagnosed with his eye problem soon after.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 05:00
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:You guys remember Dick Mastro's early '80s monthly publication?

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Well, I suppose Smith put on some good shows and paid the fighters well - very well. :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 05:04
by bennie
Randyman wrote:Courtesy of thesweetscience.com

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The Hands of Stone at his peak--the sweet science at its most savage.


The Fifth God Of War: Roberto Duran
By Springs Toledo



“Yield to the god.”
~ Virgil, the Aeneid

The battered and bloodied world welterweight champion Barney Ross glowered at his three corner men as the thirteenth round was about to begin. “If you stop this fight,” he said, “I’ll never talk to you the rest of my life.” In the opposite corner, a surging Henry Armstrong sprang out of his corner at the bell. Trainer Ray Arcel, a cotton swap in his mouth, watched the last three rounds with Ross’s words echoing in his ears and a prayer on his lips. He prayed not that Barney would win, but that Barney would survive.

The defeated boxer was brought back to the hotel where Arcel put hot towels on his swollen face and tended to his wounds. He stayed with him for four days and four nights.

That was 1938. Arcel was already in the fight game twenty years. He was in New York City at the beginning, when a troupe of great Jewish boxers left Grupp’s gym in Harlem and walked nine blocks north to Stillman’s gym. Arcel would teach hundreds of young men how to fight, including twenty world champions. His first was Frankie Genaro in 1923. His last was fifty years later.

Arcel met Freddie Brown at Stillman’s. Brown grew up on Forsythe Street in the Lower East side not three miles from Benny Leonard’s house. He began training in the 1920s and had what A.J. Liebling described as the unmistakable appearance of old fighters: “small men with mashed noses and quick eyes” and a chewed-up stogie stuck on his lip that contrasted nicely with the clean cotton swap of Arcel.

MANGOS
Twenty-year-old Roberto Duran’s American debut was at Madison Square Garden. Thirteen thousand, two hundred and eleven ticket-buyers watched him lay out Benny Huertas like a door mat in sixty-six seconds. Dave Anderson covered the fight for the New York Times. “Remember the name –,” he advised.

A startled Ray Arcel saw that stone fist land on Huertas’ temple from an aisle seat. As the Panamanian left the ring on his way to the dressing room he startled the old man again with a polite greeting for him and his wife. A month later Duran would be introduced to Freddie Brown and the triumvirate would be complete.

“When I came into his camp in 1972, he was just a slugger until I taught him finesse,” Brown remembered. A slugger? Duran was worse than that. He was a savage. Duran was a Roman wolf-child placed in a civilizing school where the arts of war were taught by ancient masters. Like Agrippina summoned Seneca to tutor a young Nero, Duran’s manager summoned Arcel. Arcel brought in Freddie Brown. It took not one, but two eminent trainers to tame Duran, and Brown bore the brunt of it –camping outside of his door to chase away the girls, waking him up early in the morning to do his roadwork, locking the cupboards.

The two old men never did completely civilize their pupil, though they did better than Seneca –Nero became emperor and used Christians as human torches to light the streets of Rome. Duran listened, and because he listened his mind was filled with a century’s worth of ring knowledge.

In 1972 Duran indecently assaulted lightweight champion Ken Buchanan and snatched his crown. His reign of terror lasted six years and twelve title defenses.

“The only guy we had like him,” Brown told Pete Hamill, “is Henry Armstrong.” Arcel trained Armstrong after Ross retired and understood the intricacies of explosive boxing. Both trainers knew the value of intelligence in the ring. “Boxing,” said Arcel whenever the subject came up, “is brain over brawn…if you can’t think, you’re just another bum in the park.” Duran was not only “one of the most vicious fighters we’ve ever had,” said Brown, he was “one of the smartest.”

George Herbert once said that “a great ship asks deep water.” Roberto Duran didn’t ask, he invaded the welterweight division when it was as deep as it ever was. Waiting for him were two bangers in Pipino Cuevas and Thomas Hearns, defensive specialist Wilfred Benitez, boxer Carlos Palomino, and the smiling celebrity who lorded over them all –the boxer-puncher Ray Leonard.

MALICE
By the end of 1979 a clash between Leonard and Duran was almost certain. Duran had already retired former welterweight champion Palomino in a dominant performance, while Leonard stopped Benitez and took his title. They fought separately on the Larry Holmes-Ernie Shavers undercard and Leonard’s trainer Angelo Dundee watched the Duran bout very carefully. “Duran is thought of as a rough guy, but he’s not rough,” he observed, “he’s smart and slick.”

Arcel, 81 and Brown, 73 were watching Leonard as well, though they were very familiar with his style and how to beat it. They had already trained about thirty world champions between them, while the fifty-eight year old Dundee had nine on his resume. In fact, Dundee’s novitiate was at Stillman’s gym where he handed towels to the two masters he now matched wits with.

The posturing began soon enough. At Gleason’s gym, Leonard was watching Duran skip rope when Duran spotted him and began lashing the rope with uncanny speed –while squatting. At a press conference at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City, Leonard was cuffed by Duran, who claimed that Leonard put his hand near his face. Two days before the fight, both men were at an indoor mall in Montreal and Duran learned just enough English to yell “two more days! Two more days!” Leonard blew a kiss and Duran charged at him and had to be restrained.

Duran was getting mean, but it was Leonard who had every physical advantage in his favor. He was younger, faster, taller, and bigger. “I’m not Ali,” he insisted to the pundits, “Sure, maybe at the start I was trying to do his shuffle or his rope-a-dope, but not now.” In his last two outings, Duran looked pudgy as he struggled against two comparative novices before stopping them. The previous three welterweights he faced went the full ten rounds. Never before had three opponents in a row gone the distance with him and there was chatter about not only his power at 147 lbs. but his motivation. Duran himself admitted that he was not always committed to training and his trainers did too, though a warning was attached: “When you’re fighting smear cases and you’re the best fighter around, it’s hard to be interested, but now he’s inspired and when he’s inspired, he’s relentless,” Arcel said, “Leonard can’t beat this guy.”

The odds makers disagreed. Duran was a 9-5 underdog.

Leonard was confident enough (and good enough) to ask permission from an aging Sugar Ray Robinson to borrow “Sugar.” But he couldn’t have anticipated how many lumps he’d get from a man who had more in common with fighters from Robinson’s era than he ever would. As Leonard made his way toward the ring on June 20th 1980, Roberto Duran shadow boxed his own demons in the red corner. Both were in the best condition of their lives, but one of them exuded almost preternatural malevolence.

Arcel had already promised that we’d witness “the darndest fight” we’ve “ever seen” –and we did.

Duran had promised to use “old tricks” against Leonard. Old tricks. Freddie Brown’s fingerprints were all over the Duran-Leonard fight. He trained Duran at Grossinger’s Resort in the Catskills, where he worked with Rocky Marciano in the fifties and Joey Archer in the sixties. Brown had more tricks than a cathouse, such as how to hold an opponent in the crook of the arm to stop incoming shots and create the perception that the opponent was doing nothing. Then there was the “Fitzsimmons shift.” Dundee himself might never have heard of it, but he saw it alright: “…if [Duran] missed you with an overhand right,” he observed, “he’d turn southpaw and come back with a left hook to the body.” Duran can be seen executing this against Leonard in the fifth, seventh, and eighth rounds. Bob Fitzsimmons invented it and used it to implode heavyweight champion Gentleman Jim Corbett in 1897. It’s a peach of a move; and it’s older than Ray Arcel himself.

Stone Hands controlled the action in this career-defining bout, but make no mistake, his savvy was no less a deciding factor than his savagery; and the Sugar Man pushed him almost beyond his limits. The crowd was his. Every now and then a thin and solitary Nicaraguan with a mustache could be seen standing up from his seat and waving a little Panamanian flag. It was Alexis Arguello, another fan of the great Duran.

MYTHS
Duran’s strategy was drilled into him. He was instructed to be elusive against the jab, close the distance, crowd Leonard, and hammer the body. Leonard’s aggressive strategy was not expected. It made things more not less difficult to cope with for precisely the reasons that Dundee had alluded to –good little guys don’t beat good big guys. “In this fight, Duran’s not the puncher,” he added, “my guy is.” Their respective knockout percentages over their previous five fights confirmed this: Duran’s was 40%, Leonard’s was 100%. Leonard stated that he planned on “standing and fighting more than expected.” “They all think I’m going to run. I’m not,” he said to New York Magazine, “I’m not changing my style at all… he’ll be beaten to the punch…those are the facts,” he continued, “What’s going to beat Roberto Duran is Sugar Ray Leonard.”

Dundee substantiated this in his autobiography. Leonard’s strategy became certain from the moment that he watched the films and deconstructed Duran’s style. Duran, he said, was a “heel-to-toe guy. He takes two steps to get to you. So the idea was not to give him those two steps, not to move too far away because the more distance you gave him, the more effective he was. What you can’t do in the face of Duran’s aggression was run from it, because then he picks up momentum. My guy wasn’t going to run from him.”

So there you have it.

Leonard’s strategy in Montreal was deliberate, and sound. After the fight, Dundee and Leonard revised history and a willing press has gone along with it ever since. We’ve been spoon-fed a fable that has long since crystallized into orthodox boxing lore. It is the archetypal image of the Latin bully who “tricked” the All-American Hero into an alley fight, and it sprang from the idea that Leonard “did not fight his fight” because Duran challenged his masculinity. The problem is that it is at complete odds with statements made by Leonard and Dundee about Leonard’s clear physical advantages and the strategy that would be formed around those advantages. It contradicts Dundee’s earlier statements about Duran’s high level of skill and it contradicts statements that both had made immediately after the bout –before they had time to think about posterity: “You’ve got to give credit to Duran,” Dundee told journalists, “he makes you fight his fight.” When asked why he fought Duran’s fight, Leonard said he had “no alternative.”

Since then, Leonard’s loss to Duran has been cleverly spun, re-packaged, and sold at a reduced price. It’s time to find our receipt and exchange a fable for the facts. And the facts begin with this: when both fighters were at their best, Duran was better.

MEMENTO MORI
Duran’s record now stood at 72-1 (56). As he simmered down in the aftermath, the magnitude of what had just happened set in. He knew that Leonard was great. At the post-fight press conference he was asked if Ray Leonard was the toughest opponent he ever faced. Duran, his face scuffed and swollen, hesitated and thought for a moment. “Si,” he softly said, “…si.”

And then something changed. Whatever it was that raged inside Roberto Duran –a legion of devils, his hatred of Leonard, the memory of a child begging on the streets of Chorrillo– faded from that moment.

He became more sedate. After thirteen years of pasion violenta and after a victory that is almost without equal in the annals of boxing history, he fell like all who forget that they are mortal; and his humiliation would be so complete that it would obscure everything else.

Old embers would flare up only sporadically after the fateful year of 1980. Three times more he would remind the world of his greatness against men that no lightweight in his right mind would ever face. By then his trainers had walked away and soon retired for keeps. They joined us and watched a melting legend fight youngsters. As the curtain slowly dropped on a career that would span over thirty years, there was little left that recalled what he was; just some old tricks in an arsenal ransacked by age and an unbecoming appetite.

But what he was should not be eclipsed.

It should be remembered.

When the splendor that was Sugar Ray Leonard had the whole sports world squinting, Freddie Brown and Ray Arcel applied that old school method in the shadow of Stillman’s gym. They brought the Panamanian to a peak of human performance so perfect in its blend of science and ferocity that it would never be approached again –by Duran or anyone else.

Fifteen rounds unveiled a god of war.

After the final bell, a jubilant Duran leaps into the air. Before he lands he sees Leonard daring to raise his arms in victory and the coals of his eyes burn. He shoves and spits at his adversary, then stalks toward the ropes at ringside and grabs his crotch as he hurls Spanish epithets. Arcel tries to calm him down. Leonard’s brother Roger rushes him and is knocked flat with one shot. The announcer shouts “le nouveau--” into the microphone, and victorious, the raging champion is hoisted up above the crowd –above the world, still cursing the vanquished.

This is Duran. ***************

ROBERTO DURAN'S SCORECARD

-25 points-
Experience: 25

-15 points-
Ring Generalship: 14
Longevity: 14
Dominance: 13

-10 points-
Durability: 9
P/LO: 9
Intangibles: 5

TOTAL: 89

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The graphic enhancements are the work of Jason McMann of Plymouth, MA.

The author is indebted to Ronald K. Fried’s Corner Men and to Pete Hamill, Michael Katz and Dave Anderson for their expert coverage of the Duran-Leonard bout in 1980. Anderson’s In the Corner, Christian Giudice’s biography Hands of Stone and George Kimball’s outstanding Four Kings were also valuable resources.

Springs Toledo can be contacted at [email protected].
A fine article but Duran's drive first deserted him in the Benitez fight - that's when he began boxing more. He essentially boxed Davey Moore to a standstill.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 05:14
by bennie
Hey, Hammer, were you there when Bruce Curry tried to shoot Jesse Reid?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 08:51
by bennie
David Haye’s mandatory defence of his WBA heavyweight title against former two-time champion John Ruiz looks set for Manchester’s MEN Arena on April 3.
Haye, a former outstanding cruiserweight, won the heavyweight title in Germany just two months ago – and only a year after moving up - by outscoring Russian monster Nikolai Valuev. Haye proved too quick and slick for the man dubbed “The Beast from the East” (along with a hundred other tags) but it was a tepid affair, with Haye, conscious of an early injured right hand and Valuev’s vast size and weight (or worse, his own questionable stamina), only opening up in the last round when he staggered the 7ft 2ins giant with a left hook.
For the neutrals and for those willing Haye on, it was too little, too late, which is why we want Haye to really go for it this time against American veteran Ruiz, a 38-year-old spoiler who needs to be blown away before he makes Haye look bad. Ruiz goes by the bizarre tag of “The Quiet Man”, which triggers visions of the longest fight scene in Hollywood history between John Wayne and Victor McLaglen in the rolling Irish countryside, but believe me, Ruiz would only indulge in similar rumbustious, drawn-out scenes if plenty of “clinches” were choreographed into them.
Never great to watch, call him “a stinker”, Ruiz first won the WBA title (with Haye still an amateur) when he outscored a fading Evander Holyfield back in 2000, a man he would ultimately maul with three times (losing, winning and then drawing). Ruiz, the first man of Puerto Rican descent to ever hold a ‘world’ heavyweight belt, lost it to Florida hot-shot Roy Jones Jnr on an upset decision in 2003. Jones was moving all the way up from light-heavyweight and proved too quick and smart, shades of Haye-Valuev. Frankly, the fight was lost at the weigh-in when Ruiz turned up in puple-coloured attire more suited to Quentin Crisp than a fighter; then came his performance, his non-performance.
Mentally, Ruiz looked a beaten fighter long before the first bell, and nice-guy Haye has proved surprisingly outstanding in the inevitable trash-talk that pervade the pre-fight scene these days. It is all baloney, of course, but Ruiz fights like he is unsure of himself and history tells us he is unsure of himself. Haye will prey on that. Ruiz survived two knockdowns to barely outpoint the equally flaky Andrew Golota in 2004 in his second spell as WBA champ (after Jones had dropped back down to light-heav). Golota is a man who simply cannot handle the pressure of a big fight, so it shows you what he thought of the fight with Ruiz – nothing.
Ruiz continued to live on his luck when he was outpointed by the chubby (if clever) James Toney for the title in 2005 but remained champ when Toney subsequently tested positive for steroids (Ruiz, for sedation). He finally lost it to that man Valuev, who looked slower than a snowman against Haye, and then lost a second time to him in an attempt to win it back. Both Valuev fights were sufficiently close, if not sufficiently exciting, to warrant Ruiz’s mandatory status in one of the weakest heavyweight boxing eras ever.
Thankfully, Haye adds real excitment to the era, real class. He is quick, heavy handed, charismatic, fit and willing - he wants to fight, which is something rarely said about the challenger, a pro since 1992. The much younger Haye needs to jump on him, deny him the usual chance to jab, clinch and frustrate. It is not as though the occasionally fragile Londoner has to worry about anything coming back this time. Ruiz, who has fought six times in Britain before (all typically forgettable wins), is no banger.
Haye smashes the light-hitting, awkward, all-out-of-luck Ruiz inside four rounds.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 09:49
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:David Haye’s mandatory defence of his WBA heavyweight title against former two-time champion John Ruiz looks set for Manchester’s MEN Arena on April 3.
Haye, a former outstanding cruiserweight, won the heavyweight title in Germany just two months ago – and only a year after moving up - by outscoring Russian monster Nikolai Valuev. Haye proved too quick and slick for the man dubbed “The Beast from the East” (along with a hundred other tags) but it was a tepid affair, with Haye, conscious of an early injured right hand and Valuev’s vast size and weight (or worse, his own questionable stamina), only opening up in the last round when he staggered the 7ft 2ins giant with a left hook.
For the neutrals and for those willing Haye on, it was too little, too late, which is why we want Haye to really go for it this time against American veteran Ruiz, a 38-year-old spoiler who needs to be blown away before he makes Haye look bad. Ruiz goes by the bizarre tag of “The Quiet Man”, which triggers visions of the longest fight scene in Hollywood history between John Wayne and Victor McLaglen in the rolling Irish countryside, but believe me, Ruiz would only indulge in similar rumbustious, drawn-out scenes if plenty of “clinches” were choreographed into them.
Never great to watch, call him “a stinker”, Ruiz first won the WBA title (with Haye still an amateur) when he outscored a fading Evander Holyfield back in 2000, a man he would ultimately maul with three times (losing, winning and then drawing). Ruiz, the first man of Puerto Rican descent to ever hold a ‘world’ heavyweight belt, lost it to Florida hot-shot Roy Jones Jnr on an upset decision in 2003. Jones was moving all the way up from light-heavyweight and proved too quick and smart, shades of Haye-Valuev. Frankly, the fight was lost at the weigh-in when Ruiz turned up in puple-coloured attire more suited to Quentin Crisp than a fighter; then came his performance, his non-performance.
Mentally, Ruiz looked a beaten fighter long before the first bell, and nice-guy Haye has proved surprisingly outstanding in the inevitable trash-talk that pervade the pre-fight scene these days. It is all baloney, of course, but Ruiz fights like he is unsure of himself and history tells us he is unsure of himself. Haye will prey on that. Ruiz survived two knockdowns to barely outpoint the equally flaky Andrew Golota in 2004 in his second spell as WBA champ (after Jones had dropped back down to light-heav). Golota is a man who simply cannot handle the pressure of a big fight, so it shows you what he thought of the fight with Ruiz – nothing.
Ruiz continued to live on his luck when he was outpointed by the chubby (if clever) James Toney for the title in 2005 but remained champ when Toney subsequently tested positive for steroids (Ruiz, for sedation). He finally lost it to that man Valuev, who looked slower than a snowman against Haye, and then lost a second time to him in an attempt to win it back. Both Valuev fights were sufficiently close, if not sufficiently exciting, to warrant Ruiz’s mandatory status in one of the weakest heavyweight boxing eras ever.
Thankfully, Haye adds real excitment to the era, real class. He is quick, heavy handed, charismatic, fit and willing - he wants to fight, which is something rarely said about the challenger, a pro since 1992. The much younger Haye needs to jump on him, deny him the usual chance to jab, clinch and frustrate. It is not as though the occasionally fragile Londoner has to worry about anything coming back this time. Ruiz, who has fought six times in Britain before (all typically forgettable wins), is no banger.
Haye smashes the light-hitting, awkward, all-out-of-luck Ruiz inside four rounds.
Good post Bennie...

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 09:50
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:
Well, I suppose Smith put on some good shows and paid the fighters well - very well. :lol:
He did, with some bank's money.... :lol: :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 10:28
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:Rubin "Hurricane" Carter vs. Emile Griffith . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgDxA78C ... re=related
I remember seeing this fight live on tv back in the day...

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 11:22
by dagosd2000
Speaking of Ray Arcel.I remember reading an interview with Lou Nova. It was around twenty years ago. Nova said the reason he lost to Joe Louis was that his trainer,Ray Arcel,had never been a fighter and didn't know what he was doing. I guess it had nothing to do with Louis's left hook. :lol: :box:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 11:30
by dagosd2000
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Rubin "Hurricane" Carter vs. Emile Griffith . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgDxA78C ... re=related
I remember seeing this fight live on tv back in the day...
I remember that fight too. The Florentino Fernandez fight and Carter's KO of Griffith made a lot of people believe Carter was a smaller Sonny Liston. Turned out to be a disappointment. BTW. After Griffith was stopped,he broke out into singing Merry Christmas in the locker room. It was around that time.I read his bio.Seemed like a very happy man. Took care of his family. Saw him twice at the WBHOF,but my take on seeing him the second time was that he became very surly. Maybe the effects of his career are turning him into a different direction. I'm at work now. Have a nice pic of Emile sitting with Maria. Will post later. Stay dry Randy,Rick,and Frank. :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 11:33
by THEHAMMER321
[quote="bennie"]Hey, Hammer, were you there when Bruce Curry tried to shoot Jesse Reid?[/quote I was not there that day but I was there at the golden gloves gym during that time period I used to talk to Bruce and Jesse we would talk about upcoming fights and fighters at the time also trainer Miguel Diaz and Ron Lyle who had retired a year or so before I met him but getting back to bruce he was mad that Jesse told him he would be better off retiring after he just lost his title to Billy Costello

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 11:41
by raylawpc
kikibalt wrote:You guys remember Dick Mastro's early '80s monthly publication?

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I remember the Boxing Record. I think he started publishing it about 1972 or 1973. O'Grady used to get it and I'd read it at O'Grady's office. Another great publication in the 1970s came out of New York - Flash Gordon's "Tonight's Boxing Program." Did any of you California guys get that one? It was maybe the best boxing publication in the 1970s, although it definitely had a East Coast slant.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 11:45
by bennie
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:You guys remember Dick Mastro's early '80s monthly publication?

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I remember the Boxing Record. I think he started publishing it about 1972 or 1973. O'Grady used to get it and I'd read it at O'Grady's office. Another great publication in the 1970s came out of New York - Flash Gordon's "Tonight's Boxing Program." Did any of you California guys get that one? It was maybe the best boxing publication in the 1970s, although it definitely had a East Coast slant.
O'Grady would love that cover, Ray?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 11:48
by bennie
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
bennie wrote:Hey, Hammer, were you there when Bruce Curry tried to shoot Jesse Reid?[/quote I was not there that day but I was there at the golden gloves gym during that time period I used to talk to Bruce and Jesse we would talk about upcoming fights and fighters at the time also trainer Miguel Diaz and Ron Lyle who had retired a year or so before I met him but getting back to bruce he was mad that Jesse told him he would be better off retiring after he just lost his title to Billy Costello
Cheers, Hammer. Bruce was too brave for his own good and just couldn't stand the thought of life minus boxing.

PS: Imagine what Ron Lyle would do today.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 12:00
by THEHAMMER321
bennie wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
bennie wrote:Hey, Hammer, were you there when Bruce Curry tried to shoot Jesse Reid?[/quote I was not there that day but I was there at the golden gloves gym during that time period I used to talk to Bruce and Jesse we would talk about upcoming fights and fighters at the time also trainer Miguel Diaz and Ron Lyle who had retired a year or so before I met him but getting back to bruce he was mad that Jesse told him he would be better off retiring after he just lost his title to Billy Costello
Cheers, Hammer. Bruce was too brave for his own good and just couldn't stand the thought of life minus boxing.

PS: Imagine what Ron Lyle would do today.
Remember with Ron he didn't turn pro until he was 30 as he was locked up for years he would have done better even back then if he would have turned pro at 20 years old :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 12:40
by raylawpc
bennie wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:You guys remember Dick Mastro's early '80s monthly publication?

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I remember the Boxing Record. I think he started publishing it about 1972 or 1973. O'Grady used to get it and I'd read it at O'Grady's office. Another great publication in the 1970s came out of New York - Flash Gordon's "Tonight's Boxing Program." Did any of you California guys get that one? It was maybe the best boxing publication in the 1970s, although it definitely had a East Coast slant.
O'Grady would love that cover, Ray?
Indeed. But as far as Pat was concerned, any picture would have been okay. He used to say "All publicity is good pubilicity." Pat never met Tiger Woods.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 12:44
by THEHAMMER321
Frank still raining here,can't remember the last time it rained this many days in a row,you guys still raining over there

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 12:53
by kikibalt
THEHAMMER321 wrote:Frank still raining here,can't remember the last time it rained this many days in a row,you guys still raining over there
Its still raining Hammer, yes, its being a long time since it rained like this, its not suppose to rain in "Sunny SoCal" you know, oh well, in this nice winter weather a bowl of menudo con pata will go down just fine... :TU: I'm on my way to "La Indiana" restaurant in Ol' Town La Puente.... :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 13:16
by raylawpc
bennie wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
bennie wrote:Hey, Hammer, were you there when Bruce Curry tried to shoot Jesse Reid?[/quote I was not there that day but I was there at the golden gloves gym during that time period I used to talk to Bruce and Jesse we would talk about upcoming fights and fighters at the time also trainer Miguel Diaz and Ron Lyle who had retired a year or so before I met him but getting back to bruce he was mad that Jesse told him he would be better off retiring after he just lost his title to Billy Costello
Cheers, Hammer. Bruce was too brave for his own good and just couldn't stand the thought of life minus boxing.

PS: Imagine what Ron Lyle would do today.
Ron Lyle . . . the only guy I ever wanted Ali to beat.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 22 Jan 2010, 14:11
by Rick Farris
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
bennie wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
Cheers, Hammer. Bruce was too brave for his own good and just couldn't stand the thought of life minus boxing.

PS: Imagine what Ron Lyle would do today.
Remember with Ron he didn't turn pro until he was 30 as he was locked up for years he would have done better even back then if he would have turned pro at 20 years old :TU:

Quarry settles the score for Flores stable . . .

In 1970, I was competeing in the National Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions which was held that year at the Las Vegas Convention Center. My team mate and friend, Kit Boursse', was matched with a big heavyweight from Colorado named Ron Lyle. Kit was doing well in the tournament until he ran into Lyle. Lyle would stop Kit in the third round, the only time he was ever stopped in his career. Lyle was being touted as the "next Sonny Liston".

A few years later, Lyle would have a big unbeaten streak and was pretty confident. He then signed to fight another Flores' heavyweight, who just happened to be Kit Boursse's stablemate, Jerry Quarry. I remember that Kit Boursse' and I watched this fight together, Jerry Quarry got revenge for Kit, easily out boxing Lyle, made him look like an amateur. I remember Kit said nothing, but I still remember the smile on his face when he saw Jerry's hand raised. One of Johnny Flores' heavyweights failed against Ron Lyle in the Golden Gloves, but for the big money Jerry Quarry came thru. I just loved when Jerry would do that.


-Rick Farris