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Yeh to be honest I was loving Carl's post-fight interview until he mentioned the C-word. Then I was like, why Carl, why did you have to mention Calzaghe yet again in your finest hour so far. Leave it alone and move on, he'll start to sound like Witter chasing Hatton, it doesn;t do him any favours.

sweetscience wrote: to have a better record he would have to STOP kessler & BHOP cause just beating the same two people joe has already beaten is less of an achievement than what JC did as they were 1)undefeated in Kessler 2) regeining LH champ

after beating them 2 he would then have to beat Dawson to go above him

i honestly cant see an argument in wat ive wrote, but im willing to listen & be convinced

If Froch convincingly beat any three of the following in his next fights I would rate him above Calzaghe:

Hopkins
Bute
Kessler
Dawson
Pavlik

Fotch's 'promotional' team really are the biggest jokers out there, they are beyond dreadful.

I am actually convinced they are in cahoots with Enzo Calzaghe

In the week following a great win over a top yank in his own backyard, Frotch's team have managed to get Joe Calzaghe's face plastered all over the press far more that Carls bearded mug.

They have elevated Calzaghe akin to Sugar Rey Leonard coming back against Haggler and have positioned Frotch just a crumb above Peter McNeely against Tyson.


wretched souls


Hennessy Promotions, you are a disgrace

everyone involved should be lined up against a wall and shot

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Fotch's 'promotional' team really are the biggest jokers out there, they are beyond dreadful.

I am actually convinced they are in cahoots with Enzo Calzaghe

In the week following a great win over a top yank in his own backyard, Frotch's team have managed to get Joe Calzaghe's face plastered all over the press far more that Carls bearded mug.

They have elevated Calzaghe akin to Sugar Rey Leonard coming back against Haggler and have positioned Frotch just a crumb above Peter McNeely against Tyson.


wretched souls


Hennessy Promotions, you are a disgrace

everyone involved should be lined up against a wall and shot

To be fair it sounds to me more like Froch is the man who obsesses over Calzaghe, can't always blame his promoters, much as I do have issues with them in other aspects of Froch's career management and their other fighters.

Then their bodies should be violated by bearded lepers

Then buried, dug up again and then burned, just to make sure


We don't want Zombified promotional teams walking about the place

I can understand why Froch mentions Calzaghe, why he wants to fight him. Calzaghe has been the golden boy of the UK boxing media these last few years (in the mainstream, at least), and he's a fighter the general public not only know, but really rate. So, a win over him is beyond massive for Froch.

Trouble is, all he's doing is keeping Calzaghe's name alongside his, and as Calzaghe clearly isn't going to come back to fight Froch, he's just making it a little harder to write his own legacy. My advice would be to keep fighting good oppositio, and before long, the general public will forget about Joe, and be looking forward to Froch's next fight instead. Let the Calzaghe thing drop, keep knocking people out, and he's laughing. He's not in the position Witter was in, he can draw a crowd, and if he keeps winning, that crowd is only going to get bigger.

Hennessy Promotions, you are a bunch of cnuts



and thats swearing

Calzaghe was the best at Super-middleweight for years no one gave him a chance in America against Jeff Lacey, then after he gives him a boxing lesson (which should have been stopped in round 10) all of a sudden Lacey's a chump and the win doesnt deserve credit. So then he fights Kessler also undefeated wins by UD. Then he goes up to light-heavy to fight the best in that division Bernard Hopkins and wins that fight (if B-Hop didnt take those few minutes break JC would have stopped him Hopkins all he did in the second half of the fight was grab a punch whilst he was holding JC's right arm)

Finally Calzaghe wanted to go out and finish fighting a legend at maddison square garden yes Roy Jones wasnt his best but he was younger than Hopkins (see what he did to Pavlik) the right hand uppercut that he landed on Calzaghe would have finished most fighters, but Calzaghe boxed him out of the fight which should have been stopped.

Chad dawson is a nothing fighter he's beaten Tarver who got taught a lesson by Hopkins.

Froch will fight Bute if he's smart as Bute is overated and shouldnt be champion after a being given a 30 second 8 count.

Froch needs to avoid Kessler because he's far better than anyone at super-middle until sturm or abraham beat up Pavlik and move up then it will be interesting.

teddy007 wrote:Calzaghe has fought 1 worldcalss fighter in their prime and that was Kessler. Calzaghe vs Froch would a massive fight and highly competitive.

are you saying that Lacy wasn't a world rated fighter when Calzaghe got him? Am sorry but they call that revisionism.
Okay Calzaghe exposed him, but 50% of Brit fight fans if not more (though not me I'm pleased to say) were saying Lacy would clean Joe's clock.

Sure I rate Froch , even though he was crap for 6 rounds against Taylor, but Calzaghe would beat him. I think Joe at 40 would still beat Froch.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

teddy007 wrote:Calzaghe has fought 1 worldcalss fighter in their prime and that was Kessler. Calzaghe vs Froch would a massive fight and highly competitive.

are you saying that Lacy wasn't a world rated fighter when Calzaghe got him? Am sorry but they call that revisionism.
Okay Calzaghe exposed him, but 50% of Brit fight fans if not more (though not me I'm pleased to say) were saying Lacy would clean Joe's clock.

Sure I rate Froch , even though he was crap for 6 rounds against Taylor, but Calzaghe would beat him. I think Joe at 40 would still beat Froch.

Froch also said Lacy would knock out Calzaghe

nobby_nobbins wrote:

sweetscience wrote: to have a better record he would have to STOP kessler & BHOP cause just beating the same two people joe has already beaten is less of an achievement than what JC did as they were 1)undefeated in Kessler 2) regeining LH champ

after beating them 2 he would then have to beat Dawson to go above him

i honestly cant see an argument in wat ive wrote, but im willing to listen & be convinced

If Froch convincingly beat any three of the following in his next fights I would rate him above Calzaghe:

Hopkins JC has already beat
Bute - Unproven
Kessler - JC has alreadybeat
Dawson - Good Fight
Pavlik - BHOP who JC has already beat has beat him

for the above reasons Froch cannot be classed above JC for only beating 3 of them, unless he stops them all in a good fashion

This whole Froch/Calzaghe debate does my head in. It is very frustrating to hear another verbal counter punch from Joe Calzaghe in which he outright refuses to give Carl some degree of credit.

Perhaps before Froch won the world title, Calzaghe could have rightfully dismissed him as a nuisance from the domestic ranks. But now, like it or lump it, Froch does have credibility as a world-class champion and deserves massive respect for smashing through the gulf in rank that seperated him from "The Pride of Wales".

My feelings on Froch's obsession with Joe not withstanding, it seems a bit selfish of JC to deprive Froch of any praise for his US debut if he has no intention of answering the challenge.
What makes it worse is that he knows exactly how Froch feels because just over ten years ago, he was doing precisely the same thing to Steve Collins.

I'm not a hater and to be honest if the pair fought, I would be rooting for JC *who I believe would be too quick and active* but wouldn't it have been nice of him (and better for the image of British boxing) to reject Froch's invitation with a little more complementary grace? I'm starting to wonder if some of Froch's resentment towards JC doesn't stem from feeling constantly belittled by his nemisis?

Are Hennessey THAT bad ?

Agree that we don't want zombiefied promotional outfits running around the place so they would need to be burnt, but is all the other stuff really deserved ?

You have to say Hennessy are good for taking Froch to a win over Taylor.

However, KG has a point - it has elevated Calzaghe as the legend he isn't. Now there are more Calzaghe articles in the papers than Froch articles for instance.

But, I get the feeling that they genuinely want to make the fight. They know they won't get it, so they must drop it.

Back to that annoying debate. It is only natural for us to compare Froch and Calzaghe. I'm sure ppl wanted to see what Benn and Eubank could do to each other and I'm sure both guys split the fans down the middle.

For Froch to have a better record than Joe? It would do it for me if he defended vs fresh up and comers (good choice, Ward, Dirrell, Green and a DK fighter whose name I have forgotten). And if he unified at least once (Bute) AND perhaps took on current middleweight champ Pavlik. Basically, if he keeps testing himself and keeps winning, his record will be as good.

Froch should just concentrate on his career.his won the wbc title and just beat a big name in the first defense and has plenty of options.JC has retired, and I also think its a good thing for Froch.Can you imagine froch on saturday night in against the calaghe that beat lacy or Kessler. Froch would get the hiding the lifetime.I also think, Enzo speaks the truth. Froch consistently slags calzaghe off, and then the calzaghe's defend themselves and they are seen to be out of order.Not sure how that works.Trust me, Froch has lucked in by not fighting Joe Calzaghe.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Fotch's 'promotional' team really are the biggest jokers out there, they are beyond dreadful.

I am actually convinced they are in cahoots with Enzo Calzaghe

In the week following a great win over a top yank in his own backyard, Frotch's team have managed to get Joe Calzaghe's face plastered all over the press far more that Carls bearded mug.

They have elevated Calzaghe akin to Sugar Rey Leonard coming back against Haggler and have positioned Frotch just a crumb above Peter McNeely against Tyson.


wretched souls


Hennessy Promotions, you are a disgrace

everyone involved should be lined up against a wall and shot

Two words of advice.

1 Chill out.
2 Learn to spell the names of the fighters you are taking about.

big lennox wrote:Froch should just concentrate on his career.his won the wbc title and just beat a big name in the first defense and has plenty of options.JC has retired, and I also think its a good thing for Froch.Can you imagine froch on saturday night in against the calaghe that beat lacy or Kessler. Froch would get the hiding the lifetime.I also think, Enzo speaks the truth. Froch consistently slags calzaghe off, and then the calzaghe's defend themselves and they are seen to be out of order.Not sure how that works.Trust me, Froch has lucked in by not fighting Joe Calzaghe.

Calzaghe old, Froch coming to his prime
Calzaghe shown his best in 06 and 07, Froch will show his best soon
Calzaghe semi contact cuffer, Froch full contact power puncher
Calzaghe wants(wanted) easiest fights, Froch goes for the hardest
Calzaghe has to have in built advantages, Froch will take the risk
Calzaghe pulls out of numerous shows, Froch fights through injury

Joe might LOOK better, but it doesn't mean he is.

Froch would get him, even if it was come from behind.

Froch hasn't really slagged him off. He's asked for a fight.

Let's see if Joe wants to come back, for his promotional company at least. As a promoter, it always helps to have a big name headliner. if Joe wants to put big shows on, maybe he has to lace them gloves up again. if it came to this, who else would he fight, in the UK?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Fotch's 'promotional' team really are the biggest jokers out there, they are beyond dreadful.

I am actually convinced they are in cahoots with Enzo Calzaghe

In the week following a great win over a top yank in his own backyard, Frotch's team have managed to get Joe Calzaghe's face plastered all over the press far more that Carls bearded mug.

They have elevated Calzaghe akin to Sugar Rey Leonard coming back against Haggler and have positioned Frotch just a crumb above Peter McNeely against Tyson.


wretched souls


Hennessy Promotions, you are a disgrace

everyone involved should be lined up against a wall and shot

Two words of advice.

1 Chill out.
2 Learn to spell the names of the fighters you are taking about.

cutting remarks there.....


1 Get a sense of humour
2 Learn the difference between 'words' and 'statements'

Autobarn wrote:

big lennox wrote:Froch should just concentrate on his career.his won the wbc title and just beat a big name in the first defense and has plenty of options.JC has retired, and I also think its a good thing for Froch.Can you imagine froch on saturday night in against the calaghe that beat lacy or Kessler. Froch would get the hiding the lifetime.I also think, Enzo speaks the truth. Froch consistently slags calzaghe off, and then the calzaghe's defend themselves and they are seen to be out of order.Not sure how that works.Trust me, Froch has lucked in by not fighting Joe Calzaghe.

Calzaghe old, Froch coming to his prime
Calzaghe shown his best in 06 and 07, Froch will show his best soon
Calzaghe semi contact cuffer, Froch full contact power puncher
Calzaghe wants(wanted) easiest fights, Froch goes for the hardest
Calzaghe has to have in built advantages, Froch will take the risk
Calzaghe pulls out of numerous shows, Froch fights through injury

Joe might LOOK better, but it doesn't mean he is.

Froch would get him, even if it was come from behind.

Froch hasn't really slagged him off. He's asked for a fight.

Let's see if Joe wants to come back, for his promotional company at least. As a promoter, it always helps to have a big name headliner. if Joe wants to put big shows on, maybe he has to lace them gloves up again. if it came to this, who else would he fight, in the UK?

Froch should concentrate on someone who is active and not a retired fighter.He should go for dawson/hopkins or kessler, the trouble is all three of them would beat him handsomly.He miles too easy to hit.

You say calzaghe is semi-contact but he would'nt fail to miss froch and a 1000 of those soon do some damage.I think the ref would stop the fight.

Terry D wrote:Someone did a bit of a rant on one thread, saying we should thank Joe for all the entertainment he has given us, that is a cast-iron reason why people should not take amphetamines when watching fights. Joe has been one of the most boring fighters in recent times. I kept hoping that his dad would jump in a la Rock Newman and provide us with some real fun.

When the most interesting thing about you is your cornerman's 'tache you really need to think about turning it in.

how about joe's tache vs manfredo

2 reasons to watch the fight

Autobarn wrote: Calzaghe shown his best in 06 and 07, Froch will show his best soon
Calzaghe semi contact cuffer, Froch full contact power puncher
Calzaghe wants(wanted) easiest fights, Froch goes for the hardest
Calzaghe has to have in built advantages, Froch will take the risk
Calzaghe pulls out of numerous shows, Froch fights through injury

Joe might LOOK better, but it doesn't mean he is.

Froch would get him, even if it was come from behind.

Froch hasn't really slagged him off. He's asked for a fight.

Most of that is just your opinion and like most of the tosh you post about Calzaghe or Froch, it is not very well considered.

Terry D wrote:Someone did a bit of a rant on one thread, saying we should thank Joe for all the entertainment he has given us, that is a cast-iron reason why people should not take amphetamines when watching fights. Joe has been one of the most boring fighters in recent times. I kept hoping that his dad would jump in a la Rock Newman and provide us with some real fun.

When the most interesting thing about you is your cornerman's 'tache you really need to think about turning it in.

What a nonsence bitter remark. Are you saying fights like Brewer, or Kessler, or Lacy were dull? Calzaghe was always a fighter who raised his level to the quality of the opponent, and while fights like Ashira (when he had to box with one hand) or Salem or Jiminez or Starie were dull and one-sided, he had some real barn-burners too and some really exciting fights. Woodhall, Eubank and even some of the lesser names were exciting.
Hatton has often fallen well short of being exciting (Maussa and Collazo were mostly ugly brawls, Urango was dull, so was Malignaggi and Lazcano to many, while going back over fights like Vilches doesn't do too well). Froch has been exciting in his last two, but look back over some of those Commonwealth title fights when he got frustrated after they failed to fall over.
Essentially it is a question of if you choose to look at a boxer's best night or his worst nights. If you choose to do the latter, be consistent.

Terry is very bitter. I heard he wanted a WBO title but the Pound Shop had run out.

Calzaghe would do to Froch for 12 rounds what Taylor did for 4.

Death by taps would be my prediction.